Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

Hi,

I am after a ACEA C2 0w30 for my toyota yaris with dpf. I called a few toyota dealers but its sunday and their parts dept is closed. Anyways, in the manual toyota recommends "Toyota Genuine Motor Oil". Is the better to get that or will a castrol be fine. I want to replace my motor oil asap hence wanted to get the castrol today.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - Wackyracer

Any decent brand to the correct specification is the answer. use the Castrol online lubricant advisor tool and it will tell you the exact product from their range to use. Don't forget to change the oil filter too if your doing an oil change.

According to Castrol it should be Magnatec Stop-Start 5W-30 C2

Edited by Wackyracer on 19/02/2017 at 12:41

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

but my manual says 0w30 c2 is preferred.

imgur.com/a/7rmeD

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

also, where can i buy the filter from.

I am trying to change oil/filter privately (myself or a garage) and not by toyota as I entered a litre of wrong oil and although car still runs fine and am told not to make the same mistake again but for now, engine will be fine, I am just taking extra precaution and trying to get it replaced.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - Wackyracer

also, where can i buy the filter from.

Any motor factors. Just buy a decent OEM brand like Mann Hummel.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - dieselnut

You are worrying unnecessarily about adding 1l of 5w oil.

Plus you have already told the garage about the mistake ( from your other post ).

Here is 5l at a good price for the next oil change

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SH-0w30-C2-C3-Fully-Synthetic-U...O

If you want a genuine filter you will have to go to a Toyata part dept, but Mann Hummel are just as good.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

thanks mate. I will calm down a bit i think. But i put in that 1 litre 5w oil when th elevel was low. I still havent filled it up yet and isnt it recommended that if I am going to now go and get the right oil, i should empty it completely and then fill it in with the right oil? Or it is ok to fill it up with the right oil even when there wrong oit in it already (I doubt it but as u know i am barely a driver let alone an expert)?

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

*****first and last bump*****

need to make sure i am not going to be doing anything incorrectly or unnecessarily

Edited by cs50 on 19/02/2017 at 18:22

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - dieselnut

Just top it up with the 0W30 oil when you get it & then sleep soundly.

1l of 5W oil will not have harmed the engine.

Also, check your oil level regularly so it's not allowed to get so low.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

Just to be clear, i had put in 5w30 ACEA A5/B5 and according to castrol and toyota, i should put in 5w30 ACEA C2 or 0w30 ACEA C2.

Just wanted to make sure, u didnt think i was worried about just 5w30 c2 and 0w30 c2.

Sorry for being such a pain. Final question for at least the next few days, i promise

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - dieselnut

I did understand 100% that you had put in 1l of SLIGHTLY the wrong viscosity & SLIGHTLY the wrong spec oil.

But you have only added 1l & are going to use the correct oil in future.

No harm will come to your engine due to this.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - craig-pd130

I wouldn't worry about it. 5W30 is still good down to -20C which is colder than it's ever likely to get in the UK.

Castrol is a good, reputable brand and as long as the oil matches the stated Toyota specs, the difference between a 0W and a 5W viscosity will not be noticable.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - jc2

IIRC both Castrol and Duckhams are now part of BP.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - bathtub tom

I very much doubt if Toyota make oil and therefore whtever's in a container of "Toyota Genuine Motor Oil" will be made by an oil producer.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - edlithgow

I wouldn't worry about it. 5W30 is still good down to -20C which is colder than it's ever likely to get in the UK.

Castrol is a good, reputable brand and as long as the oil matches the stated Toyota specs, the difference between a 0W and a 5W viscosity will not be noticable.

I don't think viscosity is the issue here, and it doesn't seem to be the focus of the OP's concern.

If viscosity were the issue, the very slightly higher viscosity would perhaps give very slightly better wear protection, but probably there'd be no detectable difference.

In other words, it wouldn't matter. This is confirmed by the OP's statement that either 5w30 or 0w30 can be used..

As I understand it, the issue is the exhaust aftertreatment system compatability.

The OP has added a litre of 5w30 ACEA A5/B5 to a system that specifies ACEA C2

C2 is a low SAPS (sulphated ash, phosphorus and sulphur) designed to avoid damage to exhaust aftertreatment systems like the diesel particulate filter.

www.lubrizol.com/en/Lubricant-and-Fuel-Additives/E...0

ACEA A5/B5 isn't. It potentially has higher SAPS, has a higher base number, and a lower level of aftertreatment system compatability.

lubrizol.com/Lubricant-and-Fuel-Additives/Engine-O...0 (specs seem incomplete)

I don't know if the OP has added enough ACEA A5/B5 to compromise his aftertreatment system, but given the reported fragility and expense of these things, I wouldn't dismiss his concerns out of hand.

OP, I suggest you contact the technical department of an oil company with your concerns, but if you want to post on a forum, I'd suggest this US-based oil obsessives site.

bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/forums/52..._(PCMO)

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

wow this is so confusing. Used the castrol tool, and it gave me 5w30 c2 fuel for my reg. But having read the review page for the car here on honestjohn,

- 9-3-2016: 2015 Toyota Yaris 1.4 D-4D needed a forced DPF regeneration and oil change at 18,000 miles, costing £275. Might not have been actively regenerating, and this might be because owner filled it with Millers longlife ACEA C2 5W30 instead of the correct 0W30 at the last oil change. Problem occurred despite almost all mileage on motorway on 800 mile road trips at 2,000rpm.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/toyota/yaris-and-yar...d Dealers wont tell me anything as they want to change the oil themselves, still waiting on toyota to come back to me. This is ridiculous.
Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - Wackyracer

Using a 5w instead of a 0W is going to make no difference at all in the UK climate. Don't take my word for it. listen to what Dan Watson has to say about it www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_iN_IJpSIU

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

i get what you're saying, but dont want toyota to give me trouble later as they did the other guy i quoted above.

Also, its so hard to find the exact oil 0w30 ACEA C2 that they recommend. I have found a c3 but not a c2. ridicolous. is the c2 made of gold?

Edited by cs50 on 20/02/2017 at 14:45

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - skidpan

Here's one

www.opieoils.co.uk/p-68990-motul-8100-eco-clean-ac...x

Heres another

www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Toyota_Yaris_1.4_2013/p...8

Google is your friend.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

thx mate but I had already a look at both and

One on eurocarparts doesnt say C2 anywhere so you cant blame me for being safe than sorry.

The other one is unbranded.

Anyone know of a shell or a castol or mobil1 one?

Edited by cs50 on 20/02/2017 at 15:47

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

for anyone interested, got a reply back from toyota listers dealer.

"Good afternoon, The oil required for your 1.4 diesel registration GK14XXX is 5W/30 and the brand would be Mobil, we only sell 1lt containers and for a complete oil change 3.9 lts would be required.

Kind Regards "

Since asda are doing a castrol 5w30 c2 on rollback, i reckon i will go with that. This is also the one castrol site comes up with when i enter my reg there. So fingers crossed, toyota dont give me grief later.

groceries.asda.com/product/oils-lubricants/castrol...2

Edited by cs50 on 20/02/2017 at 19:13

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - edlithgow

Since asda are doing a castrol 5w30 c2 on rollback, i reckon i will go with that.

Yeh, you want a C2. The viscosity doesn't matter, so the HJ reference to a forced dpf regen that you quote above doesn't seem to make sense.

Whether the litre of non-C2 oil will reduce the life of your exhaust treatment system will depend partly on how much oil it uses. There'll probably be some effect over the life of the oil fill, but I doubt anyone would be able to put a figure on it.

Whether it matters to you will depend on how long you plan on keeping the car.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - nortones2
The Opie oil is Motul, which is well known.
Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - skidpan

thx mate but I had already a look at both and

One on eurocarparts doesnt say C2 anywhere so you cant blame me for being safe than sorry.

The other one is unbranded.

If you zoom in it clearly shows C2 on the Eurocarparts container photo.

Motul is a top brand. Been using it for years.

You admit to knowing very little and yet critisise the efforts of others to show you 2 compatible products.

Have a nice life.

Edited by skidpan on 21/02/2017 at 09:14

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

I did say thanks before pointing out why I didnt pick these as they didnt seem to me as a layman to be as branded as castrol, shell, mobil, etc. I was merely hoping for a confirmation for their faith in these brands, which people have since given me. I apologise if I came across as rude but I still fail to see how that comment could be rude to yourself when I pointed out why I didnt pick those two when u suggested I couldnt google.

Anyways, I am still really grateful for your comments mate as they have helped me a lot. I apologise sincerely.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - Manatee

Don't fret about the 0W-30 v 5W-30 thing. The 0W-30 covers a wider range of operating temperature that you don't need unless you are planning a trip to Siberia.

Arguably the 5W-30 can be better optimised for the range that you do need.

I usually check on the Milers 'oil finder' and order the Trident version online usually.

The three oils they say are suitable for my Outlander diesel with DPF include a C1, C2, and a C2/C3, all 5W-30 as it happens, but the ppoint of mentioning it is that all of C1, C2 and C3 are low ash and suitable for use with DPFs - if the litre of "wrong" oil you put in was any of those, then it will have been OK anyway from the DPF point of view.

From a bit of googling, it appears that C1 has the lowest maximum ash content anyway at <0.5%. C2 and C3 are <0.8%

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

Only had the wrong oil for a very short time so hoping that didnt cause DPF issue as the light was coming on before then. But am getting oil/filter replaced now.

thanks everyone for your help. Really do appreciate it. Found what I was looking for. Sorted!

Edited by cs50 on 21/02/2017 at 10:53

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - edlithgow

'...all of C1, C2 and C3 are low ash and suitable for use with DPFs - if the litre of "wrong" oil you put in was any of those, then it will have been OK anyway from the DPF point of view.'

It wasn't. (That's why it was "wrong" oil.)

So it won't have been OK (though its unclear how un-OK it'll have been).

SEE ABOVE

But you are giving some relevent information.

Quite a few of the posters above are banging on about viscosity, which is NOT the problem here.

It helps to stay relevent if you actually read the thread (or at least the relevent bit) before posting.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

just a quick one,

bought the oil that @skidpan kindly recommended.

Can someone just link me to the correct oil filter. I know I may be asking for spoonfeeding but better to be safe than sorry. Entering my reg in eurocarparts gave me

www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/Toyota_Yaris_1.4_2014/p...1

Couldn't find oil filter in my manual either - www.docdroid.net/na1hfom/yarisf-we-52e26e.pdf.html

It has info on fuel filter, aircon filter, but not oil filter so dont wanna get this wrong.

I am getting a professional garage to change oil/filter for me, but just want to provide them with the oil and filter myself since they might not have this in stock and I only got one day-off work to get this sorted. Appreciate it.


Yaris Icon Plus 5dr 1.4 D-4D, Manual, 1.4 diesel



Edited by cs50 on 21/02/2017 at 11:16

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - nortones2

Buy a Toyota oil filter. Not worth buying a generic unless you know they will be up to the job.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

yup i agree. Go to any toyota dealership or can i buy it from eurocarparts, etc?

Edited by cs50 on 21/02/2017 at 11:56

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - Wackyracer

If you ordered the oil from Opies, just phone them and ask them to supply a filter as well. Opie sell good quality filters.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

i had bought the oil from eurocarparts since they had 30% off today and no delivery cost. But I will contact opie and since what they recommend.

Am at work so cant ring dealers but most of the time it seems they want to change the whole oil-filter themselves and dont give out prices. But will try a few this eve. Thanks

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - jc2

Am at work so cant ring dealers but most of the time it seems they want to change the whole oil-filter themselves and dont give out prices. But will try a few this eve. Thanks

Ask the dealer switchboard for "Parts counter".

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

found one.

www.opieoils.co.uk/pv-91008-mahle-oil-filter-ox414...x

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - bathtub tom

I presume the OP bought the car secondhand? We don't know what oil has been used before he acquired it. If the wrong oil has been used extensively before, then it could already be too late.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - cs50

bought second hand from toyota dealer. oil was right until i put a litre of wrong one in myself.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - skidpan

I presume the OP bought the car secondhand? We don't know what oil has been used before he acquired it. If the wrong oil has been used extensively before, then it could already be too late.

Here is an example of how poor some dealers are.

When our Kia was coming up to its first service I rang round the 3 local dealers for a price. Two quoted £160 the other £120. £120 looked better than £160 so I asked a few questions and they quickly conceeded that if I wanted them to use the correct 5w 30 C3 DPF friendly fully synthetic oil as specified by Kia it would be another £40, total £160. Asked what oil they used it was standard 5w 30 semi synth Ford A1/B1 oil, basically what they used in all the Fords they serviced, they were a Ford/Kia dealer.

Wonder how many owners had DPF issues resulting from this garages use of incorrect oil.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - Wackyracer

I presume the OP bought the car secondhand? We don't know what oil has been used before he acquired it. If the wrong oil has been used extensively before, then it could already be too late.

Here is an example of how poor some dealers are.

When our Kia was coming up to its first service I rang round the 3 local dealers for a price. Two quoted £160 the other £120. £120 looked better than £160 so I asked a few questions and they quickly conceeded that if I wanted them to use the correct 5w 30 C3 DPF friendly fully synthetic oil as specified by Kia it would be another £40, total £160. Asked what oil they used it was standard 5w 30 semi synth Ford A1/B1 oil, basically what they used in all the Fords they serviced, they were a Ford/Kia dealer.

Wonder how many owners had DPF issues resulting from this garages use of incorrect oil.

I wonder how many had excessive engine wear? A1/B1 is not known for super lubricity and as far as I can remember Ford specify A5/B5.

I don't doubt what you say. Many dealers just use any oil they have regardless of suitability.

For what it's worth, my diesel with DPF is specified to use A3/B4. I've checked directly with Vauxhall and they say it is right to use GM-LL-B-025 but, they also say that Dexos 2 (which is a C3 oil) is backwards compatible with all Vauxhall/Opel engines both petrol and Diesel.

Edited by Wackyracer on 23/02/2017 at 12:40

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - skidpan

I wonder how many had excessive engine wear? A1/B1 is not known for super lubricity and as far as I can remember Ford specify A5/B5.

I do not think engine wear would have been an issue. Prior to the introduction of the DPF for MY 2011 Ceeds the oil spec was 5w 30 A3/B3 semi synthetic, not exactly a high spec oil, no better than the Ford spec.

The standard Ford spec was/is WSS-M2C913 and was originally introduced in the early 90's when Ford were having issues with noisy tappets on the Zetec engine in Escorts and Mondeo's. It originally had a A suffix and was a A1/B1 spec, now its up to D. Think it changed from A1/B1 to A5/B5 when the C suffix was introduced in about 2010. Its always been a 5w 30.

Edited by skidpan on 23/02/2017 at 13:02

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - jc2

Ford spec. for engine oil(for the majority of engines) is now and has been for about three years 5w/20.Our local Ford dealer charges extra if asked to use Ford oil rather than the oil they buy in bulk which does meet Ford spec..Most problems on the Zetec were caused by people using 20w/50.Ford now recommend Castrol as their oil of choice-IIRC Castrol is part of BP.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - Wackyracer

I wonder how many had excessive engine wear? A1/B1 is not known for super lubricity and as far as I can remember Ford specify A5/B5.

I do not think engine wear would have been an issue. Prior to the introduction of the DPF for MY 2011 Ceeds the oil spec was 5w 30 A3/B3 semi synthetic, not exactly a high spec oil, no better than the Ford spec.

Ford spec and ACEA spec are two different things. An A1/B1 fuel economy orientated oil is inferior in wear protection to the A3/B3. which is why Citroen said it must not be used in the old Xsara VTS models.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - skidpan

Most problems on the Zetec were caused by people using 20w/50.

The original Ford spec for the Zetec was 10w 40 which was the viscosity thay had been specifying since the early 80's for Pinto's, X-flows and CVH's. By changing the spec to 5w 30 the problems were cured.

If owners used 20w 50 that was hardly Fords fault.

Ford spec and ACEA spec are two different things

Pretty obvious, no need to tell me that. But Fords spec includes the ACEA spec wich used to be A1/B1.

Edited by skidpan on 23/02/2017 at 16:35

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - Wackyracer

Ford spec and ACEA spec are two different things

Pretty obvious, no need to tell me that. But Fords spec includes the ACEA spec wich used to be A1/B1.

The point I was making is that A3/B3 offers greater protection than A1/B1 so therefore A3/B3 offers better wear protection than the Ford spec oil that is to ACEA A1/B1.

All the data about ACEA ratings is on the ACEA website.

Edited by Wackyracer on 23/02/2017 at 17:58

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - skidpan

The point I was making is that A3/B3 offers greater protection than A1/B1 so therefore A3/B3 offers better wear protection than the Ford spec oil that is to ACEA A1/B1

All the data about ACEA ratings is on the ACEA website.

I know that but if Ford spec was for A1/B1 and is now for A5/B5 you would have to be insane to use A3/B3.

Considering this thread was started by a member who had used the incorrect spec why would you consider telling others to use a spec that Ford does not recommend.

Strange as it might appear Ford (and other manufacturers) know whats best for their engines.

Toyota Yaris - Toyota genuine motor oil or castrol - Wackyracer

The point I was making is that A3/B3 offers greater protection than A1/B1 so therefore A3/B3 offers better wear protection than the Ford spec oil that is to ACEA A1/B1

All the data about ACEA ratings is on the ACEA website.

I know that but if Ford spec was for A1/B1 and is now for A5/B5 you would have to be insane to use A3/B3.

Considering this thread was started by a member who had used the incorrect spec why would you consider telling others to use a spec that Ford does not recommend.

Strange as it might appear Ford (and other manufacturers) know whats best for their engines.

I'm not recommending ANY such thing Skidpan as you well know! My comment about A3/B3 giving better wear protection was in reply to your statement that a said dealer was using Ford oil to A1/B1 in KIA cars which require oil to ACEA A3/B3. (you said that not me!)

Just to Jog your memory you said...........

I do not think engine wear would have been an issue. Prior to the introduction of the DPF for MY 2011 Ceeds the oil spec was 5w 30 A3/B3 semi synthetic, not exactly a high spec oil, no better than the Ford spec.

If you read the ACEA data for A1/B1 and A5/B5 oils (Which is what Ford oils are) you'll find it says ............ "These oils are unsuitable for use in some engines. Consult owner manual or handbook if in doubt."

So I'll stick to what I hinted at in my earlier post and say ONCE AGAIN that using an A1/B1 or A5/B5 oil in an engine where it is not specified could cause excessive wear and that an A3/B3 oil offers better lubrication over an A1/B1 or A5/B5 oil.

Edited by Wackyracer on 24/02/2017 at 20:08

 

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