Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - KenMavor

Why are the general masses endeared by diesel cars? I do about 5-6000 miles a year and irregular journeys of about 15 miles there and back to work place three days a week. A diesel will just not cut it.

I would like a petrol engined car, an automatic, with a bit of pizzazz. There is just nothing out there on the forecourts. I am willing to spend £10kish and no-one is running up to me to take my cash. Been at 5/6 nationwide dealers - Skoda, VW, Ford, Peugeot, Mazda - they all searched their databases and came up with over 700 diesels that fitted the bill and about 10 petrols....a Skoda, a BMW 3 series estate, and I forget the other ones.

I need some help....some ideas....suspect I will have to go private....

Tried a Mazda 6 petrol auto (new and old model) and was frankly unimpressed. Have seen and heard horror stories on Mazda 6 DPF regens and failed DPFs.

Like the look of a Skoda petrol VRS but is the auto the same as VWs DSG?

The only car that seems to fit the bill is a Ford Mondeo, 2l ecoboost, powershift in something like a Titanium spec but they are like hen's teeth.

Faintly interested in a Jaguar XF but how big is that petrol engine at something like £500 a year in tax.

So suggestions please.

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - daveyjp
Apart from the auto and generally having a higher budget I also need a petrol. I would still only want a torque converter after having a DSG which was a dog.

Over the years I've looked at Merc C class 180 and 250 petrol, BMW GT 320 and 328i, but for your budget I suspect you will be into higher mileage or older stock, possibly not available at dealers.

Edited by daveyjp on 27/05/2017 at 20:39

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - badbusdriver

Firstly, the 'general masses' are endeared by diesel cars because the government told them they were better for the environment and offered low road tax to get everyone into them. It aint rocket science!.

I am not really sure what you mean by something with a bit of panache, flair, or indeed pizzazz, because my interpretation of those terms would be about as far away from a mondeo as its possible to get!. You also dont say what age or mileage of car you want, or how much road tax you are willing to pay. You mention the jag XF but a quick autotrader search of cars with up to 50k miles revealed none. Having a look for stuff relatively young and with the above mileage limit, the only thing grabbed my attention is the lexus is250 (£280 per annum road tax). £10k will get you into a 2011, poss 2012 model.

If you want a car with a big petrol engine but (relatively) low tax, you need to go back to cars 1st registered by 23/3/06, in which case the maximum rate is £305 per annum (£320 by instalments).

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - gordonbennet

Agree with Lexus suggestion, either IS250 or GS300, maybe a GS450 hybrid if you want serious performance in stealth looks and sound and don't mind a smallish boot.

Merc's C Class and BMW's 3 series..

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - Avant

Look on Cars for Sale on this site and put in BMW 3-series petrol auto up to £11,000. I just have and there are plenty. The auto is a torque converter and should be more reliable than the dual-clutch variety.

That said, the Octavia vRS has a wet-clutch DSG which has a better reputation than the dry-clutch version fitted to smaller VW Group cars.

But you're right - there are more diesels about in your price range as in the years when these cars were new, we were all being encouraged to buy diesels, especially with larger cars.

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - Big John

Like the look of a Skoda petrol VRS but is the auto the same as VWs DSG?

It's the seven speed DSG gearbox that's proved rather unreliable

The six speed box on the more powerful engines such as the VRS are much better

I now drive a petrol car again albeit a manual 1.4tsi Skoda

Edited by Big John on 28/05/2017 at 01:59

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - Manatee

I don't know which gearbox is fitted in a "SKoda VRS" but there have been wet multiplate clutch 7 speed DSGs for some time - my daughters 3.0TDI A6 has one.

The 7 speed dry single plate DSG is designated the DQ200, should the OP wish to avoid it. Our Roomster has one, it works well enough but the Roomster 1.2TSI 105 only has 175Nm torque (the DQ200 handles up to 25Nm so is not fitted to the more powerful cars in the range)

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I'd probably be aiming for an Accord 2.0. £7k gets a good car with sensible mileage and it'll probably outlast you. Not fast but comfortable and drives very well. The DTEC diesels will have a DPF which is unsuitable for your usage which is a shame because it's a good combination with an auto.

Lexus IS250 is another good option but watch out, some of them creep into the £500 tax braket. They reduced the emissions on later cars to slip in down to a more acceptable level. Very robust again and well made. A bit thirsty though.

The Mondeo uses an automated manual box similar to VW's DSG and is prone to problems as it ages. It's a nice thing to drive and great value used but if you plan on keeping it longterm it's likely you'll be hit with a big bill at some point same as anything using a DSG box. Great things new and up to 5-7yrs but will it still be ok at ten years and 100k? Dealers are terrified of them because they're so expensive to fix when they go wrong and price it in when bidding on them.

Edited by SLO76 on 28/05/2017 at 09:51

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - Engineer Andy

What do mean by 'panache'? Nice looking, or nice to drive (handling and/or fast) or a genuine 'prestige' make with a plush interior with lots of goodies?

Unfortunately ten grand doesn't get you a very new car if you want all of the above - the Lexus IS250 is a comfortable barge, but hardly a driver's car and will be, dependent upon mileage, somewhere around the 4-7 yo mark for the lower end (but still nicely kitted out) 250 models, and may have to accept getting the mk2 or a higher mileage mk3.

I'd mostly agree about the lack of pace of the Mazda petrol autos, though the rare CX-3 2.0 auto is about 0.3 - 0.5 sec quicker to 60 at 9.9 sec (I test drove one a few months ago and liked it, though its not really quick) than the 3 and 6, handles very well and rides fine if you don't go for the Sport model (the SE-L Nav is fine). Unfortunately it is still relatively new so (even if you could fine one - these are VERY rare) they are not cheap (I suspect an early model would still be around the £14k mark), and, from what you're saying, the interior may not be quite as plush as you want.

You may find you'll have to make a big compromise on one of my initial car 'features' to fit your budget, and reliability may not be that great either unless its Japanese and proven (bills, not dealer stamps in a book) to be well looked after. All the specific cars you mentioned were larger ones - are you specifically looking for a 'barge'? As others have said, not too many torque converter autos about (in your price range) that fit the bill in terms of performance or luxury appearance, and I certainly wouldn't buy any double clutch auto on a second hand car, let alone one that may be over 5 years old - its a huge bill waiting to happen.

I, when I was looking for a quicker car than my Mazda3 mk1 1.6 petrol (manual) but in an auto form and still reliable, found it almost an impossible task - I wasn't looking for really high end luxury, size or pace, just something around the 9 sec to 60 mark. The CX-3 wasn't too bad on the pace front, a little slower than I would've liked (but still 1.5 sec faster than my car to 60), but nothing else on the market came close to meeting my requirements (including styling).

I decided not not buy (the CX-3s are way over-priced anyway IMO) and keep my 11yo car going for now. You may wish to as well until something new comes along or becomes more affordable as a second-hand car (save a bit more for another year or two). Nothing like buying a car you don't really want and having to put up with it for a few years to justify the expense of buying it...

Best of luck - you're gonna need it!

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - KenMavor

Just how bad is the DSG gearbox?

LIke the look of a Skoda VRS petrol auto but that three letter swear word keeps coming up - DSG.

Like the idea of the Suzuki but maybe just a bit too outside the box but will go look at it.

Honda CRV and Accord both on the hit list.

Maybe I just bite the bullet and go manual....

Might just keep looking for the Mondeo.....

I only do 5/6000 miles a year and service my own cars (brake pads and discs, brake fluid, all filters, gearbox fluids, spark plugs etc) but am happy tp get essential things done at the start of owning a car..ie changing powershift fluid etc. and doing that on a regular basis.

I would hope that buying a car around the 50-70000 mile mark and looking after it would give another 70000 miles or in my case another 5/6 years of life.

Currently I own, or bought, 2002 Toyota Avenvis Verso (134k miles) which just keeps on going..this is the car I want to replace as we do not need a 7 seater any longer. Bought oldest son a Peugeot 207 GTI, THP, 1.6 that needed some work done to it but is now running well; wife has a T Sport Corolla that is a very good car, daughter has a Fiat Grande Punto 1.2 which is a perfect car for her. Just bought middle son a 1.6 Astra H (2007) with 61k miles on the clock which will last him a few years. All petrol, all reasonable low mileage (40-70k) apart from Verso.

I have a pathologicla hatred of buying cars from a garage (second hand or new) as look at the prices and think.....it's a bit of metal that gets me from A to B and they want me to pay them what!!! The most expensive car I have bought was a Mark 1 Toyota MR2 - £10k - but that's when I was young, free and single.

Keep the suggestions coming please......away to look at a Honda Accord!!

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - SLO76
The DSG box is a brilliant thing in operation but it's a complex piece of engineering and while it probably will give no trouble for the first 5-6yrs the likelihood of expensive woe later on is pretty high. Always remember the three golden words of buying a car on a budget, especially if you intend on longterm ownership... keep it simple.

A manual box with a normally asperated petrol engine is the easiest road to take though Toyota's hybrid and CVT drivetrains have more than proven themselves and most traditional torque converter autoboxes are fine too.

We've had several Honda's over the years with only the latest CRV giving any grief in the way of a juddering clutch. This seems restricted to the diesels though from what I've read and we've never had any real bother with any of the rest. They're a bit nicer to drive than the equivalent Toyota with the exception of the previous gen Jazz which is horrid to drive. The 2.0 petrol CRV with an auto is a bit sluggish though.

If you're prepared to accept a manual box however there's no reason not to include a 1.6/2.0 Ecoboost Mondeo on the list. They're lovely big cars all round and nicer to drive than the Honda. Would I trust it to be reliable beyond 100k? probably not but it'll be cheaper than the Honda and the drive may sway you. I wouldn't touch the auto as mentioned before plus Ford still make one of the best manual boxes.
Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - S40 Man

Why are the general masses endeared by diesel cars? I do about 5-6000 miles a year and irregular journeys of about 15 miles there and back to work place three days a week. A diesel will just not cut it.

I would like a petrol engined car, an automatic, with a bit of pizzazz. There is just nothing out there on the forecourts. I am willing to spend £10kish and no-one is running up to me to take my cash. Been at 5/6 nationwide dealers - Skoda, VW, Ford, Peugeot, Mazda - they all searched their databases and came up with over 700 diesels that fitted the bill and about 10 petrols....a Skoda, a BMW 3 series estate, and I forget the other ones.

Infinity G37 as auto. Can get a 2009 for £9k but this is £500 tax also.

You won't rleasily find petrol auto that isn't, especially if you want something interesting. The is a reason diesels are popular still.

Are you are diesel no good, you will get a lot bigger choice as you have found.

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - bazza

Plenty of 1.8 Civic autos about, from what I can see. I'm looking at about the samr price range but for a manual.

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - Cyd

An XF-S would fit the bill, but I'm not knowledgeable on whether 10 grand will get you a good un.

Have a look at a Saab 9-3 Aero 2.0T or 2.8T auto and then get a Maptun st1 tune.

I dearly love my 2.0T Aero Anniversary. Stonking stereo (now I've fitted Hertz speakers), lovely heated leather seats, twin zone ACC, bi-xenons and much much more.

And with a Maptun st1 and cai, max torque is 380Nm from 2800 to 4200, so you can guess it flies!.

Seek out Saab 9-3 Owners UK on Facebook - there's been a few for sale recently (and with Saabs demise they're cheap as chips at the mo so value for money is off the scale - though values are starting to recover). There was a Turbo X for sale, but bound to have been snapped up by now.

Don't fret, diesel's had its day.

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - Metropolis.

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Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - badbusdriver

£535 per annum Road tax?

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - SLO76
Be worth about £6.50 in three years too...
Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - madf

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Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - KenMavor

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Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - corax

A bit different to your original brief.

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - KenMavor

I know.....some one tell me not to. £8000. Ex company car FSH know the guy who had it.

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - gordonbennet

I know.....some one tell me not to.

from your OP

'' I do about 5-6000 miles a year and irregular journeys of about 15 miles there and back to work place three days a week. A diesel will just not cut it.''

So a DPF'd Diesel coupled to a DSG box out of makers warranty, to be fair it might be a trouble free motor that gives you years of enjoyment, but it's completely at odds with what were looking for and the reasons why.

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - SLO76
Nice big car. It's not what I'd buy in your position but I understand the appeal. These are murder for DPF issues however and with your usage it's almost guaranteed. The DSG box is prone to issues as it ages too. Old punter of mine was presented with a bill for almost £6k to replace the box in his Audi TT V6 when it had only done 50k, was an earlier version fair enough. If you must then only buy if it has a full main dealer history and intend on keeping it up to date. It's a complex car and Dodgy Joe's backstreet garage or Quick Fiddle fast fit chains have no clue how to maintain it properly. Lastly, I'd use only quality fuel with supermarket diesel used only occasionally. Despite what others will tell you there's a difference and DPF equipped diesels notice it more than others.

Edited by SLO76 on 03/06/2017 at 22:56

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - KenMavor
Nice big car. It's not what I'd buy in your position but I understand the appeal. These are murder for DPF issues however and with your usage it's almost guaranteed. The DSG box is prone to issues as it ages too. Old punter of mine was presented with a bill for almost £6k to replace the box in his Audi TT V6 when it had only done 50k, was an earlier version fair enough. If you must then only buy if it has a full main dealer history and intend on keeping it up to date. It's a complex car and Dodgy Joe's backstreet garage or Quick Fiddle fast fit chains have no clue how to maintain it properly. Lastly, I'd use only quality fuel with supermarket diesel used only occasionally. Despite what others will tell you there's a difference and DPF equipped diesels notice it more than others.

I'm back...did you miss me...lol

Been hunting down cars and driving a few.

Merc petrol, old model, C Class...wife did not like inside and all in all disappointed.

Ford Mondeo Titanium...nice car but Ford dealer did suggest longevity on gearbox would be a question.

Had a drive of a BMW 3 series diesel and was impressed and so was the wife. More space that you would think and comfortable. Are BMW diesels prone to DPF failures as salesman said they were not..well he would say that.

Away to look at a BMW 5 new style 535i...2012....Maybe actually too big after seeing the 3 series. £12k.

Audi 6 2010 Le Mans...2l TSI with multronic box. £10.5k

Both low mileage. BMW was CAT C as previous lady own tore off the bumper. She reversed over a stone which caught the bumper and ripped it off as she drove away. Insurance company wrote car off. She drove 10 miles back home without realising it.

Any thoughts?

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - KenMavor

.....and another thing.

Why do so many car manufacturers like putting wood, fake or real, in the dashboard of so many of their bigger cars trying to make them look upmarket. It just looks so tacky, old and stupid. If I wanted wood I'd become a lumberjack, wear high heels or bought a Rover or Vanden Plas.

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - corax

Yes, wood just doesn't look right in modern cars.

I miss velour though :-)

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - RobJP

I'm back...did you miss me...lol

Been hunting down cars and driving a few.

Merc petrol, old model, C Class...wife did not like inside and all in all disappointed.

Ford Mondeo Titanium...nice car but Ford dealer did suggest longevity on gearbox would be a question.

Had a drive of a BMW 3 series diesel and was impressed and so was the wife. More space that you would think and comfortable. Are BMW diesels prone to DPF failures as salesman said they were not..well he would say that.

Away to look at a BMW 5 new style 535i...2012....Maybe actually too big after seeing the 3 series. £12k.

Audi 6 2010 Le Mans...2l TSI with multronic box. £10.5k

Both low mileage. BMW was CAT C as previous lady own tore off the bumper. She reversed over a stone which caught the bumper and ripped it off as she drove away. Insurance company wrote car off. She drove 10 miles back home without realising it.

Any thoughts?

The 3 series diesel can be prone to DPF problems, but they're pretty resilient on that. The bigger concern is the timing chains on the 2.0 diesel engines.

Even so, you don't really want the diesel. 6k miles per annum, problems will happen sooner or later.

As to tearing a bumper off causing a car to be a Cat C write off ... I can smell a large amount of bovine excrement.

The Audi - those 'multitronic' gearboxes are DSG, with all the usual problems, as far as I'm aware.

The 2011-2016 BMW 5 series is huge, agreed.

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - Terry W

Unless you have a desire or need for size, consider going down a peg,.

There are plenty of 15/16 reg cars from the Focus, Astra or Leon stable which will fit your budget and will have 18 months or so left on the manufacturer warranty. They are excellent cars in their particular market segment.

Mondeos, BMW 3 series, Merc C class etc will lkely be 4-6 years old, 50-80k on the clock and well outside any warranty.

Mid range modern cars are likely to have all or most of the gizmos (satnav, parking sensors, climate etc) found on earlier premium cars. Not particularly critical on your annual mileage but MPG will be much better and servicing costs much less.

Only you can decide whether rationality is trumped by by bling and image - but the rational choice wins hands down for me.

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - SLO76
Forget diesel and forget anything with an automated manual gearbox. You will suffer massive expense as they age.

The Cat C BMW had far more damage than they're admitting to. An insurance company would not write off such a valuable car for a rear bumper. It will have seen huge damage and will be next to worthless when you try to trade it in. Don't consider it for a second!

I'd strongly advise a rethink on these complex executive autos. You're heading for a painful lesson in car buying if you buy one on the cheap. If you must have a premium exec auto then a Lexus IS250 auto is silky smooth, very well made and rarely goes wrong. Just watch you don't get caught out by some 06-07 cars fell into the high tax band but later cars were tweaked to slip under it. Not exactly sure on the dates so check the particular car before buying. It's probably the only auto exec I'd buy at this money.

Edited by SLO76 on 27/06/2017 at 21:49

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - glidermania

Id go BMW auto everytime. Had a 320d diesel and a Z4 petrol, both autos. The box was great on both, smooth, effortless and most importantly, faultless.

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - Avant

"Had a drive of a BMW 3 series diesel and was impressed and so was the wife. More space that you would think and comfortable. Are BMW diesels prone to DPF failures as salesman said they were not..well he would say that."

I can only repeat my suggestion upthread - look at a petrol 3-series, 320i or 330i. There are plenty of petrol automatics around, although obviously I don't know where you're based.

If you can stand the looks and the lack of rear visibility, a Honda Civic 1.8 could be worth adding to the shortlist.

"Tried a Mazda 6 petrol auto (new and old model) and was frankly unimpressed. Have seen and heard horror stories on Mazda 6 DPF regens and failed DPFs."

I'd have suggested a petrol Mazda 6 if you hadn't said that in your original post. The horror stories about diesel Mazdas are unfortunately true, but remember that petrol engines don't have DPFs.

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - KenMavor

Good evening all....

Spent the last 2/3 months driving lots of cars....petrols, diesels, estates, saloons, hatchbacks.

Just purchased a 2007 Lexus IS250 petrol automatic. 65k miles, full Lexus service history. Does not have all the toys and gadgest but does have a lovely V6 petrol engine. Very nice car indeed.

Did consider a later model Honda Accord 2.4 but could not find one near enough to test drive.

Will see how it behaves....still considering whether to take the Lexus 2 year warranty out on it but will contact Lexus tomorrow and see what they say.

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - SLO76
Great choice! Hope it's one of the updated cars that slipped under the high tax band though?

Edited by SLO76 on 28/08/2017 at 21:36

Automatic petrol with a bit of panache and flair - Metropolis.
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