Congestion - Radical Solutions - Marcus
There is a tendency in the Backroom for contributors, including myself, to take the easy path of defining the problem rather than suggesting workable solutions.

The problem with traffic congestion in our towns and cities is very easy to define. Too many of us want to use our cars on roads that cannot, and will never, cope with the amount of cars we would wish to use.

The solution is also easy to define - we have to be deterred from using our cars. But how to we do that?

It seems to me that it will take draconian measures to achieve this. For instance:

A huge(say £30) daily congestion charge to enter towns.

2 Bus lanes each way, where possible, into town with savage penalties for any car that enters them or vans that use them as their unloading bay.

As someone who uses my car to drive into central London each day I am clearly not one of the anti-motoring fraternity and equally clearly I am part of the problem. I rarely use the bus as it is even slower, unreliable and uncomfortable. Frankly I will use my car until it becomes untenable.

So Backroomers what radical measures should the government take to solve the problem of congestion?
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Mark (RLBS)
Maybe look at it the other way around....

What type, style of transport would tempt you from your car on a regular basis ? Forget for the moment wheher that is practical, likely, or impossible that such transport should exist.

Having worked out what your minimum requirements would be, then allow practicality to creep in - is there any chance at all that such transport coudl realistically be put in place ?

I suspect that for many people the answer is probably no.

Given that, then clearly people cannot be enticed from their car, they can only be forced from it.

The fee for using the town centre could so easily work if they considered massive, secure, park & ride car parks on the outskirts.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Tom Shaw
A huge congestion charge to enter towns? Stuff those who are not well off, in other words, and take us back to the days when only the rich could afford a Horseless Carriage and the rest geared their lives to going no further than the corner shop every day.

Perhaps somebody should look past the myth that growth in car use is infinate - it is not, and is almost at it's peak now, with most of the adult population who want to drive already owning cars. Why doesn't somebody take a radical look at our road system and try and come up with a long term solution to ease traffic congestion, by investing in schemes such as underpasses long enough to bypass towns and villages? It would cost billions, but so does the improvement of a public transport system that few people will use by choice.

The roads are congested because road development has not kept pace with the growth in car use, and development would not mean just putting in new roads, but improving those we already have. Removal of bus lanes and a return to two man bus crews would have an immediate effect on London alone.

Congestion - Radical Solutions - Dwight Van Driver
There was a programme on local radio recently on this very subject and a contributor, obviously applying lateral thinking, came up with a suggestion that I thought had a lot of merit.

We should all pay a premium to Local Authority who should provide bus services free. If necessary a grant from HMG should top the fund up.

Result a massive increase in people using buses.

It works for Police, health and Fire service so why not.

DVD
Congestion - Radical Solutions - teabelly
Even free buses wouldn't get me on them. Most of the time they don't go where I want to go and take 3 times as long to get there. To get to work on the bus I would have to take a bus into town then one onto campus. Taking around 50 minutes in all. Bearing in mind it is less than 2 miles away, driving (10 minutes) or walking (20 mins) are the two quickest methods, the latter being the preferred in good weather.

Free buses would never happen as the government would lose far too much revenue from the motorist and they ultimately want us in our cars to keep their finances in order.

To get me on a bus I would need one that arrives when I want it, and goes where I want with minimal detour and isn't full up with people with BO. My own private car is a better solution at the moment.

I think we should concentrate on having more, but smaller cars that produce far less pollution for city use. The car to use for everyday local motoring is not the best car for motorway driving so perhaps either people need to be encouraged to have two cars or maybe rent larger cars for longer journies. For city dwellers it should be cheaper so it would make more sense to have a green city car and rent a proper car for long journeys. The only problem then is one of where to park the cars so perhaps some car park building could be done within a few miles ofresidential areas where the long journey cars could be kept safely and securely and people would take their green cars over there to leave when they needed their long journey cars. These car parks would need 24 hour security so it would create quite a few jobs if there were one of these for every town.


teabelly
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Flat in Fifth
To answer both Mark RLBS & DVD.

Years ago I lived in the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire.

We had a subsidised public transport system, and I would hazard a guess that it was this which set Maggie Thatcher off on her bus deregulation crack.

Used to be able to walk out of my flat on the SW side of Sheffield and catch a bus all the way to work near M1 J34 for.......17p. Or into the city centre for 10p. Consider this was a time when statements were made like "petrol will never be £1/gallon, motorists just won't pay it."

No need to look at timetables as you knew a bus would be along in five minutes. If it was full another one along in a couple of minutes. The amount of the public which used them was excellent.

When I got married one of the primary considerations as to where we lived was the available public transport. Talking to others we were not alone in that.

Of course we paid more in rates, but to me the prospect of paying a relatively paltry sum was well worth it IMHO.

Of course one of the leaders of Sheffield Council at that time
was a certain Mr Blunkett. No comment there.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - nick
I think that is the way forward, Flat. I'd propose large secure cheap or free carparks on the edge of towns and a decent public transport system such as you describe so both commuters and residents have no need to take cars into town and city centres. I'd also take another look at the rail system. Competition hasn't worked, as there is no real competition except from other forms of transport. It is a natural monopoly so one train operator makes sense, privately run with a tight contract and a long franchise to make investment worthwhile. Hefty penalty clauses for poor performance and big incentives for good performance. Investment in high speed lines too, so air travel within the UK is not required. It is incredibly energy inefficient to use aircraft for such short trips and not much quicker either if you include check in times and the time to get from/to the airport. Perhaps less need then for yet more runways.
Radical solutions need to be considered, we really can't go on as we are. The trouble is, would anyone vote for it? We all want less cars on the road so that our journey is easier!
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Baskerville
Flat, I remember it well. A similar system existed in West Yorkshire that integrated bus and train. Maximum charge in the mid-1980s was 50p and that was for a journey of up to almost eighty miles. As you say, the best thing was that if one bus was full, you knew another would soon be along. This was one reason why I didn't learn to drive until I was well into my twenties. There was just no need. I lived in a rural area too. The decline when deregulation came along happened almost over night.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Homme van Blanc
DVD said "We should all pay a premium to Local Authority who should provide bus services free. If necessary a grant from HMG should top the fund up."

Almost a good idea!

On top of the £40+ billion we motorists pay in various taxes to the exchequer, to be squandered, you think we should pay more?
Congestion - Radical Solutions - BrianW
IMHO the whole principle of many subsidies is flawed.

Why should all pensioners get free or reduced bus travel?
Many pensioners are paying income tax and rates (sorry: community charge), yet never use the bus.
So they are subsidising their next door pensioner mates who do use the bus.

Without subsidised commuter rail travel employment would be more evenly spread around the country.

Let people spend money how they want, not how the Government thinks is good for them.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - volvoman
I've said this before and will say it again. I think all drivers need to act more responsibly and seek to use alternative means of transport a bit more often.

Many journeys are short and could be easily undertaken by bus for example but people have been conditioned to jump in their cars rather than to consider the options.

I'm not saying that everyone has a choice but many people do and simply take the easy option of driving everywhere. These same people then whinge on about how many cars are on the road and how hard it is to park anywhere ! We can't have our cake and eat it. Either we drivers act more responsibly and use public transport a little more often or people like Red Ken will ensure our right to choose is eroded further.

What's it to be then people ?

Congestion charging isn't the only issue either. More councils are opting for controlled parking schemes which have the same effect. Yep - you can drive to Orpington if you like but just try and park !!
Congestion - Radical Solutions - volvod5_dude
I hate shopping, I hate driving to my nearest city of Worcester especially this time of the year. Shopping on the internet is my solution to being stuck in congestion, I can sit in my comfotable home with no hassle (except the wife and kids), no irritating people/drivers, and a nice glass of Jack D. With the click of the mouse I can buy virtually anything I want, and it's usually cheaper. Did all the Xmas shopping in under an hour. Sorted!

Cheers

VD5D.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Flat in Fifth
So VD5D I can agree in principle about shopping, especially this time of year, but out of interest when you go to Worcester do you drive and park in the city centre or use the Park & Ride?

£2 for all day park on a Sat and up to 5 passengers bus to City Centre. Not much wrong with that IMHO.

Congestion - Radical Solutions - volvod5_dude
FiF,

Neither of those, as I am a customer I park at the Volvo dealership in Carden St (by Kwik Fit). A short walk across the City Walls Rd and I'm in the city centre. I very rarely pay to park in Worcester.

Agree the P&R is a good idea (if you can't park elsewhere) problem with Worcester the P&R only operates at Xmas, a bit short-sighted in my view. When I worked at Oxford Uni I always used the Peartree P&R on the west side of the city as its nearly impossible to drive in and park, it was only 40p return then, I don't know what it is now.

Cheers

VD5D.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Flat in Fifth
"problem with Worcester the P&R only operates at Xmas"

sorry P&R operates year round, at least from our side which is from the north. Does longer hours at Christmas.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - volvod5_dude
FiF,
Yeah, that's ok if you are coming from the north but Perdiswell P&R is a long detour for me, I enter Worcester from the east on the A44, I was thinking about the one at County Hall, which only operates at Xmas.

VD5D.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Clear Spot
Internet shopping good solution - Have to persuade SWMBO though - done it a few times - Tesco and Waitrose and she wasn't very impressed. Better for consumer goods.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Tim
Tend to disagree with Volvoman's sentiments and disagree with HJ. Most recent form of congestion charging seen in Durham which according to stats on footfall through retail areas etc has actually led to an improvement in the area in financial terms and made the street a far more pleasant environment. Admit this example is not a good one to compare with others as not a comprehensive system. However cities on the continent such as Copenhagen which have undertaken a strategy of reducing levels of parking and basically banning most cars from the city centre have also seen it become a far better place with much higher returns for investors too.

On the fundamental rethink of transport policy, I work in a city which is presently introducing a P & R system with the eventual aim of redeveloping city centre car parks for other uses. In addition we are not providing parking permits for street parking or on site parking on developments which are considered to be well located to existing public transport infrastructure. Pretty fundamental policies already in place me thinks???

Town Centres should not continue to focus on making life as easy as possible for the car at expense of pedestrrians.... as has been transport policy up until now.

Congestion - Radical Solutions - BrianW
"Town Centres should not continue to focus on making life as easy as possible for the car at expense of pedestrrians.... as has been transport policy up until now"

I've got nothing against town centres being given over to pedestrians, so long as an alternative route exists for through traffic and there is a genuine choice in how to get to that town centre i.e. good bus services plus central car parking or park and ride.

Where the transport mix is wrong town centres tend to become specialised and only visited for those services. In our town centre clothing shops, departmental stores, night clubs, banks/building societies and estate agents abound. All the grocers, hardware shops, electrical retailers and suchlike have moved to out-of-town retail parks where easy access can be obtained by car.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Soupytwist
Do you live in Chelmsford, or is every other town centre in the UK like that as well ?


Matthew Kelly
No, not that one.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - BrianW
On the outskirts of Chelmsford.
Nice to know my word-picture was recognisable, though.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Soupytwist
Thankfully I live near enough to the town centre to walk, only taking the car when I need to collect something heavy (which I did last week on the way to somewhere else, now that was an unpleasant experience).

I also drove in recently because I calculated that it would be cheaper to use a town centre car park for a couple of hours rather than keep putting one hour duration parking permits on my car (which I haven’t bought a resident’s permit for) in the absence of the four hour ones the council had said they’d send me two weeks earlier but hadn’t turned up.


Matthew Kelly
No, not that one.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - volvoman
Tim (my namesake) I don't disagree with what you've said. In Orpington a few years ago they pedestrianised the High Street and it was a much nicer place to be. The forecasted calamatous drop in shoppers didn't happen and traffic chaos didn't result but the scheme was abandoned after about 6 months.

We can all talk about building more roads but are we prepared to pay the price and where are all the cars people would like to drive going to park ?

Surely the easiest thing is for people to try to use alternatives where they can and stop relying on their cars for every journey no matter how short.

So let's all be honest now and ask ourselves how many times in the last month, say, have we used our cars for journeys that weren't really necessary, could have been avoided with just a little foresight or could easily have been done by some readily available alternative (inlcuding using our legs) ?

How much less congested would the roads be if we all decided to use our cars that amount less ?

How much would doing this cost and what would be the environmental downsides ?

Sure, it wouldn't be a total solution but it would help a great deal.

I have a car, like driving (when conditions are good) and would never be without one by choice but that doesn't mean I have to use it everywhere I go.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - BrianW
Before looking at radical solutions why not look at the simple one, like taking through traffic out of towns and local traffic off motorways?
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Carmad 10000
Well, to cut congestion i think old people should be looked at majorly - They lose all control of their vehicles when they get old in most cases and should have to take a test every year...this would reduce the number of cars on the road significantly....

a guy i was talking to who is an engineer feels that when more and more cars are introduced onto the roads the roads will be solid with traffic and there will be one large train pulling all the cars along like carriages.....IMO this is a load of rubbish but he wasnt joking! lol
Congestion - Radical Solutions - volvod5_dude
"Well, to cut congestion i think old people should be looked at majorly - They lose all control of their vehicles when they get old in most cases and should have to take a test every year...this would reduce the number of cars on the road significantly...."

Ageism in my opinion is as reprehensible and unacceptable as racism and sexism. Senior members of society have the right to enjoy their freedom the same as anyone else. I think a test every year is a step too far, regular medicals yes, which is a sensible precaution for everyone.

Don't forget we'll all be "old" eventually.

VD5D.


Congestion - Radical Solutions - Micky
">Well, to cut congestion i think old people should be looked at majorly - They lose all control of their vehicles when they get old in most cases<"

And there I was thinking that young drivers were statistically more likely to crash than older drivers .. thanks for putting me straight Carmad ....
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Burnout2
I have what would seem to be a 'radical' solution, if not yet actually classified as heresy by Alistair Darling. Since last year apparently saw the first 12 month period in over 40 years where not a single yard was added to the motorway / A-road network, would it be too absurd to suggest that an increase in capacity - ie: investment in a major widening programme - might be overdue?

The long-standing 'predict and under-provide' policy stinks of anti-democratic social engineering. In fact it's almost totalitarian in its thinking; make the day-to-day experience of driving unbearable enough and people will not merely consider other forms of transport, they will actually travel less!

In other words, people are being asked to accept significant curtailment of their personal freedoms for some undefined greater good. It doesn't even work! Trains could run at 10 minute intervals, petrol could quadruple in cost, average journey times continue to increase, and I would still refuse to give up the comfort, convenience and privacy of my own car.

The argument for `road charging', is built on the absurd premise that the roads are currently `free'. I have a strong suspicion that the one positive outcome of the Central London congestion charge will be to wipe this particular idea, which is almost entirely about revenue raising anyway, from the political agenda.

So, here are some of the principle arguments against widening motorways and selected A-roads...


1. It will cause massive environmental damage

I don't agree - the negative environmental impact of widening existing roads has been hugely overstated, and is certainly far, far less than building new routes. Reducing the incidence of 30-mile tailbacks on the M25 or M6 can only be good for the environment.


2. It will do nothing to solve the problem of urban congestion

Actually, improving traffic flow on major roads will do a great deal to divert non-local traffic away from town and city centres. My own commute to work is a clear-cut choice between two routes - one mostly B-roads & towns, the other all motorway. It's the same for many others.


3. Traffic levels will instantly increase to absorb all the new capacity

The kind of idiocy that spouts unchallenged from the mouths of anti-car presssure groups. It will do no such thing. Journeys are undertaken on major routes through necessity, not on an idle whim. There is no great army of potential new car users waiting to take to the roads, and the relatively small additional volumes of diverted urban traffic should be easily accommodated.


4. It will divert resources away from badly need improvements to the public transport system

Why should it? The UK manages to invest about half what the other major Western economies do in its road network, and we certainly don't enjoy significantly lower taxation.

Yes, public transport requires greater investment, but over 90% of all traffic is carried by the road network, so it makes absolutely no sense to starve it of cash at the expense of other parts of the transport infrastructure, or vice-versa. Try halting the growth of the vast social security budget to find the resources.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Mark (RLBS)
to cut congestion i think old people should be looked at majorly


Why not, what a good idea.

Of course, there is the slight issue with the fact that they have less accidents than younger people, less traffic offences than younger people and don't tend to drive at rush hour, as younger people do,and therefore overall cause *much* less congestion than younger people, typically can afford more reliable cars than younger people and are thus less likely to breakdown, and have spent many more years paying Road Fund Licence and other taxation funding the roads.

But other than that.............
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Boff
Of course, there is the slight issue with the fact that
they have less accidents than younger people, less traffic offences than
younger people and don't tend to drive at rush hour, as
younger people do,and therefore overall cause *much* less congestion than younger
people, typically can afford more reliable cars than younger people and
are thus less likely to breakdown, and have spent many more
years paying Road Fund Licence and other taxation funding the roads.
But other than that.............


Why not look at it the other way and ban anyone under the age of let's say 21 from the road.. that would get rid of the most accident prone and irresponsible subset, then we'd only have the very old & slow and the white van crowd to look out for..

Boff

My wife says I don't listen to her, or something like that
Congestion - Radical Solutions - BrianW
OK, if by radical, you really DO mean radical, the problem needs to be tackled at its root cause.

It is agreed that the problem is too many vehicles trying to fit into too little road space.
There seems little prospect of the road space being increased.
So the answer is to reduce the number of vehicles.
And this means reducing the number of drivers.
This can't easily be done in the short term without uopsetting some group: elderly; young; rural; shift workers; etc.
So the answer is to look to the medium term and reduce the population.
So Government policy needs to be structured to reduce the population.
They are keen on the principle of "The Polluter Pays" for the use of resources.
So: the State provided services for the first two children (i. e. the replacement number, of a woman. After that, for the third and subsequent child, no child benefits; health; education; pensions; etc. , all the "free" public services are unavailable and have to be paid for by the parent(s) or individual.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Alfafan {P}
And if that doe'nt work, then forbid people to have more than on child, and if they persist, hunt them down and kill off the unauthorised children. It happened in China.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - madf
hmm reduce the population..Hmm.. immigration ? hmmm

Stop developing the areas worst congested: London and SE.



Remember one of the reasons for the failure of the London Motor Show was its location.. for everyone outside London.

Ditto Wembley.. oh sorry we are building a new one there...

And the Dome.. anyone N or Brum had to spend 2 days to visit it..


So where are we going to expand our airport capacity? .... near London...

Will the trains be able to deliver passengers there? Silly question..

My answer? Force politicians who live anywhere to use public transport only. After 1 month there will be a revolt and some sensible policies.?

Taxis are NOT public transport Mr Livingstone!







madf
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Micky
">So the answer is to look to the medium term and reduce the population.<"

Which creates an ageing population which means more pensioners supported by fewer people working which means lower state pensions and higher taxes ...... doesn't work.

If the issue is space, the answer is France; three times the size (approx), same population...... so yes, I'd be very happy to take early retirement (paid for by HMG) and spend my sunset years in France (paid for by HMG)
Congestion - Radical Solutions - BrianW
"I'd be very happy to take early retirement (paid for by HMG) and spend my sunset years in France (paid for by HMG)"

Me too, but I'd insist that the French were sent somewhere else first!
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Micky
France is a wonderful place ...... just wasted on the French ;-0

The space makes all the difference; all been said before but 500 miles across France is easy motoring (just avoid the madness of Paris), 100 miles from Dover to home is not the most pleasant way to finish a holiday,
Congestion - Radical Solutions - PhilW
"God created the beautiful country of France and then to balance it up he put the French in it"
There are other factors in France apart from space - for a start they seem to have a continuous road building programme. On a recent visit my wife and I used three stretches of new motorway that weren't there in the summer. Most towns/villages have by-passes. French tend not to commute to work as far or as much as us. There are relatively few company cars. There seem to be nothing like as many white vans or small (7 1/2 ton ?)trucks. More people live in cities in flats/apartments rather than suburbs. Parking is much easier/less restricted/ cheaper (eg free in most cities in August). Roadworks are both fewer and less disruptive.
Result is that you can actually plan journeys to take a certain time and they do! you can spend a month there in the summer and not get stuck in jams (exclude Paris and some busy coastal areas)
is it possible to plan a journey in southern Britain of over 50 miles and guarantee within an hour how long it will take?
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Mark (RLBS)
depends on what you mean by guarantee. I have offices in Watford, Marylebone Road, Solihull, Coventry, Wokingham and Didcot. I move around between all of them all the time. I am rarely more than 10 minutes different from when I thought I\'d arrive.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Tom Shaw
Own up Mark - you've got a helicopter, haven't you?
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Mark (RLBS)
I wish.

I used to use one when I lived in Sao Paulo as the only reliable way to get to the airport.

I gave that up after I was taken to the airport in a tropical storm. Never, ever, get in a helicopter in bad weather - I have never been so scared.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - volvod5_dude
"France is a wonderful place ...... just wasted on the French ;"

How racist! My wife is French !!
Congestion - Radical Solutions - BrianW
I always experience a great feeling of shame when I get back on UK roads.
Visitors from abroad must thing we are 20 years behind the times.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - volvod5_dude
I've just had a thought. If as a nation we all cut our motoring by say 20%, which I know I could, how would Mr Brown make up the shortfall in the revenue he receives from fuel tax?

VD5D.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - BrianW
I recon that would cost him £8 billion pounds per anum, or 3.5% of his budgetted total revenue.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Tom Shaw
He would dig out some nutty professor's report which said that mobile phone transmissions were causing the hole in the ozone layer to expand/contract/change shape etc., and tax them instead.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - A Dent{P}
Cars are the answer to a human need. Since you cannot fairly remove or restrict the activity, the answer lies in adapting the car to the need.
Traffic density in the morning is the real problem for all users.
To increase the number of cars that can use a junction / road in a given time the cars need to be shorter, and need to be speed restricted, to say 50mph. A smart car is about ideal in size, if it ran on LPG it would do it for the enviromental lobby as well.
Most cars in any given traffic jam have only one or two occupants and the motor will be about 13 ft long, the unnecessary mass requires too much fuel to acceleration and too much space to stop.
Such a unititarian vehicle will not suit all, hence the smart car's lack of market domination, after all you cannot fit 5 sheets of plaster board from B&Q in it on a Sunday.
But some adaption is needed to the actual everyday condition that drivers face.
PS. at my work we have people traveling from 40 miles and 1 mile to get to work and nearly everyone drives, even 1 mile (a 30 min journey sometimes). Ridiculous but there it is, if its raining hard will you walk?.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - CM
it is, if its raining hard will you walk?.


Umbrella
Hat
Coat
Gum boots
Fresh air
Healthier
Longer life
Congestion - Radical Solutions - madf
well Richard Bowker head of the Strategic Rail Authority has one: stop all major rail projects cos they are too expensive.

(someone tell John Prescott please)

And of course a certain Mr Livingstone's spat with the Government is delaying any investment in London's Underground.

My radical proposals for politicians is
1. in an above post
and
2. unprintable in the light of the above inactions...


madf
Congestion - Radical Solutions - CM
Apparently the legal bill for the mess on the underground has reached £400 million! Apparently because the thing is going to be part privatised every single detail has to be written down meticulously.

For example - litter. If a piece is more than 5cm long then it is the group that is responsible for cleaning the stations responsibility otherwise it is the station's responsibility. petty arguments from central & local government, whilst benefiting the legal position, does nothing for the tax payer who has to use these deficient transport networks.
Congestion - Radical Solutions - madf
any person suggesting a solution separating track from rolling stock resposnibilities is palnning a system:
1. designed by lawyers : for the benefit of lawyers
2. implemented by muppets: only a muppet acts on anything devised by lawyers and expects it to work in the real world.
3. planning to give lawyers lots more work in future
4. probably a lawyer.

Now seriously I have nothing against lawyers but look at Railtrack /Virgin Rail/Soth West Rail/etc etc and how successful a model that is. Would anyone use that as a model for running the Underground?

Answer: a muppetwould .

Radical solution: delete all muppets from any decision making process..hmm





madf
Congestion - Radical Solutions - googolplex
Pedal power?

just an idea...
Congestion - Radical Solutions - Cardew
Early in this thread HJ posed this question:-

"What congestion charging will do is kill off town centres as places to shop and go out. Eventually it will also kill them off as places to work. So we will see yet more countryside ruined by easy-access out-of-town car-friendly shopping centres. And town centres which are almost completely deserted at weekends. Is that what we want? We're getting it."

Well I don't want to see countryside ruined, but I would welcome town centres being killed off as places to shop and work. For myself the American style out of town shopping mall or business park, with easy access and parking, is infinitely preferable to trying to drive into city centres built before the car or bus was invented.

So perhaps the radical solution is for the Government to subsidise malls and business parks and provide incentives/penalties to get city centre shops and businesses to move to them.