Kuga - Ford dpf removal - ste f

Hi has anyone removed the insides out of there dpf on a ford just wondering do you remove everything inside it

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - skidpan

What is the problem with it?

I presume you know a working DPF is an MOT requirement if the vehicle had one fitted at the factory. No worky, no MOT.

DPF's are fitted for a good reason. The particles are carcenogenic and I am sure you don't want to add to peoples missery with such a disease.

As far as I am concerned testing should be much stricter and non compliant cars taken off the roads.

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - RobJP

First, be aware that your vehicle will no longer comply with it's type approval, and could be prohibited from the road if you go down this route.

If you do want to do this, then you've also got to get the ECU re-programmed, otherwise it'll be looking for a DPF and not finding one, and will then go into limp mode.

An MOT check only looks at the DPF from the outside. If it looks like it should do AND it it passes the soot test AND the exhaust emission equipment is not faulting out from the ECU onto the dash lights, then you should pass the MOT.

One final point : when you come to sell the car, do be aware that it could well be the criminal offence of fraud to not tell the purchaser of your car that you'd modified the vehicle and removed the DPF. Same if you sold the car to a trader or part-ex'ed it in. The purchaser would have an absolute claim against you for rectification, at your expense.

Alternatively, get rid of the car, and buy a petrol engined car suitable for your type of journeys.

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - RT

DPF removal by others makes us VW owners feel very righteous!

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - ste f

Looks like I will have to buy a new dpf then

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - Gibbo_Wirral

CATS2U are fairly cheap. Its just one of those things you have to factor in over the long term ownership of a car, just like the exhaust.

When you consider the lifespan, it costs less than pennies per day.

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - Railroad.

It's an offence to drive a vehicle on a public road which has been modified in such a way so that it no longer complies with the emission requirements it was originally designed to meet. This would include removal or modification of the DPF or EGR system.

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - RT

It's an offence to drive a vehicle on a public road which has been modified in such a way so that it no longer complies with the emission requirements it was originally designed to meet. This would include removal or modification of the DPF or EGR system.

Specific requirements, like MoT requirements, exist but I disagree that a blanket offence applies in the UK.

The requirement is that thevehicle Type Approval is valid at time of registration - it's already clear that VW owners, in the UK, are not being forced to have modifications carried out to eliminate the dieselgate issue.

Manufacturers often update the engine ECU under warranty - it's not covered by new Type Approval.

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - skidpan

Offence or not is irrelevant. A DPF is there for a reason and that reason is the health of the public. I agree a single car will make no measurable difference to polution but if we all disregarded the law we would soon be back in the days of smog and public deaths.

Having had 2 relatives die with respiritary problems I do not wish to see a third so as I said above anyone removing or modifying factory fitted emmision kit should forfit their car.

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - Soichiro
In that case we must prosecute all the VAG owners who don't have their cars
modified.
Kuga - Ford dpf removal - RT

And all the other brands who don't sell in the US so only broke EU regulations.

And then prosecute the EU bureaucrats who dreampt up the totally unrealistic test regime.

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - Soichiro
Better off buying honest Japanese, except Mitsubishi.
Kuga - Ford dpf removal - skidpan

In that case we must prosecute all the VAG owners who don't have their cars
modified.

If the modification was made mandatory then yes, they should be prosecuted. But since it appears to be only voluntary they are doing nothing illegal.

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - Soichiro
Not illegal, just immoral.

Also it' doesn't appear to actually be illegal to remove a dpf.
Plenty of companies offering to do it, and plenty of firms offering
to dpf delete the ecu.
Kuga - Ford dpf removal - Railroad.

It's an offence to drive a vehicle on a public road which has been modified in such a way so that it no longer complies with the emission requirements it was originally designed to meet. This would include removal or modification of the DPF or EGR system.

Specific requirements, like MoT requirements, exist but I disagree that a blanket offence applies in the UK.

The requirement is that thevehicle Type Approval is valid at time of registration - it's already clear that VW owners, in the UK, are not being forced to have modifications carried out to eliminate the dieselgate issue.

Manufacturers often update the engine ECU under warranty - it's not covered by new Type Approval.

Read this then.

www.gov.uk/government/news/new-rules-for-mot-to-te...r

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - RT

It's an offence to drive a vehicle on a public road which has been modified in such a way so that it no longer complies with the emission requirements it was originally designed to meet. This would include removal or modification of the DPF or EGR system.

Specific requirements, like MoT requirements, exist but I disagree that a blanket offence applies in the UK.

The requirement is that thevehicle Type Approval is valid at time of registration - it's already clear that VW owners, in the UK, are not being forced to have modifications carried out to eliminate the dieselgate issue.

Manufacturers often update the engine ECU under warranty - it's not covered by new Type Approval.

Read this then.

www.gov.uk/government/news/new-rules-for-mot-to-te...r

I covered that in the bolded part of my post - the EGR isn't tested during a MoT - the DPF is checked for but not tested - the MoT may be failed but that's not an offence - and no blanket offence exists

Edited by RT on 09/02/2017 at 08:27

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - Railroad.

I covered that in the bolded part of my post - the EGR isn't tested during a MoT - the DPF is checked for but not tested - the MoT may be failed but that's not an offence - and no blanket offence exists

I think you'll find it does. See the excerpt below taken from the UK.gov website.

Legal requirements and the MoT test

From February 2014 the inspection of the exhaust system carried out during the

MoT test will include a check for the presence of a DPF. A missing DPF, where one

was fitted when the vehicle was built, will result in an MoT failure.

A vehicle might still pass the MoT visible smoke emissions test, which is primarily

intended to identify vehicles that are in a very poor state of repair, whilst emitting

illegal and harmful levels of fine exhaust particulate.

It is an offence under the Road vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations

(Regulation 61a(3))1

to use a vehicle which has been modified in such a way that it

no longer complies with the air pollutant emissions standards it was designed to

meet. Removal of a DPF will almost invariably contravene these requirements,

making the vehicle illegal for road use.

The potential penalties for failing to comply with Regulation 61a are fines of up to £1,000 for a car or £2,500 for a light goods vehicle.

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - RT

I covered that in the bolded part of my post - the EGR isn't tested during a MoT - the DPF is checked for but not tested - the MoT may be failed but that's not an offence - and no blanket offence exists

I think you'll find it does. See the excerpt below taken from the UK.gov website.

Legal requirements and the MoT test

From February 2014 the inspection of the exhaust system carried out during the

MoT test will include a check for the presence of a DPF. A missing DPF, where one

was fitted when the vehicle was built, will result in an MoT failure.

A vehicle might still pass the MoT visible smoke emissions test, which is primarily

intended to identify vehicles that are in a very poor state of repair, whilst emitting

illegal and harmful levels of fine exhaust particulate.

It is an offence under the Road vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations

(Regulation 61a(3))1

to use a vehicle which has been modified in such a way that it

no longer complies with the air pollutant emissions standards it was designed to

meet. Removal of a DPF will almost invariably contravene these requirements,

making the vehicle illegal for road use.

The potential penalties for failing to comply with Regulation 61a are fines of up to £1,000 for a car or £2,500 for a light goods vehicle.

So - what constitutes a modification - all the cars I've had in the last 30 years have had dealer updates to the ECU under warranty to improve "driveability" - since individual cars aren't tested for Type Approval, just a nominated specimen there's no means of testing a car after modification.

Some cars had DPF's fitted before the mandatory date, their removal would still comply with the Euro 4 regulations in place at the time.

As a result of dieselgate, many VWs have non-compliant software yet their owners are not committing an offence by not having updates done.

I don't advocate removal/disabling of EGR, cat, DPF, Adblue or anything like that - but the above regulation is unenforceable OTHER than the specific MoT test for visual component presence, smoke and CO - no other test is available.

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - Railroad.

At present the MOT requirement for diesel emission is to test for overall smoke density. The test does not identify or check individual pollutants within the smoke, however, that is not to say that in won't in future. Nor is it certain that in the future roadside checks for diesel emission won't be carried out. If that ever happens, and I accept that it is 'IF', anyone who has modified a vehicle in such a a way so that it no longer meets the emission requirements it was originally designed to meet would be committing an offence and could face prosecution. Examples of this would be the removal or modification of a DPF or EGR system.

Other than that I accept your point that it wouldn't be easy to enforce.

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - Soichiro
So probably not illegal then!
Too many if's and maybes to be enforceable.

So I'll actually answer the Op's original question.

Yes you remove the insides of the dpf.

I'm not condoning dpf removal, just answering the actual question.

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - TopScot

Ive had the DPF ripped out my taxis and they pass it's taxi test and MOT'S no problems. As far as I've been told, the MOT testers are not trained mechanics and don't have the mechanical training to actually open up the housing and check if a DPF is present or not

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - Wackyracer

Ive had the DPF ripped out my taxis and they pass it's taxi test and MOT'S no problems. As far as I've been told, the MOT testers are not trained mechanics and don't have the mechanical training to actually open up the housing and check if a DPF is present or not

MOT testers are 'Mechanics' IIRC they have to have been a mechanic for something like 4 years to do the MOT training. However, MOT testers are not allowed to disassemble anything to inspect.

They can only look and prod at things. You could take a car for an MOT with just 2 wheelnuts on each wheel with a wheel trim over the top and they can't fail it because they can't see it.

I would add, that some of them are still idiots with very little knowledge like the ones that failed my car on service brake a few months back. They had a complete lack of knowledge and couldn't even work out that 515.6 is more than 50% of 1000. Instead tried to convince me that putting bags of sand in the boot would increase the braking effort of the rear wheels even though the car does not and has never had a load sensing brake proportioning valve. Their loss as I won't use their garage for MOT's again.

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - Wackyracer

If that ever happens, and I accept that it is 'IF', anyone who has modified a vehicle in such a a way so that it no longer meets the emission requirements it was originally designed to meet would be committing an offence and could face prosecution. Examples of this would be the removal or modification of a DPF or EGR system.

Other than that I accept your point that it wouldn't be easy to enforce.

I would think there are alot of drivers/owners out there who don't have a clue that it's been done to their cars if they bought it secondhand and are not at all mechanically minded. It would be unfair to prosecute them.

Kuga - Ford dpf removal - Gibbo_Wirral

Remove the insides of the DPF and the first thing you'll get are erroneous readings from the Differenial Pressure Sensor and the car will go into limp mode.

 

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