n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - focussed

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/14/general-m...t

Looks like a marketing-led campaign - I can't think that Peugeot is after their engineering expertise.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - oldroverboy.

Neither of them have cars i would buy, but you can bet yourself 5 bob that if it happens luton and Ellesmere port will close.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - SLO76

Neither of them have cars i would buy, but you can bet yourself 5 bob that if it happens luton and Ellesmere port will close.

Maybe not.. Renault have made a huge success of their overseas procurement. Nissan, Infinity and Dacia are all going great guns after decades of Renault struggling to reduce costs by moving mass production out of France and being blocked by the socialist French governments share which grants them a veto over plant closures etc. Peugeot are labouring under the same misguided draconian labour laws which nearly killed the firm off in recent years. Renault has made huge savings by pooling research, development and procurement and instead of closing Nissan's Sunderland plant they've hugely increased investment and it's no secret that PSA view Renault's success with much envy. Hopefully they'll follow their lead. I don't think GM will keep pouring money into their European arm forever and I don't see any signs of a real turnaround plan developing. Their range is bland and sells largely on discounts much of it to the fleet market. Look at Saab for an example of what happens when the American accountants running GM lose interest... a once great car firm starved of investment and left to sell reheated old generation products that were nowhere near competitive. I'm actually fairly positive about PSA's interest in the firm. Shared R & D along with savings from scale and a bit of French charisma and it might just flourish.

Edited by SLO76 on 14/02/2017 at 18:53

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RT

Opel/Vauxhall appears to make large losses year on year but get little or no credit for their FWD engineering used by Chevrolet, Buick and now Cadillac in the US and China - GM will miss that if they sell.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - alan1302

Neither of them have cars i would buy, but you can bet yourself 5 bob that if it happens luton and Ellesmere port will close.

Why's that then?

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Andrew-T

Neither of them have cars i would buy, but you can bet yourself 5 bob that if it happens luton and Ellesmere port will close.

Why's that then?

I'm sure most of us remember what happened at Ryton a few years after PSA bought up the Talbot factory. It may not happen at Ellesmere Port, but every time a new Astra is talked about, people there worry all over again. I don't suppose the game will change much if PSA take over.

I'm just a bit surprised that PSA plan to buy anything big ....

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RT

Neither of them have cars i would buy, but you can bet yourself 5 bob that if it happens luton and Ellesmere port will close.

Why's that then?

I'm sure most of us remember what happened at Ryton a few years after PSA bought up the Talbot factory. It may not happen at Ellesmere Port, but every time a new Astra is talked about, people there worry all over again. I don't suppose the game will change much if PSA take over.

I'm just a bit surprised that PSA plan to buy anything big ....

Ellesmere Port is in doubt anyway when current Astra ends - Opel has too much capacity in Germany where the govt and unions are very strong - the Sterling exchange rate isn't helping.

Apart from market share, which will fall back again when model rationalisation takes place, I don't see what PSA gets from buying Opel/Vauxhall.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Auristocrat

Platform sharing has already begun - the Crossland (replacing the Meriva) using same platform as the next 2008/C3 Picasso, and the Grandland (replacing the Zafira) with the 3008/C4 Picasso.

The current shared van range (Vivaro/Trafic/Primestar) with Renault/Nissan will be under threat from PSA's own shared range (Peugeot Expert/Citroen Dispatch/Toyota Proace).

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - bazza

Would have thught UK operations are doomed if the deal goes through, with the smell of tariffs in the air post Brexit, plus the dive in the exchange rate. European factories may benefit as a result if production is re-located. GM will be only too pleased to offload loss making divisions and retreat back into US, where they will have enough problems on their hands over there thanks to MR T. Pity, as have owned several Opels and Vauxhalls back in the 80s and 90s, but their current range is bland in the extreme.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - daveyK_UK
Peugeot / Citroen and GM already in agreement to joint develop new Berlingo/Partner and Combo

It will be a Peugeot/Citroen design built in their Spanish factory, GM will simply rebadge.

Rumour is the new vans will copy the current example of the Peugeot Partner and Citroen Berlingo which differentiate only on badge and price. Identical engines, interior, exterior (except badge) and trim options.
n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - daveyK_UK
Forgot to add, GM making less than 1000 dollars on the average Combo sale on the deal done with Fiat to rebadge the Doblo as a Opel/Vauxhall/Ram

They reckon Fiat make nearer to 2500 dollars per Doblo unit.

This explains why Vauxhall haven't pushed Combo in the UK, sale figures nowhere near the level of the previously GM produced combo

Edited by daveyK_UK on 15/02/2017 at 23:13

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - daveyK_UK

More guardian fake news, they cant help themselves

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/19/downside-...l

Is there anything they havent tried to blame on brexit?

Edited by daveyK_UK on 19/02/2017 at 21:01

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - daveyjp
The Guardian were not alone.

The Telegraph, FT, Express, Bloomberg and Sky all linked the bids to the fall in Sterling since the vote.

Its hardly fake news either as the fall in sterling has actually happened.

Edited by daveyjp on 19/02/2017 at 21:21

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Avant

Kraft Heinz have now withdrawn their bid for Unilever. Quite a relief, given what they did to Cadburys.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Wackyracer

Kraft Heinz have now withdrawn their bid for Unilever. Quite a relief, given what they did to Cadburys.

From what I heard on the radio, Unilever had rejected the bid.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - daveyK_UK

Hi daveyp,

It is fake news, the talks have been going on long before parliament voted to have a referendum on EU membership.

The guardian have twisted the story to suit their agenda

Peugeot/Citroen purchase of GM has nothing to do with brexit at all, but lazy incompetent journalists at the guardian seem to search for the latest daily excuse to blame any news that could be percieved as negative (and we know how much the guardian hates free capatalist enterprise) to spread its agenda and feed its readers another lie.

I wouldnt have a problem if the formentioned newspaper didnt bleat on about its own self importance and moral superiority. 'comments are free, but facts are sacred' - they could do with replacing sacred with scarce.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Vitesse6

Fake news - well that's alright then, nothing to worry about at all.

Did Donald tell you it was fake or did you work it out for yourself?

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - daveyK_UK

jeremy corbyn uses the term

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Vitesse6

jeremy corbyn uses the term

And your point is?

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Bromptonaut

Nothing to do with Brexit?

There is NO corporate change in cross european and US/UK business relationships in which Brexit is not a factor.

How could it be otherwise when supply and sale chains have been developed over 40 years in light of now threatened internal marke/customs union etc?

Sure PSA and GM have been co-operating for years. Can you show that merger talks were taking place for years as you imply?

Which bit of the subheadline The fall in the pound against the dollar has made it easier for Kraft Heinz to launch an approach for Unilever, and made UK carmaking unattractive to GM is false?

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RT

Nothing to do with Brexit?

There is NO corporate change in cross european and US/UK business relationships in which Brexit is not a factor.

How could it be otherwise when supply and sale chains have been developed over 40 years in light of now threatened internal marke/customs union etc?

Sure PSA and GM have been co-operating for years. Can you show that merger talks were taking place for years as you imply?

Which bit of the subheadline The fall in the pound against the dollar has made it easier for Kraft Heinz to launch an approach for Unilever, and made UK carmaking unattractive to GM is false?

Kraft Heinz have withdrawn their bid - I doubt that any GM-PSA deal cares about the Vauxhall brand or it's factories.

GM has huge paper losses from Opel for years - every time Ellesmere Port is given a choice of be more efficient or close, they (workers, unions and management) step up, make changes and gain efficiency - the same cannot be said for GM's German plants.

The real losses, or profits, will never be known publicly as Opel has to absorb all development costs itself, even for Buick/Holden derivatives, but still gets charged for using GM's IP - so paying twice.

GM doesn't understand the European car market, never has - when Opel and Vauxhall were independent, within GM, and for a couple of decades when Detroit didn't interfere Opel/Vauxhall made huge profits which kept Chevrolet, Buick and Cadillac afloat - when Detroit started interfering in Opel/Vauxhall the profits evaporated.

Expect Peugeot to close Vauxhall, Brexit or not, just like they finished off Rootes Group - they're French after all!

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - daveyjp

"The guardian have twisted the story to suit their agenda"

As I stated other news sources are available (and they covered the story) but they will all twist the story to meet their agenda. The bonus is as a reader you can always find one paper which fits your point of view, simply ignore the rest.

Regardless of the reason behind the story, the reality is bids have been made for UK companies that employ thousands. Kraft have gone away for now, but have they dropped the approach because they have decided its a bad idea, or that the deal was not good enough for Unilever?

I also expect Vauxhall to disappear. GM won't keep loss making factories if there is a bid on the table they find acceptable.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - sandy56

Vauxhall in the UK has not been a succes, and hasnt made a profit. They just dont sell enough cars. VX have been vulnerable to shutdown for years. The latest Asta is well made and well regarded but it isnt a sales success.

People have been sold a duck and buy the VW Golf instead, one of the most unreliable cars in the market place.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - gordonbennet

I'm not sure we'll see the end of Vauxhall production here, though kicking the bootlid in when they redesigned the unfacelift of Astra hasn't helped by ruining it's quietly handsome previous looks, did they recruit Toyota's ugly stick carrying designer for that facelift one wonders.

Vauxhall have always had large volume sales to the fleet and rental market, and i see no reason why with some fresh design ideas they shouldn't appeal to more private buyers/leasers too, its not as if the dealers are any worse or better than the rest, just some fresh thinking is called for and providing some decent warranties to fall in line with Korean cars.

With all the talk of Brexit, assuming it comes to pass which is by no means assured, (though thankfully poisonous Blair has chucked a self destruct grenade into the remain camp just be being there), we may yet see a resurgence of patriotic purchasing as our own industry starts to rebuild itself, which would be no bad thing...and i include all maker's who actually beuild cars here, especially the Japanese who show no signs of wanting to up sticks, despite the scare stories during operation fear.

Edited by gordonbennet on 20/02/2017 at 10:04

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RT

Looks like the Vauxhall pension scheme deficit, about $1.05 billion USD at the end of 2014 and growing, could be the stumbling block in this deal.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RT

According to Reuters, PSA and GM have reached agreement for PSA to buy Opel/Vauxhall

www.reuters.com/article/us-opel-m-a-idUSKBN16A240?...0

An announcement is due on Monday

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Fishermans Bend

Seen that on www.wheelsmag.com.au too.

Edited by Fishermans Bend on 03/03/2017 at 22:43

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RT

Seen that on www.wheelsmag.com.au too.

I imagine that arrangements over shipping Insignia II to Australia as the Holden Commodore (they shouldn't have used that name IMO) will have been part of the deal for a few years - but otherwise Holden are dependent on Daewoo and the Americans, not a good place to be.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - daveyK_UK

Still dont understand how this deal works for anyone other than GM detroit.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - bazza

Agree, it's difficult to see how PSA can turn enormous loss making businesses to profit-- . As RT says, I fully expect to see closure or downsizing of UK plants as part of it, as I understand there's spare capacity in Europe.

Whether we are for or against Brexit, the reality of a 20% fall in sterling plus the uncertainty over trading arrangements will be factors which affect decisions made in the Board rooms of businesses large and small. Businesses will simply go or move wherever there is most profit to be made over the next 5 to 10 years. Some may benefit from a UK base but the big automotive manufacturers stand to lose the most if free movement is affected, as components move back and for all the time. I believe BMW Mini are looking at their options too,

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RT

Agree, it's difficult to see how PSA can turn enormous loss making businesses to profit-- . As RT says, I fully expect to see closure or downsizing of UK plants as part of it, as I understand there's spare capacity in Europe.

Whether we are for or against Brexit, the reality of a 20% fall in sterling plus the uncertainty over trading arrangements will be factors which affect decisions made in the Board rooms of businesses large and small. Businesses will simply go or move wherever there is most profit to be made over the next 5 to 10 years. Some may benefit from a UK base but the big automotive manufacturers stand to lose the most if free movement is affected, as components move back and for all the time. I believe BMW Mini are looking at their options too,

To make it work, PSA have to be able to position Opel/Vauxhall with a different focus/emphasis to Peugeot or Citroen, which are probably too close together themselves already - if they can manage to achieve that, they'll keep their enlarged market share and gain huge economies of scale as they migrate Opel/Vauxhall models onto PSA platforms and powertrains.

It's a big risk but with big profits if it comes off.

Due to the way GM accounts for development costs and charges IP licencing costs back to brands, like all multi-nationals, we just don't know whether Opel/Vauxhall really made the losses being touted around or are creative accounting by charging Opel/Vauxhall to use their own developments.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Avant

Professor Garel Rhys, who sadly died recently, said I think in the 1990s that by the 2020s there would be just six car manufacturing companies - plus Morgan.

It looks as if his prediction is gradually coming true.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - daveyK_UK

I take the point about economies of scale, but Vauxhall/opel will be fishing in the same price and quality pond as Peugeot and Citroen (with the exception of the DS brand).

They need to make the decision to either make Vauxhall/Opel the budget brand and go after the lower end of the market (they do now with the heavy discounts, they need to be more honest and focused about it) or they make citroen the budget brand, keep Vauxhall/Opel mainstream and try and push Peugeot up into the premium section with DS.

The problem is the Peugeot and Citroen ranges currently cater for both the budget side and the aspirational side of the market, adding Vauxhall/Opel just confuses matters further.

Preditions about the death of Vauxhall and Opel may well be true, but its possible they will be taking Peugeot and Citroen with them.

Other question, who will now buy a Vauxhall? The writing is on the wall. Unless your leasing for 3 years, if you want long term ownership a Vauxhall will take on Chevrolet/Daewoo levels of depreciation once the real plans start to get publicised.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Avant

"....try and push Peugeot up into the premium section with DS."

I'm trying to think - has any manufacturer ever managed to do that? Upmarket brands have either always been there or have had to be created.

Audi was a name from the 1930s but effectively a new brand: DS a 50s/60s Citroen but again perceived as new (and even then still seen as tarted-up Citroens).

I can't see how pushing Peugeot upmarket will succeed. And it's difficult to see what they can do with Vauxhall / Opel: they will want to do it without too much delay as GM Europe has been losing money consistently, possibly because Vauxhall / Opel buyers are mainly fleets who get them heavily discounted.

Edited by Avant on 04/03/2017 at 22:56

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Nickdm

This isn't really about brands and overlapping product ranges.

This is an initiative to protect the French industrial base and safeguard French jobs. Ultimately they will feel that they are removing or neutralising a major competitor. Yes there may be cost savings in shared technology, economies of scale, product development costs, etc, but ultimately they can kill off the bits they don't want and ringfence France's best interests!

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Bilboman

Opel doesn't come across as a major competitor to PSA in France, where the Opel brand is in 9th place (68K, compared to Renault's 408K, Peugeot 336K, Citroën 195K) but PSA may be aiming to weaken competition from Opel in other markets.
As Baldrick would say, a cunning plan....

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - daveyK_UK

An expensive way to kill of 1 competitor that was losing money, market share and slowly killing itself.

A baffling decision by Peugeot/Citroen.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RT

An expensive way to kill of 1 competitor that was losing money, market share and slowly killing itself.

A baffling decision by Peugeot/Citroen.

I doubt they're simply trying to kill it - thay want the market share and then some.

The PSA-Opel/Vauxhall group together has 2.5x Ford's market share - maybe they're trying to finish Ford off?

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Avant

Market share is all very well but not much good to the group as a whole if the company producing half of it is losing money hand over fist.

I'd say the plan qualifies as 'cunning' rather than 'baffling' only if they have some ideas up their corporate sleeve that will result in the new group making considerably more money than PSA is at the moment.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Fishermans Bend

Today it's all about economies of scale. Twenty or thirty years ago Mercedes would never have scullied their name by selling re-badged/engineeered French /Japanese stuff. Manufacturers are fallling over each other to get into bed with another. We know some of these love children and relationships can be disasters.

Do you really want a French Vauxhall? Some will be too ignorant to know. Step forward Nissan buyers.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RaineMan

Just heard deal has gone through on BBC news...

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RT

Today it's all about economies of scale. Twenty or thirty years ago Mercedes would never have scullied their name by selling re-badged/engineeered French /Japanese stuff. Manufacturers are fallling over each other to get into bed with another. We know some of these love children and relationships can be disasters.

Do you really want a French Vauxhall? Some will be too ignorant to know. Step forward Nissan buyers.

We already buy British Vauxhall, German Vauxhall, Spanish Vauxhall, Polish Vauxhalls,Korean Vauxhall, there have been and were going to be again American Vauxhalls and French Vauxhalls anyway (Crossland) - so what's new.

Try buying a British-built Ford - you can't!

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - John F

I'm trying to think - has any manufacturer ever managed to do that? Upmarket brands have either always been there or have had to be created.

Audi was a name from the 1930s but effectively a new brand

August Horch created Audi (a play on his name) in 1910 - an upmarket brand name which long predates Jaguar and even Bentley....which is now really an overweight but well dressed Audi.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RT

I'm trying to think - has any manufacturer ever managed to do that? Upmarket brands have either always been there or have had to be created.

Audi was a name from the 1930s but effectively a new brand

August Horch created Audi (a play on his name) in 1910 - an upmarket brand name which long predates Jaguar and even Bentley....which is now really an overweight but well dressed Audi.

With a good platform, they can go down brand - for the record, Bentleys are built on VW platforms designed purely as a vanity project to out-class Mercedes-Benz - that's why the VW Phaeton platform is good enough to be used by the Continental and the VW Touareg platform good enough to be used by the Bentayga, plus the Audi Q7 and Porsche Cayenne.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - gordonbennet

Interesting times, how are Remainers going to spin this to make it another Brexit disaster, or blame President Trump and Sir Nigel Farage.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - sandy56

BYE BYE Vauxhall.

My most memorable VX, a 3 litre stright six VX Velox ( I think) estate, was rather quick, and was a much appreciated by the team as the favourite company car for any journey. They did sell it and got a mercedes truck/pickup instead, damm.

I wonder if JLR will be interested in Ellesmere port plant? It is looking for more production capacity.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RT

BYE BYE Vauxhall.

My most memorable VX, a 3 litre stright six VX Velox ( I think) estate, was rather quick, and was a much appreciated by the team as the favourite company car for any journey. They did sell it and got a mercedes truck/pickup instead, damm.

I wonder if JLR will be interested in Ellesmere port plant? It is looking for more production capacity.

Cowley might become available - nearer to Solihull and Gaydon

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - SLO76
I don't think Ellesmere Port will close as PSA have had an eye on Renault's success with taking production out of high cost socialist France by buying Nissan, Dacia and Lada. You might find they'll invest rather than cut here.

They'll return Vauxhall to profit via quantities of scale that will bring reduced development and procurement costs plus the UK has a huge component supply network which is more efficient than the same in France. But they will need to reposition the firms which are all directly competing with each other.

I doubt that van production will continue for long in Luton though with PSA's excess capacity at home and the costs involved into replicating that production line here. Vauxhall vans will simply be rebadged Peugeots much as Toyota's replacement for the Hi Ace is in Europe.
n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RT
I don't think Ellesmere Port will close as PSA have had an eye on Renault's success with taking production out of high cost socialist France by buying Nissan, Dacia and Lada. You might find they'll invest rather than cut here. They'll return Vauxhall to profit via quantities of scale that will bring reduced development and procurement costs plus the UK has a huge component supply network which is more efficient than the same in France. But they will need to reposition the firms which are all directly competing with each other. I doubt that van production will continue for long in Luton though with PSA's excess capacity at home and the costs involved into replicating that production line here. Vauxhall vans will simply be rebadged Peugeots much as Toyota's replacement for the Hi Ace is in Europe.

Ellesmere Port is said to be Opel/Vauxhall's most efficient plant.

Luton currently builds rebadged Renault vans - PSA may not like a competitor there, but depends on capacity on their existing van production lines.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Sofa Spud

Interesting times, how are Remainers going to spin this to make it another Brexit disaster, or blame President Trump and Sir Nigel Farage.

While the sale of Vauhall - Opel to PSA seems unlikely to be connected with Brexit, what PSA subsequently decides to do with its new acquisition might well be. The long-term future of Vauxhall in UK is uncertain anyway and Brexit only makes it more so. Future Opels are likely to be based on Peugeot mechanicals. I would guess they'd still be built in Germany and simply badged as Vauxhalls for the UK market.

I wonder if the sale includes the dormant 'Bedford' name.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 06/03/2017 at 10:39

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RT

Interesting times, how are Remainers going to spin this to make it another Brexit disaster, or blame President Trump and Sir Nigel Farage.

While the sale of Vauhall - Opel to PSA seems unlikely to be connected with Brexit, what PSA subsequently decides to do with its new acquisition might well be. The long-term future of Vauxhall in UK is uncertain anyway and Brexit only makes it more so. Future Opels are likely to be based on Peugeot mechanicals. I would guess they'd still be built in Germany and simply badged as Vauxhalls for the UK market.

I wonder if the sale includes the dormant 'Bedford' name.

PSA may want to build in the UK to offset the effect of future tariffs on cars imported from the EU into the UK.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - gordonbennet
PSA may want to build in the UK to offset the effect of future tariffs on cars imported from the EU into the UK.

Exactly RT, sales suffered badly when they shut Ryton so this might be their return strategy, i doubt any decisions about Brit plants will be made till the exact terms of leaving are made clear, even if that's a quiet conversation in a London club long before us plebs get told.

There seems to be a fresh wave of patriotism sweeping the USA, helped by a patriot leader, buying American made i suspect will feature on those who support the new movement and i wish them the very best for the future, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the same could happen here, coo you never know Sir Nige might yet do a Trump, now i'd love to see the smacked back side faces if the unthinkable happened.

Edited by gordonbennet on 06/03/2017 at 15:17

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - Fishermans Bend

If they want to push Vauxhall upmarket it could be best to ditch the brand, replace it with Opel.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - daveyK_UK

from an engineering aspect, not a bad time to buy Vauxhall?Opel

Vauxhall/Opel have recently developed the 1,6 whisper dieel engine which is far superior to the 1.6 Peugeot/Citroen put in everything they sell.

Likewise the 1,0 petrol turbo engine devloped by Vauxhall/Opel is also a good engine and a nice compliment to the 1.2 pure tech.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - RT

from an engineering aspect, not a bad time to buy Vauxhall?Opel

Vauxhall/Opel have recently developed the 1,6 whisper dieel engine which is far superior to the 1.6 Peugeot/Citroen put in everything they sell.

Likewise the 1,0 petrol turbo engine devloped by Vauxhall/Opel is also a good engine and a nice compliment to the 1.2 pure tech.

Whilst the deal allows PSA-Opel/Vauxhall to use existing engines under licence, GM Powertrain Torino wasn't part of the deal so all the engines remain with GM.

n/a - Peugeot looking to buy Vauxhall/Opel - bazza

That's right, an Opel brand sprinkled with the gernan engineering fairy dust might well push the perceived brand image upwards. I remember in my youth the Opel brand was viewed as a sort of budget German make if one couldn't stretch to a BMW or Audi. Cars like the Opel Manta GTE, the Ascona and the Kadett were all quite sporty, vaguely desirable things, much more so than the equivalent Vauxhalls. We had an Opel Kadett and loved it.

 

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