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IE version 6, XP Home.......
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Was having the same problems until I changed to 'Firefox' as my browser. Maybe IE has become corrupted but I cant be bothered to remove it and reload to test the theory.
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unfortunately, I.E is an integeral part of the windows xp operating system, and unlike win 98 it cant just be removed and re-installed, or repaired by a simple mouse click. you can repair it with registry tweaks (not recommended) or sometimes by running xp's file checker program:
start--?run--? sfc /scannow then click on ok. (note space before the / ).
if that don't work it will probably be easier to re-install xp OVER the previous installation, this way you shouldn't lose any personal data.
A more detailed explanation can be found here:
tinyurl.com/yw5yfo
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If using IE6 then simply download IE7, it is great.
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I'm running IE6 on this work laptop and have no problems with any other website - it's just this one that causes grief as described above and earlier.
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I'll mention it to Khoo Systems, in case it's anything to do with recent site alterations.
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I'm running IE6 on this work laptop and have no problems with any other website - it's just this one that causes grief as described above and earlier.
It's so refreshing to hear that other people are having problems with this website and this website ONLY!!
I must admit that since this trouble started, about three weeks ago this Wednesday (or thereabouts) things have improved somewhat and seems to depend on the time of day.
I think that there it is something to do with the way that the website is rendered - there seems to be a lot of 'flash' in operation and I can always tell, now, when I am going to get the annoying 'Internet Explorer has encountered a problem...........' etc.
I cannot find another website that gives this problem, however it has always taken an eternity to load - approx. 15 to 19 seconds on dial-up - quite extraordinary!
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IE6 does things in a very non-standard way and requires a lot of effort on the part of designers to make pages work properly with it. IE7 is better, but the browsers that work best to agreed standards are Safari, Firefox, Opera and the rest, though I think only Safari is fully "Acid2 Test" compliant. It could be that since IE6 has now been replaced that Khoo Systems has decided not to put a lot of effort into supporting it. Or else IE6 support is added on later, which might explain why it's improving. I don't blame them.
Take a look here:
www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html
Of course Microsoft doesn't want us to have properly standardized software or file formats, because that would expose it to real competition. The company would rather we adopted its own formats as standard and is prepared to play very dirty to keep us at the teat. See here:
news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39288959,00...m
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you're missing my point - NO other website causes the problems this one does! If it wasn't for the wealth of valuable information and entertaining reading I'd have given up long ago. I have the same issues whether I'm on IE6 on an old XP laptop here or on my Vista pc with Firefox at home.
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No I'm not missing your point. Most websites are coded with IE6 as the primary aim. This one has been substantially revised very recently. Of course this is speculation. If you're having the same problems with Firefox on a different machine then I wonder if there is something common to both machines that is getting in the way (some kind of security software?). This site does carry a lot of pop-up ads apparently and of course they depend on everyone dealing with them in the same way and having the right settings/software available.
For the record this site works fine for me with Firefox.
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You cynic Baskerville!
IE6 does things in a very non-standard way and requires a lot of effort on the part of designers to make pages work properly with it. IE7 is better but the browsers that work best to agreed standards are Safari Firefox Opera and the rest
That misses the point, IE6 and IE7 are around 90% of the market, of the rest a good few % are earlier versions of IE still in use.
So IE is the standard, and it is up to web developers to make sure that their sites work with IE.
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My computer runs both Ubuntu and XP, and I have trouble viewing this site in IE when I'm using XP - it usually just closes the window. Firefox is fine on both OSs, but normally I use Opera in Ubuntu and never have a problem.
MS uses a lot of dirty tricks (that's why I've migrated to Linux), but surely making a browser that can't show a well-put-together website isn't going to win them any friends. If you're having trouble with IE, download either Firefox, Opera, or Flock. They're far better browsers anyway.
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Cynical? Moi?
That misses the point IE6 and IE7 are around 90% of the market of the rest a good few % are earlier versions of IE still in use.
The stats for a small site I look after (about 3,000 unique visitors a month) show that the two IEs, 6 and 7 are running about equal at 30-35% each. Firefox is knocking on the door of 20% and Safari is close to 10%, almost entirely on Macs. There were a handful of others ranging from Opera through to Omniweb, Konqueror, and Lynx. Last month there was even one visitor using Firebird, Firefox's pre- release version. From this I deduce two things:
1. IE does not have the dominance it once did. Not by a long way. And the fact that the two IEs are split further removes the argument for "standardising" on IE since IE7 is much more standards compliant than IE6 and thus (I am told) less effort for designers.
2. Browser usage varies between audiences and my site is no doubt skewed towards freelancers and arty types who get to choose the best tool for the job rather than the one that came with the IT contract and is the only one that works on the corporate intranet. A site that took a lot of visitors from corporate networks would no doubt be different.
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>>A site that took a lot of visitors from corporate networks would no doubt be different. >>
Likewise the vast majority of consumers hence the 90% figure being about right.
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The stats just don't bear out 90% any more. It's not just me:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers
Note that the best figure IE has for a mid-2007 measure (split between all versions) is 84% and falling. Some show as low as 66%, which is closer to my experience. And yes I checked against the originating stats to confirm Wikipedia is accurate.
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This is all very interesting to you IT experts out there but for people such as myself, who came to computers very late in life, I find it very annoying that an entertaining website such as this throws up or exposes weaknesses in my IE6 browser which may or not be corrupted.
Anyway, just for ONE website which I can probably live without, some of the time, I'll still stay with IE 6 which performs admirably for every other website I visit daily.
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I have no problems with IE6 or IE7. The problem I asked about above was on an IE7 machine and this machine sometimes comes up with a 'page unavailable' message, something that never happens on the IE6 machine.
BTW I solved the IE7 problem by resetting IE7. Bit of a pain as some IE7 add ons were wiped (Google desktop and the like), but all is working fine now.
If I do find problems I tend to use Browzar in emergencies (thats what I used to get to this site to ask the question). It's a very stripped out browser accepts no ccokies, favourites, histories etc and won't download any software so it is very stable.
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"Anyway, just for ONE website which I can probably live without, some of the time, I'll still stay with IE 6"
You can have both - they're not mutually exclusive. I've got four browsers* under Windows and two under Linux.
*five if you count K-Meleon on my laptop...
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Take anything you read on Wilkipedia with the proverbial pinch of salt - it's not set in stone and is very easily altered by some unscrupulous types.
Internet Explorer's share of the browser market has been falling for some time, especially with the advancement of Firefox and its many features, some of which have been incorporated into IE7.
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Take anything you read on Wilkipedia with the proverbial pinch of salt - it's not set in stone and is very easily altered by some unscrupulous types.
Aw, come on. You'll be telling us Father Christmas isn't real next. That's why I checked against the originating sources here:
"...And yes I checked against the originating stats to confirm Wikipedia is accurate."
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>>You'll be telling us Father Christmas isn't real next. >>
I'm merely informing you that Wilkipedia is not the be all and end all it appears to be in quite a considerable number of cases.
There are other, more substantial, means of reference in many instances.
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I'm merely informing you that Wilkipedia is not the be all and end all it appears to be in quite a considerable number of cases.
My Dear Holmes
Thank you for explaining that everything on the Internet may not be true. That had not occurred to me before and I think I may have made some terrible mistakes in my life now I come to think about it. Like that time I told my brother in law that inhaling exhaust fumes was an alternative to altitude training for elite athletes. What a touching funeral it was. No doubt his kids will be fine once they stop crying. I've passed on the url of a good self-help website to my sister, but she hasn't sent a reply.
But back to the original issue. Do you perhaps have another source of information about browser usage that is less than a month out of date? If so, can its accuracy be verified without using the Internet?
Your faithful servant Watson.
P.S. Don't worry about the Reichenbach Falls. They are not as high or as precipitous as they seem. A man may easily survive a fall from there according to some blog I read once.
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>>Thank you for explaining that everything on the Internet may not be true.>>
You have deliberately, it seems, misconstrued my comments.
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"There are other, more substantial, means of reference in many instances."
Don't you think this comment was just a little bit obvious? Looks like you fell down on the Maxim of Quantity:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gricean_maxims
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>>Do you perhaps have another source of information about browser usage that is less than a month out of date?>>
www.pcpro.co.uk/news/124630/firefox-we-caught-micr...l
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It's great that there is real competition again. It can only be good for users like us. It's been a long time coming. That figure does seem realistic too. Now, operating systems next ...
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I dont believe Firefox has 20% share, perhaps amongst the techies though not mainstream corporate or consumer, perhaps it is not right that a browser is bundled with an OS though since IE7 the recipients are not losing out, if anything it is the anti MS techies that are losing out because IE7 is great.
Likewise Linux etc fills a need though I cant imagine anyone doing a better job than MS in their position nor can I blame them for trying to protect their position.
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I dont believe Firefox has 20% share perhaps amongst the techies though not mainstream corporate
Where are you getting your figures from? 20% tallies give or take with the figures I've seen from elsewhere and from the sites I look after (not sites for techies, believe me). IE's big weakness is its lack of cross-platform compatibility. Without that it's a waste of time.
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>>I dont believe Firefox has 20% share>>
I think you may be very surprised by the number of people now using Firefox worldwide - I've been using it for two or three years now and many others I know have also switched to it from Internet Explorer (even more so that some people are having IE7 problems).
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You say IE7 is "great" - my understanding is that MS has incorporated in it many of the features that make Firefox such a pleasure to use.
What's more it doesn't need constant security updates etc...:-)
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.. as I said in my earlier post, the monitoring on this site puts usage as:
IE - 75%
Firefox 19%
Safari 3%.
IE 6 accounts for just under 50% of all IE visits.
On some of our other more arty sites Firefox usage is even higher with IE only getting around 45% of total traffic.
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www.khoosys.net
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"the monitoring on this site"
I used to have Opera report itself as IE to avoid problems with some sites (not this one) that complained if you weren't using IE. I imagine this skews the figures in MS's favour...
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If the browser cache is corrupted you won't get any joy from refreshing or disk cleanup or whatever. You will need to clear all the browser temporary files - probably quit the browser and then try again.
To do this go to Menu Tools -> Internet Options. Under the General Tab click on "Delete Files". Clear them out and relaunch your browser.
We don't have a problem with IE 6 switching in this way on our test machine. However, it is a really ugly browser in terms of bugs, adherence to standards etc. and you are far better off with Firefox. Just get a free copy at www.mozilla.org.
As for the other posts regarding compatibility with IE, we have to ensure this is the case with this site as it has the largest share of visits:
IE - 75%, Firefox 19%, Safari 3%. IE 6 accounting for just under 50% of the IE visits.
We would rather the whole world used browsers that are more standards compliant - Firefox, Safari, Opera etc. but this isn't going to happen while IE is preloaded on every PC out there.
Now, on to stability, Flash etc. We don't use any flash so any freezes with loading pages to do with that are from ads, and any slowdowns are usually also to do with content retrieved from ad servers.
Hope this helps.
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www.khoosys.net
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Just to add to Stephen Khoo's posting - you can use Firefox in conjunction with the IE View add-on, which allows switching between the two with a simple right click on a URL to bring up the menu choice.
See:
addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/35
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I run both on my Vista laptop - (there is a reason !) Firefox outperforms IE7 in my particular set-up.
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With IE6 there was an argument for Firefox etc though IE7 is just brill!
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