Headlights - scot22

I have never had a test drive at night. How can you decide how good headlights are on specifications ?

Is there any guide as to quality ?

I appreciate as with most things there is personal choice but wondered if there was any hard information to help choose.

Headlights - Cyd

Non I know of. It's an overlooked point in press road tests (food and drink to be had at the manufacturers expense in the evenings after all).

Headlights - elekie&a/c doctor

New breed of dot matrix led headlights are really excellent.Hate to think what they cost to repair if they go wrong.You won't be replacing a bulb for a fiver in Halfords,that's for sure.

Headlights - Cyd

New breed of dot matrix led headlights are really excellent.Hate to think what they cost to repair if they go wrong.You won't be replacing a bulb for a fiver in Halfords,that's for sure.

I’ve only seen LED and laser headlights in the lab, I’ve yet to drive behind them at night. In side by side demonstration in the lab they are amazing. I expect big things when I get to try them on the road.

The big drivers are performance and safety of course, but they do have the advantage that the lifetime of the lights should exceed that of the vehicle in the vast majority of cases.

Interestingly, the Portland Bill lighthouse is soon to be converted to LED!

Headlights - Smileyman

Xenon headlights will be brighter than regular halogen, but the newer LED are supposed to the best available

However all are dependant on the beam pattern, which is very hard to evaluate unless you drive the car. Note is is possible to upgrade haloglen headlights with xenon style bulbs which are supposed to be brighter, but other than that there are only factory fitted upgrade options, if offered.

Edited by Smileyman on 16/08/2016 at 21:18

Headlights - RT

There is a new breed of economy Bi-Xenons - if they don't exceed 25w they don't require headlight wash or self-levelling.

My VW got 25w Bi-xenons as standard with an extra-cost option of 35w Bi-xenons - that was one option box I didn't tick - but I regret it now, having driven a model with the 35w, as the 25w aren't as good as halogen +100% bulbs but the 35w were superb.

Headlights - RT

HIDS4U will supply xenon conversions to replace halogen bulbs.

Headlights - scot22

Thanks everyone for very helpful posts. This forum (posters) has really transformed my understanding of cars.

Headlights - focussed

35 watt HID projector xenons are a big improvement over halogen - when I picked the Accord up to take it to france I had a long drive back at night from the Caen ferry to where we live- none of the roads are lit over here and i was really impressed - if the road is clear of oncoming traffic the main beam has amazing range.

Headlights - SteVee

>>I have never had a test drive at night.<<

Have you asked for one ? I do, and it gets a very mixed reception. Some dealers will let you have a car for a couple of days. If not, then I've asked if they have a rental that I could hire.
My 16-year old primera has HID xenons (as std) - and they're excellent. I want something equally good in a replacement.

Headlights - scot22

Good point - if you don't ask....

Thanks for the recommendation.

Headlights - Smileyman

I drive a 2004 Primera with HID Xenons, I've seen some good comments made about the LED headlight option on the Pulsar ....

regarding the low energy Xenons, here is some more information from Skoda (no doubt using the same VW technology)

http://www.skoda-auto.com/en/models/rapid-spaceback/safety/

Also information on other headlights...

http://www.skoda-auto.com/en/models/new-yeti/safety/

Edited by Smileyman on 18/08/2016 at 00:53

Headlights - Cyd

if the road is clear of oncoming traffic the main beam has amazing range.

Oh, absolutely F. The Saab 9-3 had world class lights when launched in 2003. In mine I’ve fitted Osram Night Breaker Unlimited bulbs in both HID and halogen positions. I regularly travel the Fosse Way between SW Leics and Wiltshire (home to my brother’s) and tend to travel mostly at night when the roads are quieter. As you say, the range is phenomenal, easily useable out to 400+m (which well exceeds stopping distances even when pressing on – on the track my car will stop from 150 in just 280m) with an effective reflective range easily exceeding a mile. Back in my rallying days, you had to spend big bucks on Cibies or KC Daylighters to get that kind of performance – how I wish we had headlights like todays back then!

And it’s not just the range. Light spread, beam pattern and glare are all well under control. No bright or dark spots, no wasted light heading skywards. I will never go back to a car with halogens (no choice in the wife’s C1, but then it’s hardly a ‘performance’ car, lol).

Headlights - Cyd

Note that these conversions are illegal. MoT inspectors are supposed to look for them and fail them, but many do not. And if you were to have an accident and such a conversion were to come to the attention of your insurance company …….. well, I think you know the rest.

Also note that many of these conversions are poor quality and can be outperformed by buying good quality H4 bulbs.

Headlights - scot22

Thanks for the interesting additional posts. The helpful links are very much appreciated, Smileyman.

Headlights - Smileyman

Scott22, your're welcome.

I am rather perturbed by comments made by RT regarding the lower wattage HID - much appreciate finding out at this time.

With regards to Cyd's comment about headlight upgrades, I'm pretty sure fitting of the +100 type H4 or H7 bulbs to halogen headlights woudl be road legal, but certainly fitting a HID conversion to replace a halogen unit (ie the whole headlight assembly) is not road legal.

Edited by Smileyman on 18/08/2016 at 21:11

Headlights - RT

Scott22, your're welcome.

I am rather perturbed by comments made by RT regarding the lower wattage HID - much appreciate finding out at this time.

With regards to Cyd's comment about headlight upgrades, I'm pretty sure fitting of the +100 type H4 or H7 bulbs to halogen headlights woudl be road legal, but certainly fitting a HID conversion to replace a halogen unit (ie the whole headlight assembly) is not road legal.

When I ordered the car I just took "25w Bi-Xenon Lights as standard" to be good enough but having driven the same model with 35w Bi-xenons with cornering lights there's a huge difference.

As Scot22 pointed out, it's never occurred to me to get a test drive at night as well as day time.

AFAIK, fitting +80/+100/+130 halogen bulbs is legal as long as they're E-marked, as most are - HID conversion is legal IF headlamp wash and self-levelling are fitted (or already standard).

Headlights - focussed

"Note that these conversions are illegal. MoT inspectors are supposed to look for them and fail them"

Really? This extract from the current tester's manual seems to say otherwise.

Vehicles equipped with High Intensity Discharge (HID) or LED dipped beam headlamps may be fitted with headlamp washers and a suspension or headlamp self levelling system. Where such systems are fitted, they must work; however, it is accepted that it may not be possible to readily determine the functioning of self levelling systems. In such cases, the benefit of the doubt must be given.