Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - mss1tw

My Berlingo has pretty much been the ideal vehicle for my needs - I'm a tradesman, it swallows all my tools and can be used as a car when needed.

A few faults are starting to occur now so I am sadly looking into replacement vehicles.

The thing is, nothing seems to come close! Ideally I want the same...but with a little more cachet and comfort.

I have looked into the Subaru Forester but the luggage capacity isn't enough.

An older Land Cruiser would be great but I have a feeling the running costs could mount up. Also good ones must be getting hard to find.

Pick-ups with top are a good idea in theory but I get sick of clambering around in the back of my mate's one for tools and materials

I am completely averse to tech for tech's sake, so while A.C. and remote locking would be nice, and basic stuff like remote adjust headlight level, anything else I can happily do without. My Berlingo is a 1.9D for the same reason. I would rather have a petrol than a high tech diesel these days.

An older vehicle would be fine as long as it was reliable and tough.

Cheers!

Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - daveyK_UK

The current shape Berlingo multispace (mark 2) which is a huge improvement over your Berlingo (mark 1) did not have a DPF installed until 2009.

Some 09 plates havent got one, 58 and 08 plates will definately not have one.

The 1.6 diesel is quite good provided you watch the turbo. Honest john correctly reccomends all cars with this engine (fords, volvos, peugeots, citroens, etc) to have the oil feeder pipes changed.

Its also worth noting, if you can find the lower powered version of this engine (75 bhp) it does not have a DMF.

From 09 they all had DPF's fitted. I have read reports on the owenrs forum of people hitting well into 150,000 miles trouble free regarding the DPF - how you drive, how far you drive, how long you drive all have an effect on the life of a DPF - long mileage doesnt always equate to a potential DPF will soon be required.

The new DPF cleaning technology seems to help as well with DPF peugeot/citroen use, if you do start getting problems

I would still by a Berlingo multispace with the 1.6 diesel out of warranty, they are comfortable, loads of space, mine have all been brilliantly reliable.

There are also a real bargain, wite a few 16 plates pre registered on autotrader, but the car brokers like carwow you can get some serious discounts on them brand new.

The most recent facelift from the 15/65 plate doesnt have alot of changes cosmetically (new bumper and grille style, or on top of the range models they get a touchscreen) but the 1.6 diesel now had an ad blue tank that requires topping up between every 9 - 14 thousand miles.

From what I read ad blue is no real disadvantage, just an extra £25 on top of the service charge my citroen dealer has told me.

hope that helps.

Edited by daveyK_UK on 12/06/2016 at 16:58

Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - Bromptonaut

What are the issues with current Berlingo?

We've got a 63 plate 1.6/115 just coming up to 50k miles. Current shape but for clarity I'd regard that as Mk3. Mk1 is original shape, 96-02 and Mk2 as the 03-2008 version like your and the one I taded in last year. Absolutely trouble free.

It's a generational leap from the previous versions based on C4 Picasso underpinnings. Much bigger in all dimensions; apparently all modern vans are built around various sizes of Euro-pallet. Swallows five and luggage with space to spare. Ours is XLR spec and has 3 seperate rear seats each of which can be seperately folded, tumbled or removed - I think some trims still have a 33/66 split though. It's done two long range missions to France with caravan in tow, up and down passes, no problem. Comfortable all day with caveat that my pinned hip gips unless I get seat in exactly right place. Mileage usually in forties but dramatically less when towing.

Note for towing (IIRC you tow with yours) that it's limited by Gross Train Weight. Any trailed load over 1000kg has to be deducted from vehicle payload.

Replaced my 05 'lingo with a Skoda Roomster but that would probably not suit you as a work vehicle.

Would have liked to try a Peugeot Bipper but dealers had none available. But if the rebaged version sold as Fiat Qubo was anything to go by it wouldn't have suited me.

Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - daveyK_UK

Correction to my earlier post, mark 2 should be mark 3.

as stated, the berlingo multispace remains one of the most under rated MPVs on the market, and with the big citroen discounts its an absolute bargain.

Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - gordonbennet

I agree, the C4 Pic based Berly is a superb vehicle, would have been unbeatable had they offered the proper TC auto box from C4 Picasso Lounge model but they didn't.

The only problem for the future is the DPF unless you choose the petrol option...LPG conversion?, plenty of room for a tank where the spare wheel carriers goes and only carry the spare when on longer journeys, would that be an option if you think the Diesel might give issues?

1.6 Diesel as you know needs lots of oil changes giving the makers recommendations a healthy ignoring, and i'd be wary of anything used unless i knew that car had been serviced well.

Landcruisers in good condition are fetching serious money, yes good vehicles but 90/120 series can suffer bad rear axle and localised chassis rust, not helped by owners of new not bothering to wash salt off after winters, 70/80 series pretty well bomproof but getting very old now, unless you found a Japanese direct grey import 70 series which was still being made till last year, which would probably last you forever.

100 series Amazon can cost a fortune to upkeep, electronics such as electric pump on brake master cylinder on some which is well over a 4 figure fix when it plays up, plus hydraulic suspensions which play up anther 4 figure job, again chassis rust, these must be carefully bought indeed.

Expect 25mpg normal dodging about with any LC, 30 mpg on a run at best, worse if you go for a surprisingly rapid petrol version.

Edited by gordonbennet on 13/06/2016 at 07:00

Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - mss1tw

What are the issues with current Berlingo?

The oiler cooler failed, and I believe a front spring has just gone too (Veered sharply to the left under braking and the spring that side appears to have less space between coils). Over winter the power steering also felt similar to what I remember you described - occasional heavyness from cold. It still works fine but I don't think you managed to get to the bottom of it did you?

We've got a 63 plate 1.6/115 just coming up to 50k miles. Current shape but for clarity I'd regard that as Mk3. Mk1 is original shape, 96-02 and Mk2 as the 03-2008 version like your and the one I taded in last year. Absolutely trouble free.

It's a generational leap from the previous versions based on C4 Picasso underpinnings. Much bigger in all dimensions; apparently all modern vans are built around various sizes of Euro-pallet. Replaced my 05 'lingo with a Skoda Roomster but that would probably not suit you as a work vehicle.

Maybe not, but you've given me a fantastic idea there I hadn't thought of with the Skoda Yeti - there's a 1.8T 4x4 version. (My Berlingo has averaged 38.2mpg over 20230 miles so the fuel economy hasn't got to be the 50+mpg of a diesel as I'm well used to the fuel costs now)

Agreed about the new shape Berlingos, I've been in one as a taxi and was impressed. I can't help thinking if I'm going to outlay some cash on a newer vehicle I just want that little bit extra than another box on wheels.

Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - Bromptonaut

HAd the oil cooler go on mine too. First symptom was drops of oil in coolant, quickly becoming a thick layer. Self diagnosis was CHG so a relatively cheap oil cooler was a relief. Took the thermostat out too though which was another bill.

It was power steering trouble that saw mine off. Opposite to yours though in that it got heavier after first mile or so. If I could have got a clear diagnosis I'd probably have bitten the bullet but I wasn't prepared to do rounds of increasingly expensive parts bingo.

Dealer put it through auction and I traced it via Autotrader being offered by a s/h site in Solihull. He shifted it pretty fast and looks to be still on road. Presumably he sorted the PAS issue but of course he wasn't paying retail for parts and labour. Whoever bought it got a good start as it had recent clutch and exhaust and I'd had valve clearances sorted (camshaft out job) to clear a cold start issue that's common on XUD and derivative engines.

I rather like the Yeti too. If I was forced to replace the Mk3 'lingo it would be on my list but not sure Mrs B would be so keen. Wouldn't need 4*4 though. It hardly ever snows here and caravan's motor mover solves any wet grass on pitch exit type issues.

Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - daveyK_UK

I thought the oil cooler failure only affected the 1.9 diesel in the 2002-2008 berlingo?

The main re-occuring fault on the current 2008 - onwards is with the 1.6 diesel Berlingo, the turbo needs care and regular (10,000 miles) oil changes - the same is true of this engine in the other cars it is used.

BTW, they now offer the excellent 1.2 puretech petrol engine in the Berlingo and its brilliant by all accounts.

Dealers will sell you one brand new for a little over £12k in solid colour form in the mid spec Feel trim which includes aircon and cruise control - an absolute bargain for the ammount of car your getting.

There is a test drive report on a French site which you can translate which claims its the best engine yet in a Berlingo and should be the engine of choice for all buyers unless your doing mega miles or need the 7 seater version which only comes with the 1.6 diesel in 100bhp form.

Be good if honest john can test drive a 1.2 pure tech in a Berlingo multispace.

Edited by daveyK_UK on 14/06/2016 at 20:24

Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - Bromptonaut

I thought the oil cooler failure only affected the 1.9 diesel in the 2002-2008 berlingo?

Mine was a 1.9D. Maybe some confusion as we've had both that and a 2013 current shape version. Ran them side by side for a couple of years.

Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - retgwte

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Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - mss1tw
Hi all,

Just an update - I put down a deposit on a 2003 plate 2.0 CRV with 64000 miles today.

Not what I was expecting to buy at all, but a friend suggested them, and the amount of metal for the money is superb. I'll let the oily burners continue to worry about MPG, and let you know how I adjust to driving something that can actually pull the skin off of cold custard. :)

Edited by mss1tw on 17/06/2016 at 19:57

Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - Metropolis.

Good luck!

Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - corax

I think that could be the ideal vehicle as long as it's a good one. Is it auto or manual?

For the amount you probably bought it for, the mpg isn't going to matter and it's not that bad on those anyway.

Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - mss1tw

I think that could be the ideal vehicle as long as it's a good one. Is it auto or manual?

For the amount you probably bought it for, the mpg isn't going to matter and it's not that bad on those anyway.

My thoughts exactly corax. One big diesel engine fault bill can wipe out any savings anyway. It's a manual transmission and the service history was pretty good for an older vehicle

Vehicle ideas - currently have Berlingo Multispace - mss1tw

Look forward to hearing your thoughts on your new car.

Thanks - wasn't sure there'd be much interest in a 13 year old motor!

It's lovely to waft along in, with very useable power if needed (Although just watch that fuel needle drop). First tank full averaged 28mpg, which was a mix of driving like a nun, town centres, and...progressive...driving along local dual carriageways just to see what the 2 litre petrol engine could do.

One thing I have noticed is that things have a tendency to slide everywhere on the dashboard/cubby holes - as it's a trades working vehicle and the dashboard is considered a legitamate storage option ;) I'm going to have to get some rubber sheet or something.

The Berlingo had the edge in real useable space - a sign of it's van-based origins. The CRV has more room for passengers. I know that sounds silly but it's the only way I can explain it. For example my steps fitted across the back seats of the Berlingo (Just), but don't in the CRV despite its far more accomodating rear passenger compartment. It's just a matter of finding a new system of packing it all in.

So far I have changed the cooland and PAS fluid - nice and easy on these, plus points to Honda.

Unfortunately I noticed today the A.C. was making an awful grinding noise after a while in town. At idle, and cruising on the motorway it was fine.

I wish I hadn't spent £75 on a re-gas if the compressor is about to implode - I hadn't been using the A.C, as I wanted to get it serviced first. Sod's law!

I'm hoping it's just a serpentine belt pulley or bearing...or that the compressor packs in while it's still under warranty.

The underside appears in reasonable nick, I want to get under there and give it a good coating and am currently debating ACF 50 which would need reapplying or some sort of Dinitrol treatment which needs a lot more prep and care with application.

Edited by mss1tw on 28/06/2016 at 00:03