Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - pat95

Hi. I have a Volkswagen Polo match 58 model, and i'm a newly passed driver, therefore this MPG issue is giving me a real headache as I have no idea what is wrong.

Basically i've been told that I should be achieving a minimum of 40mpg per gallon

Well i'm achieving considerably less, so i decided enough is enough and i'm going to do a solid test once and for all. I went to shell the price was 104.9 pence, on the litre, so i filled up £35 odd which was about 33 litres, and that put the tank gauge to go to nearly full. (Now i know the tank takes about 45 litres yet the little indicator thing showed full so i said fair enough i'll work out miles based on the litres i put in)

Ok so my calculation tells me for 40mpg, before the petrol sign comes up I should be getting at least 230 miles in this petrol car, however the tank gauge just hit 1/2 from when i filled up and it's only says 95 miles on the dash so i'm getting extremely worried, it is obviously not going to reach 230, if it's only done 95 miles at half, therefore their is an issue.

I've only been passed 3 months, but hey ho can any of you experienced people give me an insight into what i can do? Thanks.

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - focussed

You can't use the fuel guage to calculate your fuel consumption, they don't indicate accurately, do it like this:-

Fill the fuel tank to the brim ie until the filling nozzle cuts out.

Reset the trip mileometer to zero.

The next time you put fuel in it do the same fill technique and take a note of how many litres you put in it, and the reading of the miles on the trip meter.

Reset the trip meter to zero again for the next check

Divide the litres by 4.546 to get UK gallons.

Then divide the miles on the trip by the gallons =average mpg.

Do this every time you fill up and you can continually check your mpg.

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - Bolt

Also what size engine, is it town work, hilly, flat roads, lots stop start, or long ish runs

Ie 1.0 engines are terrible in hilly areas for fuel consumption as they have to work harder to get around, so a 1.4 is much better

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - Big John

You need to check measuring between tank to tank fills

Which engine do you have? I think a Match of this age should be the 1.4 16v 80bhp. I have almost the same engine in a much bigger Octavia 1.4 16v 75bhp that does over 43mpg on a run ( I always use higher octave fuel)

Edited by Big John on 05/04/2016 at 00:24

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - Cyd

engine? mileage? typical drive cycle?

You can't measure your mpg like that - it's not accurate, nowhere near

As Focus says above, but after the pump cuts out count to 10, squeeze again and finish on second cut off. Use as much of the tank as possible (down to the red if you can) and then refill at the same pump.

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - pat95

Thanks guys. & Yes it's a 1.4 engine, so is my way of working it out wrong then? I'll have to try the way you lot said. However i can't let the petrol run out, so can i try it from rim to like a 1/4 left, but surely i'm still relying on the petrol gauge to tell me when it gets to a 1/4?

Also one more confusion I have with the above method about filling it up then calculating it next time i fill up is i'm never going to use the full 33 litres etc before i fill up, so do I have to change that number when dividing as the person above said?

Edited by pat95 on 05/04/2016 at 15:25

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - FP

No - you misunderstand. You fill it absolutely full, note the mileage and drive it until it's nearly empty - you can go a bit lower than a quarter.

Then you fill again, noting the mileage. The amount you put in the second time needs to be checked against the mileage covered since the previous fill. (Convert the number of litres to gallons - multiply by .22. Divide the number of miles by the number of gallons.)

This way, you do not use the gauge in your calculations.

That will give you some idea. To be more accurate you should do this a few times and take an average.

Edited by FP on 05/04/2016 at 15:30

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - pat95

Ok so if i use the method above using this calculation please tell me if i'm doing this right.

Ok so i filled up 33 litres, however i'm going to calculate it until the petrol gauge reached the red bit on the gauge, so that's 1/8 of the tank therefore 4.125 litres. Consequently 33-4.125 litres = 28.875

28.875/4.546 = 6.35 gallons

Just at the red line i'm getting around 185 miles

Therefore 185/6.35 = 29.1 mpg which is way off the 40 i'm trying to get?

Please help.

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - daveyjp

Your help has been given.

Fill car to full. Reset the trip meter, or note mileage, drive car. When the fuel warning light comes on take a note of mileage, fill car to full again.

Litres/4.54 = gallons used

Mileage / gallons used = mpg

Repeat a dozen or so times and you will get a typical average for your type of driving.

Edited by daveyjp on 05/04/2016 at 16:27

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - RT

OP - Ignore the fuel gauge during calculations.

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - Engineer Andy

No - forget trying to calculate what 'might' be left in the tank - it sounds like (unless you drive in heavy traffic or thrash the car all the time) that the gauge is faulty, so all you do (as others have previously said):

  1. Wait until the gauge 'reads' 1/8th left (if there's a graduation);
  2. Buy petrol, filling it up until the second click-off as described or fully fill it (you may need to wait a few seconds the first couple of times for the air to escape and pull the hose out a bit and the fuel level to drop a bit to properly 'brim' it - the first method is better if you're not sure how to do this safely);
  3. Before leving the filling station, note down the mileage (not the trip meter) and fuel bought (if not on the bill);
  4. Run the car until the fuel gauge reads approximately the same 1/8th again and repeat 2 & 3;
  5. Repeat 3 or 4 times (minimum) using the car approximately in the same way (journey type/load/passengers).

Actual mpg calculation:

(Mileage at Last fuel stop - mileage at 1st fuel stop)/(total fuel used [add up but on final bill] except that bought at the last stop) = average miles/litre

Multiply that figure by 4.546 to convert it into miles per gallon (mpg)

e.g. (similar to mine for example - four fill ups, the last being 49 ltr [not included on calculation [only the odometer mileage reading that day)

average mpl = ( [55,200 miles - 54,000 miles] / [48 ltr + 47 ltr + 50 ltr] )

= 1200 miles / 145 ltr = 8.28 miles per litre

Therefore ave. mpg = 8.28 miles/ltr x 4.546 ltr per gallon = 37.6 mpg

Assuming yours is the 1.4 manual and you don't thrash the car/drive in too low a gear or lug heavy loads all the time, you should be getting about 90-95% (according to HJ's 'Real mpg data) of the following mpg figures, depending upon usage type:

Urban: 34 mpg

Extra Urban (fast free-flowing roads like motorways at legal speeds - they probably calculate at 60mpg rather than 70): 54.3 mpg

'Combined' (some of both the above): 44.8 mpg

Note that your '29.1 mpg' is near to the lower end of the urban range if the vast majority of your journeys are of that type. How well maintained your car is will also be a factor, as is the quality of fuel used - the bog-standard fuels get less mpg than they used to because of the EU requiring them to include a small percentage of bio-fuel (it isn't really environmentally friendly, just a sop to the green lobby) which makes the engines a bit less fuel efficient than with 100% petrol.

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - pat95

Ok thank you. Could you clarify 'note down the mileage (not the trip meter)'? Does that mean i don't reset it to 0 on the dash? Thanks. Also would this method still work if i fill it to the brim but only till it cuts out first time?

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - Engineer Andy

Either:

Use the overall mileometer/odometer (the one that shows the overall total mielage the car has done)

or

Set the trip meter to zero at the first fill up and then take the mileage off that (it should be the same as the latest odometer reading minus the original reading).

How much you fill up doesn't really matter, as long as you record the mileage and how much fuel you've bought, however it is more accurate if you can fill up to the same level in the fuel tank each time, and as other have said, each filling machine is slightly different (though probably not that much different) as to when they click off. Its the reason why I literally fill up to the brim, meaning you have to withdraw the filling hose up the pipe a bit.

For your purposes, I doubt if just filling up to the first click would make much of a difference. If you're finding your fuel gauge is very inaccurate (does it also have a working 'low fuel' [normally somewhere around 5-7 litres left on small-medium sized cars] warning light or similar indicator?), then you may wish to get it checked/fixed at your next service, depending upon the cost (not sure if its an MOT item - probably not). I suppose if yours is reading low then that's better than the other way around and possibly running out of fuel.

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - pat95

Yep the 1/8th is all the red zone, which indicates that the petrol is low and that's normally when the petrol light comes on as well.

But yeah i'll do what you said, 3 times and work it out using the correct numbers and post an update hopefully :) Cheers Andy bud you've been great help.

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - mss1tw

If you've got a smartphone just download FuelLog

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - Cyd

The fuel guage is exactly that. It guages how much fuel is in the tank - it does not give an accurate metering (unlike, for example, an electricity meter which accurately meters the elctricity used).

When you brim the tank you'll find the guage will stay at full for an age, then drops like a stone til the red light comes on, when there will be at least 5 litres usable fuel left. On my Saab (which has a bigger tank than a Polo) there is nearly 10 litres left when the light comes on - I have driven 50 miles with it on.

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - brum
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Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - jc2

My current car will run into negative "miles to zero" before it runs out.

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - steelghost

Make sure all your tyres are pumped up to the proper pressures for your car - if you're not sure what that is, try 32psi for a start (when the tyres are cold).

It's not going to make a night-and-day difference, but you only have to try riding a bike with soggy tyres vs properly inflated to realise there's an increase in rolling resistance.

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - Chrome

Also check for dragging brakes (calipers can sieze - we have had quite a wet winter!) and also when was your car last serviced? If the airfilter is dirty and the valve clearances are out then your mpg will suffer.

Volkswagen Polo Match 2008 - Big MPG issue giving me a migraine - pat95

I just bought the car myself however it had done 106k on the clock. Previous owner only provided part serivice history, so i'm unaware at the moment. However i am going to take it to a garage and get it checked out, either that or i might have to do a full service.