Large MPV / van for family - notagoodname
Advice please on a secondhand large MPV / small van suitable for 3 children, 2 dogs and regular road trips with lots of luggage. Needs to last 5 years (15k miles per year) without costing a fortune in repairs.

Budget approx £10k.

I’m replacing a bullet proof 1.8 petrol Toyota Verso now approaching 200k miles - sadly not big enough anymore.

I am very wary of diesels having read through umpteen posts on this forum, but realise there must be some that are more reliable than others.

VW vans - expensive and don't seem that reliable.
Hyundai i800?
Mercedes Vito? Higher mileage examples for my price range..


Am I missing something?

Thanks.
Large MPV / van for family - corax

Citroen Grand C4 Picasso

Seat Alhambra

Ford Galaxy

Kia Carens

Ford S MAX

Volkswagen Sharan

Volkswagen Touran

Out of those I guess the Kia would be the most reliable with the best warranty. Toyota did an Avensis Verso which was big, you would be able to pick one up for a lot less.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/toyota/avensis-verso...d

Large MPV / van for family - Happy Blue!

Look for a late model Kia Sedona. Huge but with the well respected and powerful Hyundai 2.2 diesel.

Large MPV / van for family - skidpan

Carens little (if any bigger) than a Verso.

Avensis Verso ceased production probably 04 or earlier, all examples will be old and knackered by now.

Galaxy, Sharan, Alhambra best buys but S-Max may be big enough.

All I aways say, go look and make your own decision.

As for lasting 5 years/75000 miles with no big bills you are asking a lot there.

As always its down to luck with 2nd hand cars.

Large MPV / van for family - Bromptonaut

Would a post 2008 Berlingo or Partner be big enough? Three full size rear seatsand mahoosive boot.

Large MPV / van for family - jc2

Transit minibus?

Large MPV / van for family - gordonbennet

i800 or another commercial van design is where i would be looking, vans are generally designed with hard uncaring driving and abuse in mind, but rust prevention is secondary, so careful underbody inspection and serious rustproofing if you get a good one and want the vehicle to last, avoid French for the usual reasons.

Fashion in this market is going to cost big money hence i'd avoid the VW Transporter cult, Merc's Vito based MPV's might be worth a look but rust is a big problem.

The most reliable vehicle might be a Toyota Hiace or other Japanese vans, Hiace come in several guises from mini buses to campers style but the best versions are grey imports, if you find one with the 2.4 or 3.0 litre turboDiesel lumps they are bombproof Hilux engines, Hiace highly regarded by those in the know with some sister designs under slightly different model names.

Japanese (and possibly Korean) 4x4's might be an option too, again if researched and chosen well they can last many years, see how many old Landcruisers and Shoguns are still giving sterling service, not good on fuel mind.

Edited by gordonbennet on 05/02/2017 at 12:43

Large MPV / van for family - notagoodname
Thanks for all of your replies - much appreciated.

Will do some more research and hopefully come to a decision.

I think it needs to be at the bigger end of the scale so the van based route is looking good.

I really like the very new - not quite released - Toyota Proace Verso but will have to wait a few years for it to drop into my price range.
Large MPV / van for family - corax
Japanese (and possibly Korean) 4x4's might be an option too, again if researched and chosen well they can last many years, see how many old Landcruisers and Shoguns are still giving sterling service, not good on fuel mind.

How much space have the Landcruisers got with the seats down and rear row taken out GB? Would it be anywhere close to a largish MPV? HJ shows boot space but not with seats folded.

Large MPV / van for family - gordonbennet

How much space have the Landcruisers got with the seats down and rear row taken out GB? Would it be anywhere close to a largish MPV? HJ shows boot space but not with seats folded.

The 120 series (LC5) i have now feels smaller inside than the 90 it replaced, but the third row seats unclip complete with their seat belts and removed in seconds where the 90 3rd row were an unbolt jobbie, improves the luggage space considerably in either.

Rough measurements.

Third row out normal 5 seater boot space, length 105mm, width narrowest at floor level between arches 112, useful width above and behind wheel arches 137+/- 10mm as it varies, height 106mm max, rear door aperture 115 wide reducing top 95 at the top, door aperture height 97mm.

I don't have the measurements with 3rd row in cos they is in the spare room, at a guess assume they knock the boot width down to same as between wheel arches, roughly 112mm, they fold up either side to fill the rear side window spaces when up.

Second row dropped, boot space increases to about 165mm length, but roof slightly lower as my version has rear aircon ducting in the roof lining plus room for sliding sunroof to retract, again wider in front of the rear wheel arches, i don't know if the 2nd row come out easily, haven't needed to, you could probably add another 25mm+ to the load length.

I didn't measure the 90 series but it did feel bigger all round inside (surprising how much more roomy a more upright screen makes the car feel plus better visibility), though rear seat removal was far from a 30 second job.

80/100 series Amazon (or 200 series if you win the pools) better for longer loads as it's a Range Rover style split tailgate so you can extend the load bed by a couple of feet if needed, wider too but possibly a bit lower roofline, 90/120 series baby LC's have large single side hinged rear door.

Edited by gordonbennet on 05/02/2017 at 15:49

Large MPV / van for family - corax
Rough measurements.

Ah you're a good lad GB, plenty of useful information there. 90 series is my favourite (Colorado?). The side hinged door, is it a problem when someone has parked right behind you, or is the car high enough for the door to clear normally?

Large MPV / van for family - gordonbennet
The side hinged door, is it a problem when someone has parked right behind you, or is the car high enough for the door to clear normally?

In practice you will only be able to open it enough to get a carrier bag or similar through the back door, can't say as i've tried opening it over a bonnet.

Have to say i'm not entirely convinced the 120 is going to be as trouble free as the 90 was for a long easy life, more electronics and doesn't feel quite as hewn from granite, and they've gorn and removed the autobox dipstick requiring jiggery pokery to check the gearbox temp then sling yourself underneath and remove one of two plugs in the sump to check level, brakes are superb but an electronic pressure pump @ ££££ (on 100 series its several £thousand for new master cyl inc pump) sits beside the brake master cyl instead of a simple vacuum servo, signed not impressed of Northants.

yes 90 was Collie or Prado in other countries, but Hilux mk 6 is probably a more useful tool if you want a working motor and simpler.

Edited by gordonbennet on 05/02/2017 at 19:49

Large MPV / van for family - Auristocrat

Peugeot Expert Teepee

VW Caravelle/Transporter

VW Caddy Life

Vauxhall Vivaro/Renault Trafic

Edited by Auristocrat on 05/02/2017 at 15:03

Large MPV / van for family - SLO76
Do you really need something as big? A 7str Mazda 5 with 1.8 or 2.0 petrol engine is a great all-rounder and far nicer to drive than the i800 or a Vito. Auto Trader #DrivenByMe
www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20160929825...3

Edited by SLO76 on 05/02/2017 at 17:51

Large MPV / van for family - Fishermans Bend

Left of field...............Skoda Superb estate/Volvo XC90.

Edited by Fishermans Bend on 05/02/2017 at 22:30

Large MPV / van for family - notagoodname
Thanks - I like the Volvo but put off by the thought of expensive repairs with what would be, with my budget, an older and higher mileage example. I think the Skoda doesn't have three equal full sized seats like the Verso and no rear most seats when needed.
Large MPV / van for family - notagoodname
I hadn't considered the Mazda - it's a good suggestion. From photos though it doesn't seem to have three full seats in the middle row like the Verso. Fine if you've got one of the three children on one of the rear most seats, but if the boot is fully packed with luggage it looks like it would be a squash for three. I'll certainly have a look at one though.
Large MPV / van for family - S40 Man

Ssangyong Rodius

They seem very big with merc 2.7 D engine.

There will be enough room for your kids and guide dogs, but then being blind means you won't be able to see this ugly van.

HJ 2* but gets OK review on autotrader review section.

You'll always be able to find in a carpark.

Large MPV / van for family - KenMavor

Get a Toyota Avensis verso import.....look on ebay for an Ipsum.

Toyota Previa hybrid import or just a new version previa that hasn't been taken into the UK by Toyota.

Large MPV / van for family - daveyK_UK
Has to be a Ssangyong
 

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