Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - RobertG
Caught at 34mph in my Focus in Suffolk by scamvan, offered and accepted SACourse instead of points.

Question - am I lawfully obliged (at any time) to inform my insurance company that I have been offered such a course due to speeding ???


Thanks

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 01/05/2008 at 13:39

Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - zookeeper
you havnt been given any points on your licence but you still pay the £60.00 for the course... whats it got to do with the ins co?

Edited by zookeeper on 30/04/2008 at 15:25

Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Optimist
Unless you've already got points, I thought insurance companies weren't bothered about 3 points because so many of us have them.
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - zookeeper
if you have already got points how does a speed awareness course alter things?
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Optimist
You don't get more, I'd have thought.
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Marc
No, it's got nothing to do with insurance.

The course and its fee are instead of points and a fine.
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Whisky
I believe, or at least how it was explained to me when I had to do one (5 years ago now), is that the instructors on the course report back to the police afterwards and if you have shown no comitment or improvement you can still be prosecuted. However I don't think this happens very often.

If improvement has been shown the case is dropped and therefore you have no motoring conviction and nothing to tell the insurance company.

Might be different these days though with regards to being able to be convicted after the course.
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - RobertG
Thanks to all.

The reason I asked is that I thought I was to tell any material fact to my insurance company affecting my comprehensive policy premium. I was under the impression that speeding and subsequent course offer instead of a fine was a material fact, regardless of no points branded on me.

I dont have any points up till now. So if I dont tell them of the course and have a prang, I dont want them to say I withheld material facts which gives them the excuse to refuse to cover me for an accident.

Apart from that, Suffolk have a motoring blitz now, and 12,000 have been nicked for speeding -so be warned!!!
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - bintang
The doctrine of "uberrimae fidei" applies - "of the utmost good faith". I would play it safe and inform them. The cost of getting it wrong could be devastating. When you do, ask if it is going to affect your NCB - and let us all know please!
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Marc
"I would play it safe and inform them" - I disagree.

If you're going to tell them and they sting you with an additional premium then what's the point of the course? You may as well take the points and fine.
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Armitage Shanks {p}
If you have paid for a course to improve your motoring skills and taken time off work to travel to it and lost a day's salary I recking that is worth a 10% discount. You get money off for Pass Plus and being in the IAM (or do you) - a course to improve your driving must be worth something otherwise what in the perceived benefit?
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - zookeeper
Armitage , the "course" is the lesser of two evils , not really a conscious decision to improve ones driving standard but a devise to avoid 3 points on ones license .... i wouldnt divulge it with my insurance company
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - LinuxGeek
Legally you don't have to inform them. I attended my course last week after being flashed for driving at 35mph in 30mph zone. The course instructor clearly said we don't have to inform our insurance company about this course! If it was illegal not to inform them I don't think he would had instructed us not to inform our insurance companies!
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - bintang
Useful post, MazMan.

As regards the IAM certificate, it does not impress my insurer but is well worth taking anyway.
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - jaffa
I find this somewhat hard to believe.


"They said because I will not get points is irrelevant. It was a material fact that HAS to be declared since I broke the Road Traffic Act and got caught, regardless of the offer of a course and no points."

Having recently been stopped on the motorway for speeding (Being caught), with the officer advising me to slow down in future. With no further action taken by the by the police, who is going to know that I broke somepart of the road traffic act. Apart from myself and the officer that stopped me.
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - RobertG
Hi all

Thanks again for the responses. To the people who said do not contact the insurers, I refer you to a conversation this morning with my insurers.

They said because I will not get points is irrelevant. It was a material fact that HAS to be declared since I broke the Road Traffic Act and got caught, regardless of the offer of a course and no points.

Also, they said it would be unlikely that my Comp premium would increase due to the low speed, and taking in account my age and if I had a clean license over many decades (which I do).

On all those points, it makes sense, though MazMan says his course instructor stated otherwise - that is the confusing part!! So that is the situation.

It is not up to me to tell others what to do, but for me at my age is not worth the hassle of keeping quiet. If in the future I am involved in an accident that causes serious injury to me or others, I do not want my insurers having the slightest excuse to refuse a claim and someone suing me for zillions.

If anyone is with the Co-Op Insurance Company, (or others) please call them (under a pretext) for clarification on these matters. I would be very interested to hear the responses.

Bob
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Optimist
Interesting.

Sometimes you might have a small no-fault scrape in a car park and agree with the other party to meet your own costs. Finish.

But is that an "incident" when you shop around come insurance renewal time?
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - CGNorwich
But is that an "incident" when you shop around come insurance renewal time?


The law on disclosure is that you must declare any fact that a prudent underwriter would take into account when assessing the risk. Failure to disclose such a fact allow the Insurer to void the Insurance and refuse any claims. There is no definition as to what constitutes a material fact - that is for the courts to decide.

The failure to disclose does not need to be relevant to any claim. For example failure to disclose a motoring conviction, if deemed material, would allow the Insurer to avoid paying a theft claim

In practice in view of the draconian effects of non disclosure it is best to err on the side of caution and let the Insurer decide if it is material.

The logic behind this law is that an Insurance contract is very much a one sided affair as far as assessing the risk is concerned. You have all the facts and the Insurer has none. There have been a number of proposals to change this law but Insurers are, understandably very reluctant to go down this path as they see it as their major defence against fraud.

Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Optimist
Helpful. Thanks.
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Marc
Mazman is correct.

People ONLY attend these courses to evade the three points and subsequent insurance cost hike. Otherwise there's no point, unless you've got nine points (no pun intended)
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - ijws15
The course ONLY affects insurance if you fail.

Because you then get the 3 points and £60 anyway.

Approach it with the right attitude.

You sure it was 34? Mine was for 35 and you didn't get done for 34!
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - zookeeper
The course ONLY affects insurance if you fail. Because you then get the 3 points and £60 anyway. Approach it with the right attitude. You sure it was 34? Mine was for 35 and you didn't get done for 34!



fail?...fail what? there isnt a test at the end of the course..its basically a 4 hour lecture on how speeding is the root of all evil blah blah,

you can go on the course with whatever attitude you like

as far as i know you cant get points on yer licence for "attitude"
Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - ijws15

fail?...fail what? there isnt a test at the end of the course..its basically a 4 hour lecture on how speeding is the root of all evil blah blah,
you can go on the course with whatever attitude you like
as far as i know you cant get points on yer licence for "attitude"

You get points for speeding, you can avoid them by showing the right attitude.

Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - borasport20
I have recently had the benefit of an SAC course, and the 'trainers' were adamant it was not necessary to inform your insurance company.

Unfortunately, their training skills left a lot to be desired, they exhibited hypocrytical attitudes to a number of issues and they struggled with the hardware, so it's very difficult to take anything they said seriously. They were more credible as a pair of Peter Kay impersonators - when one of them wanted to recap on something, he'd do so 'in a nutmeg'
I've no doubt that their 'customer satisfaction rating' will be 99% - then again, if you hand out your 'happy sheets' at the end of a course and make people return them with their names on, any professional in delivering training would know you are not going to get valid results - especially at 9:30 on a friday evening

;-)

p.s. - I can guarantee their customer satisfaction rating will not have been 100%
Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - mss1tw
They were more credible as a pair of Peter Kay
impersonators - when one of them wanted to recap on something he'd do so 'in
a nutmeg'


Bwahaha!!
Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - oldlag
Speed awareness courses are a waste of time and cop out in every sense of the word
best give motorists points and if they get too many points take away their licenses
its the only language speeders understand they need to be taken OFF the road
why is it a minority of folk think they are above the law and can speed and put others lives at risk
Oh its not because they are 'good' drivers thats for sure

If I had my way I would make a speed awareness course visit a morgue and look at the outcome of speeding Ive dealt with the aftermath of a fun loving speeder who killed and ruined a nice families life, I say why not ruin their lives and take their toys away.
Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Ravenger
I'd agree speed awareness courses are a waste of time, but only because they limit them to people only marginally over the limit - the very people who are generally safe drivers, caught on a technicality. The people who need re-educating are the excessive speeders, who truly endanger themselves and others.
Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - lazMo67

I've just completed a SAC (thames valley) and I asked the instructor this question. He said that you only need to declare it if you are specifically asked if you have attended such a course, when you renew your insurance but some insurers do include it in the small print. So check the small print! He said it is only when you renew, you do not need to declare anything until that point and only if prompted.

Incidently the course was actually quite informative in a couple of areas, despite what some people say, but I think that is just bravado!

As for the speeders should be shot brigade! the average age of the course is 42 apparently and certainly in my course the majority of the people were caught at relatively small amounts over the limit and I for one don't consider myself a boy racer but i'm not an angel either, just an average driver!

Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - LucyBC

Under ACPO guidelines prosecutions can take place at Speed limit (+10%) + 3mph so if you are doing 36mph in a 30mph you can be prosecuted whereas if you are doing 35.9 mph you probably won't be.

I say "probably" because speeding is an absolute offence which means you can be prosecuted for any speed in excess of the limit - it's just that they invariably apply the ACPO rule. If you are below Speed limit (+10%) + 3mph there is a very high likelihood I can persuade them to drop the case.

Honest John is correct. Speed Awareness Courses (SAC) are usually offered (when they are offered) at Speed limit (+10%) + 6mph so there is usually only a 3mph window.

In 30mph zones they are normally offered at 39mph or below.

Many areas offering SAC only offer them for specific limits (usually 30mph).

I am not quite sure why this is although the relative risks (of causing say, bodily injury or death) posed by someone doing 39mph in a 30mph built up area (and hence qualiflying for a course) and someone doing 77mph on the motorway (and being refused one) is an interesting actuarial question.

Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Rattle

There was a case recently which went to cought (the car was modded and wasn't declared) and the insurance company said that mats (yes car mats!!) have to be declared as a mod.

When I had my first Fiesta I had my wheel trims listed as a modifcation!!!! it did not affect my premium though.

Tell the insurance companies everything, usualy it dosn't make any difference to the premium. Insurance is just a game, you need to make sure they have no excuse whats so ever to claim you have been dishonest.

Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - piggy

having recently attended one of these courses,I can assure the OP that he need not inform his insurance company. Before shelling out £70 on the course iI checked with the organisers and was told that there was no need whatsoever to inform my insurance. That is one of the attractions of attending these courses-you leave with a clean slate. By the way,the course was informative and useful. The irony is though is that I never break 30 and 40 limits,but on this occasion I was late for a train due to unexpected traffic conditions,so the holier than though brigade need not get too excited.

Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - JayJay2812

Okay, just to get my 2pennies worth. You DO need to tell your insurance company about any points or course's that you have been on. This will affect your insurance as you have STILL BEEN CAUGHT SPEEDING and therefore at a higher risk, statistically, to be involved in an accident, If you do not disclose this, it may affect claims, and you will be made to pay back any money you owe to the insurance company.

Even if the people at the course tell you not to disclose it, who will it fall back on in the end? it will be your responsibility to tell your insurance, not theirs. This will only take effect from renewal though.

Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - fredthefifth

In a recent exercise to reduce the cost of my car insurance I completed quite a few online quotation forms and I recall being asked whether I had a conviction. If a SAC avoids conviction then there is nothing declare.

Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Smileyman

Just to be difficult, so if one is stopped for speeding overseas (eg France), no points, no entry on licence, is it still necessary to tell UK insurer?

Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Hamsafar

"Question - am I lawfully obliged (at any time) to inform my insurance company that I have been offered such a course due to speeding ???"

No, what is more, most insurers ask "Have you had any motoring convictions in the last 5 years?"

You can say no, as I do with my 2x3 points. I was never convicted or prosecuted for speeding, because I accepted "Conditional Offers", as do most people. You pay the protection racket so that you avoid a conviction, that's the whole point.

Edited by Hamsafar on 06/04/2011 at 11:27

Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - pyruse

A speeding 'conviction' is receipt of an NIP in the post as far as the insurers are concerned.

If you don't tell the insurance company about points on your license or speed courses, they may just refuse to pay out on the insurance. Read the small print on your insurance policy; you may get a nasty surprise.

Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - RT

Are you sure? The NIP goes to the registered keeper under S172 of RTA to establish who the driver was. The driver then receives a summons and/or offer of speed course.

Insurers do ask about convictions or pending prosecutions - where a NIP is successfully "defended" no summons is issued - was it a pending prosecution while the NIP was being argued over, if so when does it end as many police forces don't send any notification that they aren't proceeding.

Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

No. Insurance is only affected if you have been convicted.

Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Hamsafar

"A speeding 'conviction' is receipt of an NIP in the post as far as the insurers are concerned."

An all-too common misconception. (or variation of it).

Edited by Hamsafar on 06/04/2011 at 15:59

Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - fredthefifth

As I said above go onto any insurance site and complete a quotation. You will find that they are only interested in convictions.

Will a Speed Awareness Course affect insurance??? - Nepal

different rules for different insurance companies so better check.

I called IGO MOre and was told i need to declare speeding even though i did Speed awarness course which will change my insurance quotation by roughly £26 so i then called Pink Pound and they told me that i dont need to declare.