Any - Disliked car - barney100

Which car make do you not like and why?

Any - Disliked car - Avant

Good question - makes me think for a moment why it is that I don't like Vauxhalls. In nearly 50 years of owning cars, I've never had one and can't see myself ever wanting one.

Their image isn't great, but I'm not too worried about that (three of the best cars I've had have been Skodas). To make sure it isn't blind prejudice, I've often test-driven them, and the only one that I found enjoyable to drive was the Mark 2 Cavalier (early 1980s). Otherwise, they've all had a lack of 'zing' that just doesn't do it for me.

But as pieces of equipment for fleets and driving schools they do a perfectly competent job. Before WW2 they were much more interesting and some were cars to aspire to. Vauxhall have been owned by GM since the 1920s but for some reason the dead hand of GM blandness didn't affect them till after the war.

Any - Disliked car - John F

I find all cars interesting and likeable, but if you mean brands, then...Mercedes Benz.

Reasons for dislike......

1. Dishonesty. Reputation of (Karl) Benz making the first car built on a lie (google Siegfried Marcus or visit Vienna Technical Museum).

2. The smart propaganda of creating and elevating the 'best car in the world' image to almost regal status, so much so that I have occasionally heard people reverently refer to their car as 'the Mercedes', rather than 'the car'.

3. The way in which they have managed to extract the most enormous amount of money out of the worldwide punter with claims of ultra reliability or low depreciation. All I have known who owned one either lost a fortune in depreciation and/or it cost the proverbial two limbs if and when it needed maintenance and repair - basic W124 excepted.

4. Causing the now sadly rare choice of a lovely name to complement a lovely girl.

Any - Disliked car - NARU

The only car I've had and hated was a Saab 9-5 Aero estate.

I think I must be the wrong shape, as I could never get the seat comfortable and it gave me dreadful backache.

It was a company car. I resigned about 2 weeks after getting the Saab (not because of the car!), and made sure the next company car was something different - a BMW 330d. That was much more comfortable!

Any - Disliked car - SLO76
Currently my least favourite firm is Peugeot. Citroen escapes (just) by virtue of having at least some character.

Peugeot has however gone from being manufacturers of dynamic cars with driver enjoyment at heart (think 205, 306, 405) to mass producing bland numb driving euroboxes under the supervision of accountants over engineers. There's nothing in their current range (excluding perhaps the 208 GTi) that has even a shred of the old Lions heart. They can't even make a supermini that's fun to drive anymore with the standard 208 not even being on the same road as Ford's Fiesta or almost any other rival for that matter.

Dull, bland, poorly made and currently in the grip of severe cost cutting that has seen suppliers squeezed for savings which will ultimately show up in further reliability issues down the line. The notorious 1.6 diesel of doom is still in production despite thousands of premature failures (even Ford reengineered it) and they're making no effort to inject excitement or quality.

Brings a tear to my eye as someone who used to love their products in the 80's and 90's. People back then bought them because they wanted them, today it's all down to price. You buy a Peugeot because it was cheaper than the rival.

Edited by SLO76 on 03/05/2017 at 16:40

Any - Disliked car - Stanb Sevento

VAG cars. I have been a big fan of VW, Ive owned 12 of them from new and had great service from them, liked the way they drove and how they were put together., also liked their conservative slightly boring styling. After the emissions scandal i have grown to hate them, not because of the cheating, they all do that but all the lies and shameful treatment of their customers I can’t forgive. Unless they do something to redeem themselves I can’t buy another.

Contenders for my next car are Toyota and Mazda, but its 6 to 12 months away yet so that could change.

Any - Disliked car - galileo

I've had lots of cars, (usually bought used and often did my own repairs/servicing on them) , plus a wide range of company pool cars/hire cars, in the UK and abroad. I can't honestly say I have a dislike for any manufacturer as such.

I have,however, developed an aversion to Audis, a majority of Audi drivers seem to be aggressive, selfish and prone to unsafe manoeuvres, so I give them a wide berth. BMW drivers seem somewhat better now, at least in my neck of the woods. (Apologies to members who have Audis, I'm sure the above generalisation does not include you!)

Any - Disliked car - corax

I have,however, developed an aversion to Audis, a majority of Audi drivers seem to be aggressive, selfish and prone to unsafe manoeuvres, so I give them a wide berth. BMW drivers seem somewhat better now, at least in my neck of the woods. (Apologies to members who have Audis, I'm sure the above generalisation does not include you!)

Totally agree about Audis, they are usually black. Audi used to be one of my favourite makes in the eighties, when they had a subtle but classy image, and they had some genuinely great engineering features like galvanising and the quattro system, but they are now arrogant and thrusting with look at me DRL's, and attract the people described above.

Range Rover Sport. I can't see the point. It can't go off road properly, there is no ground clearance and the wheels and tyres are silly. It weighs a colossal amount due to a monocoque and a chassis, so it needs a lot of power to shift it. It's called a Sport but something that heavy will not handle with any finesse. It attracts the same type of people above who always seem to have the right pedal welded to the floor and the car welded to someone elses tailgate permanently.

Any - Disliked car - badbusdriver

I have,however, developed an aversion to Audis, a majority of Audi drivers seem to be aggressive, selfish and prone to unsafe manoeuvres, so I give them a wide berth. BMW drivers seem somewhat better now, at least in my neck of the woods. (Apologies to members who have Audis, I'm sure the above generalisation does not include you!)

Totally agree about Audis, they are usually black. Audi used to be one of my favourite makes in the eighties, when they had a subtle but classy image, and they had some genuinely great engineering features like galvanising and the quattro system, but they are now arrogant and thrusting with look at me DRL's, and attract the people described above.

Range Rover Sport. I can't see the point. It can't go off road properly, there is no ground clearance and the wheels and tyres are silly. It weighs a colossal amount due to a monocoque and a chassis, so it needs a lot of power to shift it. It's called a Sport but something that heavy will not handle with any finesse. It attracts the same type of people above who always seem to have the right pedal welded to the floor and the car welded to someone elses tailgate permanently.

Entirely agree with the above comments, however my dislike of audi's goes a bit deeper than that particular type of driver who (in my experience) is usually behind the wheel (not to mention, about 5' from my back bumper!). Audi's slogan, vorsprung durch technik roughly translates as 'advancement through technology'. This, to me, speaks of innovation, new design, new ideas, pushing the boundaries, etc. Yet the last time audi designed and put into production a genuinely innovative and forward thinking car was 1999. They seem quite content these days to churn out endless slightly different variations of the same styling theme.

Any - Disliked car - Manatee

I dislike the MINI but that is irrational. Actually it's a mild dislike, just a bit more than total indifference. I don't properly detest any cars although there are a lot I probably would if I had to live with them.

Arguably the MINI's main purpose is to imitate something else, and for any other use there is a better choice; but the same can probably be said of the Fiat 500 and the new Beetle, which I don't mind.

Perhaps the difference is that I have had proper Minis, but not the others.

I tend to gravitate to non-mainstream cars.

Edited by Manatee on 03/05/2017 at 17:44

Any - Disliked car - gordonbennet
I tend to gravitate to non-mainstream cars.

Me too, don't like the norm in most things, cars included.

There's lots of makes i wouldn't own again for various reasons, suspect any cars i own for the rest of my natural will have been made in Japan.

Any - Disliked car - Theophilus

Nissans - the first Japanese car I had was a Nissan (in those days it was a Datsun) and it had no redeeming features.

I've had Mazda, Toyota, Honda and Subarus since, so I'm not prejudiced against Japanese cars, and found them all to be reliable and to fulfil my needs - also owned Citroen, Fiat, Peugeot, VW, Vauxhall, Renault, Volvo & Saabs & others which have faded from the memory - but its the Nissan range that does nothing for me, they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to my eye Nissan have built pretty ugly (or else anonymous) cars over the years.

Edited by Theophilus on 03/05/2017 at 18:10

Any - Disliked car - Alby Back
I like most cars really, not that I don't have some fairly basic, mainly practical, preferences. Cars represent freedom of movement to me and anything that is good at being a car gets my vote. It's only when they don't work that I dislike them. There was one Espace I'd have shot if it was a horse, but apart from that, I've owned or had the use of lots of cars, and driven countless more and they all pleased me in their own ways. Old cars, new cars, big cars, small ones, fast ones and slow ones, each though had something to commend them whether it was low cost or high thrills or just plain old usefulness.

Wouldn't like to have been without one.
Any - Disliked car - Engineer Andy

I don't think I dislike any make of car per-se, but the few cars I've either driven or been driven in, the worst I can safely say was a K-reg Ford Escort 1.4 (the horrible 75bhp lean burn engine) LX. Poor styling and put together, and just about the worst engine and car combination - it was not that economical and woefully slow, sometimes downright dangerous trying to move out of junctions or at roundabouts. This was also before Ford C-sector cars handled well. When my Dad PX'ed it for a new P-reg 1.25 Fiesta, it was like a breath of fresh air.

Any - Disliked car - Steveieb
Got to be the Moskvich of the 70s era.
We in Britain were privilidged to have them inspected by Satra motors, the importers in Bridlington, but the dealers still had to re engineer the steering box and the brake cylinder unions which had a habit of leaking.
Gear levers fell off when changing gear and belts fell off as they were so much out of alignment.
A work colleague managed to drive one back from Moscow but one day it caught fire spotaneously in the car park and we all cheered as it went up in smoke!
Any - Disliked car - Stumblebum

I had one of these as a company car. I hated the car so much that I chucked the job in after 6 weeks. I did use it for a holiday driving up to the highlands and back. 31 MPG! It was slow, I think the gearing was far too high, presumably to try and get some sort of economy out of it.

Any - Disliked car - mss1tw
The Range Rover

Maybe the early ones get a pass

These days I am sick of the sight of the things. They remind me of a hippo in Nike Airs, and generally driven by...The sort of people that buy Range Rovers.
Any - Disliked car - Big John

I was given a Basic Austin Maestro 1.3 as a company car for a while - horrible horrible car!

>It was slow - overtaking anything wasn't safe. Put your foot down in any gear and very little happened

>It was thirsty

>It was noisy

I suppose it's seat was OKish

(My favorite car was a Saab 9000cs)

Any - Disliked car - veloceman
Quite agree, most Audis driven by m****s.

Also hate the variety of Range Rover/Land Rovers in white with body kits, massive wheels and the lowest of profile tyres. Pointless.
Any - Disliked car - Fishermans Bend

Toyotas, just about every one is ugly, and my brother has one!

Any - Disliked car - Theophilus

Any car with black "security glass" windows

Any - Disliked car - drd63

We had a run of great Honda Accords and an S2000, then to save tax I downsized to a 1.8 2006 Civic, truly the worst car I've ever had and vowed never to buy another Honda. Have been given a golf as a hire car a few times, the interior could send me to sleep it's so dull if it weren't for the backache from the seats, so no VW's.

Any - Disliked car - daveyK_UK
Renault

Thanks to the pig of the car world namely the Modus.

Terrible build quality and engineering design
Any - Disliked car - Happy Blue!

I saw a brand new Rolls-Royce last week with fully blacked out side windows. Apart from being illegal, why do Rolls-Royce permit this. Surely the purchaser hasn't driven it out of the showroom like that?

Second hate is reserved for the XC90 I owned for three months in 2010. I made the mistake of buying a three year old 72,000 mile model assuming (incorrectly) that sitting on a motorway would render it like new in most departments. The car was woeful, poorly presented, slow and just horrible to drive. Swapped after three months for a Ford S-Max which I kept for five years and is one of my two all time favourite cars.

Third hate is Vauxhall. I have never driven one that has a decent gearbox, comfortable seat or was anything other than transport.

Any - Disliked car - Andrew-T

Like Avant, I have never owned a particular brand because I took against it at an impressionable age. In my case it was Ford, some of which were still made near Liverpool at the time we settled on Merseyside in the late 60s. Cortinas were made of little metal stretched to cover the most volume, and if you parked one in Liverpool there were so many master keys about that there was a good chance it had moved before you got back to it.

At the time I was attached to BMC - 1100s, then a Triumph, then several Maxis. All those were reliable although one or two had some porous bodywork. I test drove a Maestro, but no thanks. I switched to Pug 205s in the late 80s and still have one. I even have a 207 with the dreaded 1.6 HDi (but no DPF) which may have been the most trouble-free car I have owned, though several others come close.

It's easy to get stuck with a brand, especially if it has given no reason to switch.

Any - Disliked car - wrangler_rover
As somebody who voted for brexit, it has to be any European car that isn't made in England.
I also have an aversion to ford having been tricked by my local ford dealer in 1990.
Having said that,, I had a Toyota Prius plug in on a 3 day trial 4 years ago and
I still think the best thing to do with that car is to crush it and use the cube as a coffee table.
I have recently changed my company car from an Avensis diesel estate to a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and I think the Outlander is the best car I have ever driven.
Any - Disliked car - Manatee
. I have recently changed my company car from an Avensis diesel estate to a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV and I think the Outlander is the best car I have ever driven.

I have a 2016 Outlander diesel auto (slush box). I had a 2011 manual before that so broadly I knew what I was in for. The only thing that disappointed me on the new one was the utterly numb steering, compared with the Outlander 2, which has hydraulic PAS. The 3 has electric, presumably as part of the design to accommodate the hybrid option. I've got used to it now and it doesn't bother me, I don't drive it like a sports car and it does go where it is pointed, even if it doesn't feel as if it will. You must have noticed it.

Very happy with it actually, it is quiet and relaxing to drive and the fact that it does not encourage sporty driving keeps the economy reasonable!

Any - Disliked car - SLO76
"I have a 2016 Outlander diesel auto (slush box). I had a 2011 manual before that so broadly I knew what I was in for. The only thing that disappointed me on the new one was the utterly numb steering, compared with the Outlander 2, which has hydraulic PAS. The 3 has electric, presumably as part of the design to accommodate the hybrid option. I've got used to it now and it doesn't bother me, I don't drive it like a sports car and it does go where it is pointed, even if it doesn't feel as if it will. You must have noticed it."

Common complaint these days. Sadly pretty much every modern car has an electric rack instead of hydraulics with varying degrees of numbness all in the name of reducing emissions and tax rates. Ford still seem to be able to inject some feel but I miss the feeling of earlier motors.
Any - Disliked car - wrangler_rover
The decider for the Outlander for me was the low company car tax (benefit in kind).
The Outlander saves me a considerable amount of tax compared to the other cars I had the choice of, all 2 litre diesels.
As for the miles per gallon of 140 claimed by the manufacturer.
I haven't plugged it in yet as I am awaiting my home charger installation but in 3 weeks and 1600 miles, I am averaging 36 miles per gallon, mainly motorway driving, long runs and a 2 litre petrol engine driving a vehicle weighing almost 2 tons with the batteries.
One observation is the weight of the batteries between the wheels give the vehicle a very low centre of gravity so there is little roll going into corners.
With the electric motors driving the front and rear wheels, if needed it can really pull away fast if gently cruising up to traffic lights or to a roundabout.
Any - Disliked car - Ethan Edwards

36!!!! Yikes that's poor. My old 2012 Automatic 2 litre TD Qashqai gets far more than that. You must drive like Nicki Lauda.

Well that's one more vehicle off my potential purchase list.

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 05/05/2017 at 14:09

Any - Disliked car - Manatee

36!!!! Yikes that's poor. My old 2012 Automatic 2 litre TD Qashqai gets far more than that. You must drive like Nicki Lauda.

Well that's one more vehicle off my potential purchase list.

That's about what I would expect running on petrol only, even with a bit of energy recovery.

The last-3-fills moving average for my diesel auto is 41.2mpg (miles driven divided by gallons used to refill).

It's actually improving, the first couple of fills were 36ish, whole of life (only 2,000 miles) sitting at 39.0.

I avoid using it for very short trips, and I do drive like a vicar, albeit to the speed limits.

Factoid - the Outlander 3 claims a 30% drag ratio, about the same as the Sierra when it was launched! The Outlander does however have a biggish frontal area (and weighs about 50% more).

The official combined figure of course is 48.7mpg. Still, I don't think the 41 is bad.

Any - Disliked car - Ethan Edwards

My last tank 46.6 I commute to work in it. 75 miles a day.

36 is just awful. Glad it's improving for you. Mind you for town work your hybrids probably going to be better. Especially when you home charge it. We also just bought a new Ignis. 57mpg Easy.

Best of luck with that.

Any - Disliked car - SLO76
"I haven't plugged it in yet as I am awaiting my home charger installation but in 3 weeks and 1600 miles, I am averaging 36 miles per gallon,"

We looked at one of these but settled on a Honda CRV 1.6 diesel because the real life fuel economy is far better. We can exceed 60mpg without much effort and it averages around 56mpg day to day. One long run seen over 70mpg which is outstanding for such a large vehicle.
Any - Disliked car - Andrew-T
The decider for the Outlander for me was the low company car tax (benefit in kind).

.... . in 3 weeks and 1600 miles, I am averaging 36 miles per gallon, mainly motorway driving,

So you're paying out one lot of tax just to save a bit on another ? Have you done the sums?

Any - Disliked car - Metropolis.

Anything that isn't a Land Rover. Can't get used to other brands.

Any - Disliked car - concrete

I am with Avant on this. I made the error of having one as a company car. A Vectra CD diesel. After 8 months I managed to pursuade a colleague to swop me for his Renault Laguna Tourer. He found it too large and I found the Vectra too small. There was nothing about the car to enjoy or complain about, it was a non event vehicle. I have owned or driven just about everything over the past 50 years and would revisit a lot of makes, but not Vauxhall. Shame really. Cheers Concrete

Any - Disliked car - gordonbennet

Today i saw my first new shape Discovery.

Ye Gods, you know what they say about what has once been seen cannot be unseen, now i've seen it that thing is going to give me nightmares, easily as hideous as a Bentayga.

Did they employ the geezer who designed the Ssang Yong Rodius.

Any - Disliked car - mss1tw
It must be the same thing I saw recently, I was with a mate and neither of us could work out what the hell it was until he spotted the lettering.

Vile looking thing
Any - Disliked car - notagoodname
From the back it looks like it's had a stroke.
Any - Disliked car - Nickdm

Slight thread drift... another Outlander (diesel auto) owner here. Have struggled to crack 40mpg unless I drive like a nun, although things are improving after almost 20,000 miles of bedding-in.

I have been driving in ECO mode - until yesterday when fuel consumption actually improved over a 200 mile trip without ECO mode...!

Spot on with your comments about the steering Manatee. Aside, which size wheels and brand of tyres are you running? Guess that'd make a difference....

Any - Disliked car - Manatee

Spot on with your comments about the steering Manatee. Aside, which size wheels and brand of tyres are you running? Guess that'd make a difference....

The tyres are the Outlander-specific Toyo R37, 225/55R18 98H. I get the impression they aren't quite as sharp as the Michelin Primacy 3 that I put on the last one, or the Continental Cross Contacts that were on it originally - but that could be down to the steering feel, at least partly.

Actually you're the second person I've seen mention that the ECO button might be having the opposite of its intended effect. I tried it for the first two days, but it felt as if the carpet had got under the accelerator so I gave up with it.

Any - Disliked car - SteVee

>>Did they employ the geezer who designed the Ssang Yong Rodius.<<

Same bloke who designed the MGF - Gerry McGovern. I think he does a decent job of packaging a product. I can't blame the designer for the problems that my MG had - that was all down to quality controls.
I'm glad to see JLR doing so well, but I do not want any of their products, however when I next need to hire a luxury car for a few days, I'll be looking for an XF - just to see.
Actually, there aren't any cars about that I really want now, and I'm not fussed about many of the bikes on sale now.

Any - Disliked car - badbusdriver

>>Did they employ the geezer who designed the Ssang Yong Rodius.<<

Same bloke who designed the MGF - Gerry McGovern. I think he does a decent job of packaging a product. I can't blame the designer for the problems that my MG had - that was all down to quality controls.
I'm glad to see JLR doing so well, but I do not want any of their products, however when I next need to hire a luxury car for a few days, I'll be looking for an XF - just to see.
Actually, there aren't any cars about that I really want now, and I'm not fussed about many of the bikes on sale now.

The ssangyong rodius was designed by a chap called Ken Greenly, the object being, 'to capture the essence of a luxury yacht'(!). Hence the feature in the last episode of the most recent series of top gear, where a rodius is turned into a boat.

Amusingly, given its tendency to come well up any lists of the ugliest cars, the name rodius is (according to wikipedia) an inaccurate portmanteau of the words road and Zeus, intented to mean 'lord of the road'!

Any - Disliked car - pyruse

Porsche Cayenne

A pointless, overpriced car, and the people who drive them always seem to be complete d**ks (certainly all the ones I've met, anyway, and judging by the way other examples are driven, that's pretty typical).

Any - Disliked car - badbusdriver

Porsche Cayenne

A pointless, overpriced car, and the people who drive them always seem to be complete d**ks (certainly all the ones I've met, anyway, and judging by the way other examples are driven, that's pretty typical).

I agree with most of this, and am certainly no fan of big flashy SUV's, but i'm afraid it is not pointless. The cayenne provided the much needed funds to keep producing and improving 'proper' porsche's!.

A better example of a pointless SUV is the BMW X6, which offers nothing apart from less space than the X5. Unless of course, you want to drive about in a car which, in my opinion, from the rear 3/4 angle, looks like a giant toad squatting (though this is less so in the current 2nd gen version)!

Any - Disliked car - diddy1234

Regarding the BMW X6, one owner can now be found on the Duster owners club.

Why ? because he said the car was terrible offroad and wasnt much better on it.

He then brought a Duster at a fraction of the cost and loves the car. Just goes to show really.

Style or substance ?

 

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