L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - oldroverboy.

I know that our motorway system is almost a breaking point, and it already unnerves me when I pass (VERY carefully) a Learner on the A12.

Surely the idiot in charge of this idea should stipulate after how many lessons and at what time this should be allowed.

Fancy a bit of extra gridlock anyone because someone has not yet learned clutch control?

And really, giving a discount to those who pass first time?

How about a minimum number of lessons and the first 20 hours being subject to some sort of assessment?

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - RT

The number of lessons needed is vary variable, anywhere from 10 to 110.

The proposal would only permit this with a ADI instructor in a dual control car.

If you didn't permit this we'll never improve motorway driving standards!

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - alan1302

I think it's a great idea. Learners should get practice on motorways.

And if it's with a driving instructor I don't see what the problem is? There is no carnage on all the other roads...if anything I'd rather follow a learner with an instructor in as they are at least likley following the rules.

Edited by alan1302 on 21/12/2015 at 21:30

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - Mike H

I think it's a great idea. Learners should get practice on motorways.

And if it's with a driving instructor I don't see what the problem is? There is no carnage on all the other roads...if anything I'd rather follow a learner with an instructor in as they are at least likley following the rules.

+1. Newly-qualified drivers can currently hit the motorways with no experience whatsoever. This change is long overdue, don't knock it.

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - focussed

The problem is, as usual, a government interfering with something it doesn't really understand, but won't actually do anything radical to alter the situation.

It was reported that this initiative, to allow provisional licence holders to be allowed access to motorways when accompanied by an authorised driving instructor, would be on a voluntary basis. So if you don't want to do it, and pay for the opportunity to gain the experience, you don't have to.

If this is introduced it will go the way of Pass Plus - a very small proportion of those newly-qualified drivers took it up-usually to qualify for an insurance discount for their own car.

Despite having the most stringent qualification procedure ,licencing, testing and regular re-testing of driving instructors in Europe, any Tom Dick or Uncle Harry who has held a licence for three years and is over the age of 21 can teach anybody to drive in the UK, no mandatory minimum professional tution required at all-so the government should sort this out first with a minimum 20 hours professional instruction required before allowing private practice with Uncle Harry.

As for the "I predict carnage" heading Old Rover Boy- no ADI is going to take a pupil onto a motorway unless they know that the pupil has enough experience to be able to handle the situation!

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - Ethan Edwards

M way's? Why? They are our safest roads. Why not concentrate where the accidents actually happen rural roads after dark with a car full of their peers.

That's government for you. Find a problem that doesn't exist and make new laws to fix the non problem while ignoring the real problem. Then bang a speed camera in a daft place..job done!

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - Ethan Edwards

What about places that have no mway's?

My wifes instructor took her on a m'way lesson after her successful test. That's more sensible.

Why not night driving lessons?

Address the real issues not imaginary ones.

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - alan1302

What about places that have no mway's?

If there are none then you won't go on any!

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - RT

The problem is, as usual, a government interfering with something it doesn't really understand, but won't actually do anything radical to alter the situation.

It was reported that this initiative, to allow provisional licence holders to be allowed access to motorways when accompanied by an authorised driving instructor, would be on a voluntary basis. So if you don't want to do it, and pay for the opportunity to gain the experience, you don't have to.

If this is introduced it will go the way of Pass Plus - a very small proportion of those newly-qualified drivers took it up-usually to qualify for an insurance discount for their own car.

Despite having the most stringent qualification procedure ,licencing, testing and regular re-testing of driving instructors in Europe, any Tom Dick or Uncle Harry who has held a licence for three years and is over the age of 21 can teach anybody to drive in the UK, no mandatory minimum professional tution required at all-so the government should sort this out first with a minimum 20 hours professional instruction required before allowing private practice with Uncle Harry.

As for the "I predict carnage" heading Old Rover Boy- no ADI is going to take a pupil onto a motorway unless they know that the pupil has enough experience to be able to handle the situation!

MINIMUM of 20 hours - some of us can learn to drive very competently in 10 lessons and zero family/friend accompanyment.

Use the current test as a "provisional" licence to drive a small lower-powered car and then make the real test much, much harder than it is now - yes, it'll cut the numbers passing by half but that only be a good thing.

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - Wackyracer

I only have one comment to make about it - Maureen Rees on a dual carriageway - enough said!

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - nailit

and could mean more R0nn1e P1cker!ngs........ :-)

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - focussed

"MINIMUM of 20 hours - some of us can learn to drive very competently in 10 lessons and zero family/friend accompanyment."

Based on my records from when I was an instructor -

Learn to drive a vehicle ie start/stop/clutchcontrol/change gear steer properly - possible.

Learn to drive to test standard (which means using my car) in 20 hours - you must be joking.

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - skidpan

Back in 1974 I had 17 lessons and a fair bit of time with dad in his car. From starting to passing first time was 5 months.

Could I drive, the examiner thought so but that was on routes I had practiced.

Could I drive competently and safely, doubt it.

Got a car about 6 weeks after I passed and started learing to drive.

Driving the same routes week in, week out does not relate to the real world.

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - oldroverboy.

My own point of view is that there should be some real level of competency before a Learner is allowed onto a motorway with a suitably qualified instructor, but

How about the liability and who IS or WOULD be responsable in case of an accident (heaven forbid) (Insurance premiums anyone)(I thought he/shewas competent your honour!) Needs to be thought out a bit methinks.

When we came back to live in the UK, youngrovergirl did not have a uk licence but was able to drive for 6 months on her foreign licences. (for a time she had 3 plus a uk provisional.)

I got her a couple of trial lessons with the AA and he said that he couldn't teach her much, but plenty of driving practice would help. So for a few months i made her drive everywhere except on the motorways, choosing quieter roads as much as possible. When she felt up to it we booked a block of 12 lessons, 10 + 1 free + 1 for the test. (she sailed through the theory as she revised revised revised...)

The examiner asked her after a few minutes how long she had been driving and why was she taking the test as he remarked that she "seemed" to be unusually competent for a learner. Brief explanation given and accepted,

Passed (naturally)

However she is one of those that i do not enjoy driving with when I am a passenger.

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - Bromptonaut

I think it's a good thing to get learners on the motorway towards the end of their training. As stated above they're actually safe and straightforward to use. The features that made them different back in the sixties; multi lane, grade seperated junctions with filter slip roads are now on any decent sized town's ring road.

Several places in Northampton including Barnes Meadow and Queen Eleanor interchanges are more challenging than entering the M1 at J16 and leaving at 18. If you take that back to J15 the A45/A508 junction thedifficult bit more than the motorway itself.

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - alan1302

How about the liability and who IS or WOULD be responsable in case of an accident (heaven forbid) (Insurance premiums anyone)(I thought he/shewas competent your honour!) Needs to be thought out a bit methinks.

Same as whenever a learner has an accident anywhere.

L drivers on motorway - I predict Carnage.... - grumpyscot

The only troouble with learning to drive on a motorway is: You ned to be near a motorway! My mate lives 375 miles from the nearest motorway (The M9) and needs a 12 hour ferry ride to get within 100 miles of it!

And someone else I know lives a mere 35 miles (as the crow flies) from a motorway but by road it's 165 miles!

Even driving on dual carriageway would be an experience for either of them, since there are none within 12 and 2 hours respectively.

Which, I suppose, is why they avoid driving when away from home.