M25 - a joy to behold - Fishermans Bend

Driving home form Goodwood Revival this multi lane highway was a joy to behold. Speed management to maintain flow. Cars travelling in lane 3 of 4 at less than 65 mph while cars gently passed in lanes 1 and 2. Such a pleasure to see drivers driving so sensibly. The M25 was truly a joy to behold.

M25 - a joy to behold - injection doc

Yeah quite normal. The best lane is the nearside lane as most normal drivers dont know what its for !

Lane discepline is so much better abroad

M25 - a joy to behold - Sofa Spud

Yeah quite normal. The best lane is the nearside lane as most normal drivers dont know what its for !

Lane discepline is so much better abroad

What, even along the bit between the M3 / M4 / M40 ? !!!

M25 - a joy to behold - Metropolis.

I'd have to see dashcam footage to believe that! Every time I use the M25 it's a nightmare, even at midday.

M25 - a joy to behold - Smileyman

was this at 1am?

M25 - a joy to behold - Fishermans Bend

7.00-8.00pm.

M25 - a joy to behold - John F

Yesterday drove down M1 then M25 clockwise J21 to J5, 8-9am; astonishingly busy but no speed restrictions or delays. Spent much time in lanes 1 and 2 gently undertaking slowcoaches in lane 3 rather than repeatedly swerving out to lane 4 then back again. It's high time we got some clarity on the acceptability of 'undertaking'. Why is it the nearer London one gets, the more stupid the drivers? I presume it was jammed up later in the day.

(And the stupid ones all seem to be of, er, a certain characteristic.....makes me wonder if they themselves have ever passed a test or whether they paid someone to take their place...)

M25 - a joy to behold - nick62

I truly believe the "middle lane huggers" think they will never be able to get out of the inside lane were they to have a sudden lapse of their stupidity and actually use it.

I have flashed "middle laners" to move into the inside lane when I have been making progress (and the outside lane has been congested). Those that actually pull-over almost always pull back out again after I have passed, even though the inside lane is clear!!!

M25 - a joy to behold - Engineer Andy

Yesterday drove down M1 then M25 clockwise J21 to J5, 8-9am; astonishingly busy but no speed restrictions or delays. Spent much time in lanes 1 and 2 gently undertaking slowcoaches in lane 3 rather than repeatedly swerving out to lane 4 then back again. It's high time we got some clarity on the acceptability of 'undertaking'. Why is it the nearer London one gets, the more stupid the drivers? I presume it was jammed up later in the day.

(And the stupid ones all seem to be of, er, a certain characteristic.....makes me wonder if they themselves have ever passed a test or whether they paid someone to take their place...)

Late evenings normally are quiet on the M25, barring major accidents/incidents.

Was on the road as well yesterday, on the way home from holiday in Cornwall - quite impressed in the main as to how (for once) they kept us moving across all lanes from the M4 jn to jn 21a for St. Albans (just after the M1). Normally, despite the variable limit, horrendous queues (I was there about 4.30 - 5pm, an hour or so later than usual due to a 1.5 hr delay in Cornwall stuck in a jam when a car overturned on the A30) abound around the M4 - M40 section.

As usual, the M5 (Bristol - Exeter section) and M4 were ok, with the exception of the usual hold ups just as the M5 crosses the river Avon. The signage operators are useless (in my view) on these roads - regularly displaying the slow to 60/50/40 well after any incidents/traffic jams have disappeared (everybody whizzing down at 70+). The HA needs to teach them better.

Still amazed (as many others are here) at how many idiots think being in the outside 'fast' lane gets them to their destination quicker in a jam - many people even change to that lane despite the 'slow' lane being practically empty for long periods, made more annoying when you get 60mph lane hoggers in the middle lane or people doing the same at 70 on clear roads (the left two lanes being free), which is often the indirect cause of holdups and accidents (drivers getting frustrated and doing stupid manouvres).

Saw quite a few of them (surprisingly not many caravan owners) on the M4/M5/A30 yesterday, probably the same folk who potter around at 30 on 60mph roads (where you can safely do min 40, more like 50+) and appear to have lost the ability to use their mirrors to check whether they have a 2 mile queue of traffic behind (some even slower than farm vehicles, who have the common sense to pull over if they are doing so over a longer journey).

M25 - a joy to behold - Smileyman

I correct me entry earlier in this thread.

M25 / Dartford Crossing section (or A282 perhaps?) - at 8am this morning northbound was a dream, in real danger of getting a ticket in the specs 50mph section (well, the traffic was moving freely), southbound clear too.

Sam juction at 5pm, southbound busy but no queue, northbound queue all the way back to the A2 and on the sliproad too.

Problem is how often do we want to travel northbound at 8am on a Sunday morning? Road is a shambles / national discrace.

M25 - a joy to behold - Engineer Andy

I correct me entry earlier in this thread.

M25 / Dartford Crossing section (or A282 perhaps?) - at 8am this morning northbound was a dream, in real danger of getting a ticket in the specs 50mph section (well, the traffic was moving freely), southbound clear too.

Sam juction at 5pm, southbound busy but no queue, northbound queue all the way back to the A2 and on the sliproad too.

Problem is how often do we want to travel northbound at 8am on a Sunday morning? Road is a shambles / national discrace.

All too often its the poor management/layout of junctions, including (and especially) the poor phasing/control (changing of phasing depending upon the time/day/manual override by HA/other local staff, if possible) of traffic lights on roundabouts/at junctions which is often to blame.

Several examples near me in Stevenage, many I'm sure on roundabouts up and down the country, where one road doesn't get the right pashing and gets snarled up quickly. Often made far worse when only half the roundabout has them and are used poorly during the peak periods.

One on my way to work is fine in the morning, terrible (but variable) in the evening peak and actively diverts people onto back streets, rather than the dual carriageway designed to take commuter traffic away from the town. Those operating/designing theses systems rarely listen when complaints are made either (however politely done).

M25 - a joy to behold - gordonbennet

I take the point about people getting into the outside lane even when its busier, it might seem counter productive but i wonder if there might be an alternative reason for some.

Mainly the regular and very frightening tailgating by lorries, now i am a lorry driver who doesn't tailgate, and i know there are more car drivers who tailgate than lorry drivers (not mitigating nor making excuses nor taking sides here, all tailgaters annoy me) but in the event of a crash you do not want to be hit up the back by a lorry in a car especially if there's a chance of becoming the filling in a lorry sandwich.

So i'll just slip this question in here, does the above observation ring any bells with how people behave on the motorway...i ask because i get the feeling that in some circs in really heavy traffic in poor conditions its almost as if some car drivers when they spot a proper lorry driver travelling smoothly with a large braking distance in front actively move to get in front of that lorry into a relatively speaking safe zone...ring any bells?

M25 - a joy to behold - galileo

I take the point about people getting into the outside lane even when its busier, it might seem counter productive but i wonder if there might be an alternative reason for some.

Mainly the regular and very frightening tailgating by lorries, now i am a lorry driver who doesn't tailgate, and i know there are more car drivers who tailgate than lorry drivers (not mitigating nor making excuses nor taking sides here, all tailgaters annoy me) but in the event of a crash you do not want to be hit up the back by a lorry in a car especially if there's a chance of becoming the filling in a lorry sandwich.

So i'll just slip this question in here, does the above observation ring any bells with how people behave on the motorway...i ask because i get the feeling that in some circs in really heavy traffic in poor conditions its almost as if some car drivers when they spot a proper lorry driver travelling smoothly with a large braking distance in front actively move to get in front of that lorry into a relatively speaking safe zone...ring any bells?

As usual, GB, your logic is impeccable: on a busy motorway, given the choice between lane one, with a good distance back to a well driven lorry, and lane 3 or 4 in a chain of Audis/BMWs/Mercs all apparently trying to read the supplier's name on the rear numberplate of the car ahead at 70mph , I'll settle for 55 mph in lane one.

Many years ago my MG Y saloon was rear ended in a queue by a Landrover, not very hard but enough to put me off the experience, so I watch mirrors diligently (as one should,of course)

M25 - a joy to behold - Sofa Spud

On busy motorways lane dodgers are as much of a problem as lane hoggers, if not more so. I mean people who move over to the left every time there's the slightest gap between lorries on the inside lane, only to pull out again a few seconds later.

M25 - a joy to behold - Bilboman

With the traffic density at near-critical level on the M25 and a few other M'ways I know, I really think it is time to investigate a "freeway" system, whereby on four lane stretches, all lanes can be used for passing, subject to a switchable "FREEWAY" sign being illuminated.
Spanish drivers can be fined for failing to indicate when changing lanes; weaving in and out of lanes; and "diving" across more than one lane at a time. Combine these three rules (which can all be monitored from traffic cameras) with a flexible, intelligent use of the "freeway" system and driving on the M25 could suddenly become a lot more bearable.
Just a thought.