Volvo D4 - dpf, dmf scaremongering? - Wayne Dibbley

Fed up of trying to find a decent family petrol car on a 12k budget. Petrol used prices increasing, poor fuel consumption etc.

Love the V60, but OK if you want a ridiculous Polestar.

So I'm afraid I'm going back to diesel.

Does anyone know if I would have issues with a 3 year old V60 D4 with 50k on clock?

I keep my car for 10 years

Volvo D4 - dpf, dmf scaremongering? - craig-pd130

If you do get a used one with the D4 VEA engine (the new 4-cyl 2-litre), I would strongly recommend getting one with a full Volvo service history, this will help to ensure the various fixes (including the latest 'definitive' fix) for the EGR problem have been made. Also, the VEA is a brand new engine that MUST have a special low-viscosity oil etc (Castrol make it) - and a non-Volvo garage may not know this.

This way, Volvo is also more likely to look favourably on any EGR-related problems.

The rest of the car seems pretty robust. I had no problems with my V60 D4 apart from the EGR problem (which was 'fixed' 3 times by the dealer in 3 years).

The DPF implementation seems to be robust - my regular driving pattern is not good for DPFs but I never had a problem, warning light etc. Very few DPF problems reported on the Volvo forums.

Volvo D4 - dpf, dmf scaremongering? - Wayne Dibbley

Ahhh the dreaded EGR valve, had forgotten about that.

Thanks everyone for your extremely useful advice.

Volvo D4 - dpf, dmf scaremongering? - RobJP

You might be fine, you might have problems. It all depends on how it's previously been used and maintained, how you use it, how you maintain it.

In the case you mention, if it's had lots of motorway work, then that's a plus. Lots of town driving, stop/start work, that's a negative.

Your driving style, exactly the same applies. If you do low mileage, or urban driving, then it really isn't suitable. Sooner (rather than later), you WILL get problems.

If, on the other hand, you do plenty of motorway / dual carriageway trips, then you're far less likely to have those problems - or at least, they'll take a lot more mileage to occur.

Servicing is just as important. Get the oil and filter changed every year / 10k miles, whichever comes first. It MUST be the correct low-sulphur DPF suitable oil. Wrong oil or too long between services = more problems and bills.

Finally, fuel. Use the premium diesel fuels (Shell VPower, BP Momentum, etc), and you'll probably find EGR a lot less likely to carbon up and fail.

In short, nobody can give any guarantees on any particular used car and the lifespan and likely failure chances of the EGR and DPF. But you can greatly improve your chances of not having problems, or of those problems happening a lot later.

Sooner or later though, any DPF will get clogged up with ash and need PROPERLY cleaning (ceramex process, not some crap snake oil) or changing.

But that can happen as low as 2,000 miles (yes, two thousand miles) as one case I know of where an old man was using a diesel Corsa to drive a mile to the supermarket, then a mile back, 3 times a week), or it could take in excess of 100,000 miles.

Volvo D4 - dpf, dmf scaremongering? - oldroverboy.

www.dacia.co.uk/vehicles/new-logan-mcv/configurato...C

£11495, brand new raised ride height, petrol. 3 years warranty, 2 extra years make it £12Kish. Roomy, and not bad at all.

No dpf problems and this engine seems to have a good reputation.

Edited by oldroverboy. on 11/09/2017 at 15:58

Volvo D4 - dpf, dmf scaremongering? - badbusdriver

Not really sure why anyone would have a problem in finding a decent family car with a petrol engine for £12k?. Unless you have a very specific set of requirements in terms of body type, performance, brand?.

I have just spent 15mins on autotrader and found literally hundreds of what i would consider a decent family car!.

But hey ho, each to their own eh?!

Volvo D4 - dpf, dmf scaremongering? - Wayne Dibbley

Depends what you are looking for badbusdriver (and how fussy I guess!)

Mazda 6, Mondeo, Superb all just too long.

Leon (which I currently drive), golf, astra focus etc just too small!

I thought the Octavia would be perfect until I drove one but was disappointed by the strange ear discomfort I experienced.

Petrol SUVs seem to be juicy part from the Mazda cX5 but the price of the petrols goes up and up!

Volvo D4 - dpf, dmf scaremongering? - badbusdriver

Depends what you are looking for badbusdriver (and how fussy I guess!)

Mazda 6, Mondeo, Superb all just too long.

Leon (which I currently drive), golf, astra focus etc just too small!

I thought the Octavia would be perfect until I drove one but was disappointed by the strange ear discomfort I experienced.

Petrol SUVs seem to be juicy part from the Mazda cX5 but the price of the petrols goes up and up!

A mazda 6 is 24.2 cm longer than the V60, is that difference really big enough to make a car too long?. Also, if the problem with the leon and it's ilk is boot space, get the estate version. In the case of the leon, the added bonus there is that the estate is a more handsome and classy looking car (imo).

You mention SUV's, for your budget there are honda CR-V's, hyundai ix35's, kia sportage, suzuki vitara or S-cross, ssangyong tivoli (i noticed one with 498 miles for £11995).

By the way, we have a new honda jazz and my 2 sons are 16 and 19. The eldest is 5'11", and he is perfectly happy in the back.

Volvo D4 - dpf, dmf scaremongering? - Wayne Dibbley

Thanks again

Yes that's nearly a foot longer and can make a difference in some city parking situations.

CR-V, IX35, s cross and Sprtage all pug ugly. Vitara boot space same as my current leon.

Would never buy anything called a SSangyong.

Agree Leon ST is a lovely car but actually no bigger inside than my beloved Mk1.

Sorry can't quite see myself in a Jazz, although I know they are an excellent car.

Did I say I was fussy?

Volvo D4 - dpf, dmf scaremongering? - Avant

Wayne - be sure to have a read of Pinkpanther's current thread. He's jjust managed to get a new SEAT Toledo 1.0 petrol for £12k. A similar Skoda Rapid should cost about the same,

Edited by Avant on 12/09/2017 at 21:11

Volvo D4 - dpf, dmf scaremongering? - Wayne Dibbley

Will do thanks Avant

 

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