Smart Brabus 2005 Four2 - Overheating - DTAL

Hi,

my wife has a Smart Brabus 2005 that despite having a new water pump and thermostat, is still having overheating problems.

Any ideas?

Do these get airlocks regularly?

Smart Brabus 2005 Four2 - Overheating - galileo

Hi,

my wife has a Smart Brabus 2005 that despite having a new water pump and thermostat, is still having overheating problems.

Any ideas?

Do these get airlocks regularly?

Has the radiator been flushed? Could be partially blocked, presumably you have checked that the fan works as it should?

Smart Brabus 2005 Four2 - Overheating - DTAL

Yes fan worked. The garage have now diagnosed a blown head gasket, after doing an engine test. For some reason they did not do this test first time round.

I now need to know what duplicated work will be done now so I do not pay twice.

Any comments/advice?

Smart Brabus 2005 Four2 - Overheating - galileo

Yes fan worked. The garage have now diagnosed a blown head gasket, after doing an engine test. For some reason they did not do this test first time round.

I now need to know what duplicated work will be done now so I do not pay twice.

Any comments/advice?

The water pump and thermostat may have been perfectly OK, but no way of proving that now, the garage could argue they are now new and should last the life of the car.

You can argue that a proper sniff test of coolant would have identified the gasket failure; fixing that may have shown the pump and thermostat were good and didn't need replacing.

I think I'd ask for the labour charge on replacing those items should be waived (but they'll probably just add the time to the headgasket job).

Good luck with your negotiation.

Smart Brabus 2005 Four2 - Overheating - DTAL

The thermostat had stuck and the water pump had a bit of play, so I'm happy with that. What I am unsure of is the labour hours for doing the entire job (stat, pump and head gasket) compared with the first job (stat and pump), so I do not pay twice for a duplicated work.

Any offers?

Smart Brabus 2005 Four2 - Overheating - RobJP

No duplicated work will be done. The head gasket is completely different, and any work on it unrelated to, the water pump and thermostat.

It all depends really. The old water pump and thermostat might well have been knackered, and that is what had damaged the CHG. The garage found the waterpump failure and replaced it, and (reasonably) assumed that the problem would then have been fixed.

You would have to show that they did NOT act with 'reasonable care' to have any sort of claim against them.

Smart Brabus 2005 Four2 - Overheating - DTAL

They showed me the stat and it had stuck and said while they were doing the stat it made sense to replace the pump because of the play despite the fins all being ok.

Somebody told me that the lowering of the engine to get at the stat and pump will be duplicated and I should not pay twice for that.

Not sure if this is right or whether there are some other things they will have to do twice now.

The other thing is that if I had known the total cost of all the work at the start, the decision may have been to not bother due to it not being economically viable.

Further thoughts?

Smart Brabus 2005 Four2 - Overheating - RobJP

If you want absolute guarantees, when you take in a car, that replacing part X WILL fix it, then I'd suggest you are living in cloud cookoo land, especially with a 10 year old car.

It looks to me that the failed thermostat and water pump probably led to the CHG failure. The garage looked at the car, found those parts had failed, and, trying to keep YOUR costs down, replaced those parts. They can't reasonably be expected to have 20:20 foresight.

If they'd carried out a sniff test, and found that the CHG was fine, they'd be presenting you with a bill for un-needed diagnostic work. Would you be complaining about it if that was the case too ?

Smart Brabus 2005 Four2 - Overheating - DTAL

Thanks for the responses.

I have just returned from picking the car up. They are a main dealer for Merc and Smart and have looked after my cars and my wife's cars for 25 years. They accepted that they should have tested the head gasket on the first visit and they accept also that they should know the car as well as anybody due to its regular services with them. They gave me discounted labour and parts rates which was acceptable to me.

I just hope now that the problem is solved and I don't have to keep ferrying the wife around to various Next shops now - she can go on her own.

Smart Brabus 2005 Four2 - Overheating - gordonbennet
I just hope now that the problem is solved and I don't have to keep ferrying the wife around to various Next shops now - she can go on her own.

Now that i have every sympathy with.

I'm very lucky in that dept, SWMBO hates shopping as much as me, but as we've touched on the subject can someone answer me a question please.

Some chaps i know have to undertake long journeys circa 100 plus miles, often on Saturdays, to the depths of hell, otherwise known as retail parks, their wives then drag them around identical shops selling identical Chinese and Indian made junk to the ones in their home or nearest town...whats that all about? why do they need to do this?

Smart Brabus 2005 Four2 - Overheating - focussed

Some chaps i know have to undertake long journeys circa 100 plus miles, often on Saturdays, to the depths of hell, otherwise known as retail parks, their wives then drag them around identical shops selling identical Chinese and Indian made junk to the ones in their home or nearest town...whats that all about? why do they need to do this?

The reason they need to do this is because they need lessons.

Lessons in elecution.

Learn to say:-

NNNNNNNN

OOOOOOOO

Then put it together and say NO.

Smart Brabus 2005 Four2 - Overheating - RobJP

DTAL : glad to see that the garage has done right by on this. Excellent of them.

HJ does have a 'Garage reviews' section, and obviously the more who provide their experiences, the better.

As to being dragged around the shops ... well, that's another thread entirely ! I've got the dreaded visit around Chester on Saturday.

Feels like the walk to the gallows ....