Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - iainrichardson

The above car has done almost 50,000 miles (reg Feb '08) and I am concerned that I may be about to incur major repair costs - having become alarmed at discussion of dual mass flywheels and other issues? Should I consider replacement now? It seems very early for what should be a reasonably high quality vehicle.

Can anybody help?

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - unthrottled

To avoid the possibility of spending some money or a big repair bill, you plan to spend a lot more money on another car??

DMF failure with an automatic (assuming it has a DMF?) is less common than with a manual since the transmission can be programmed to avoid high torque very low RPM operation.

Just drive it and don't worry!

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - gordonbennet

Indeed as above, your car has a torque converter auto box, so no DMF to worry about.

It about due for a transmission oil change though if not already done, and that does not want to be neglected for a long service life...MB's will cover big mileages but competent regular servicing as with all cars is the key.

As far as the 220d's go, my MB specialist indy looks after some E class taxis with the same engine and at up to 400k miles are running fine , one of them had a couple of injectors and EGR clean recently out of interest at 380k as it was smoking a bit, now back to normal.

Indy tells me they have had little go wrong over the miles and he has maintained them from new, he's been a MB indy for well over 30 years so does know what he's talking about, keeps my almost 16 year old W124 well fettled.

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - Bobbin Threadbare

OP - as far as I'm concerned, your car is new!! 50k and a 2008 is barely used ;-)

You do see a lot of old Mercs about so they must keep going for yonks with little issue.

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - Avant

I think you either change now or resolve to keep it long-term.

If (as I do) you like new cars and want to avoid the hassle and unpredictable expense of things going wrong, now is the time that you'll still get a good price for the Mercedes and your 'cost to change' may still be manageable.

You'll get the best PX deal against another Mercedes, although I struggle to believe that there is so much that a C220 estate can do that a Skoda Superb estate can't, to make the Mercedes worth £10,000 extra.

If you keep it long-term, as others have said, and have it regularly serviced, you should get many good years out of it. There are lots of elderly Mercedes estates still giving valiant service, particularly in rural areas where they have been bought as workhorses rather than status symbols. (Mind you, modern Skodas are built to last too.)

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - piston power

Do you really need such a car if all you do is 50k and get shut at nearly 4yrs?

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - unthrottled

now is the time that you'll still get a good price for the Mercedes and your 'cost to change' may still be manageable.

Aren't you an accountant, Avant?!

A smaller step change is far outweighed by the fact that, over a given period of time, there are more changes. Depreciation follows exponential decay; you can't contrive the economics to be favourable!

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - barney100

50k? it's not run in yet, a change would cost you megabucks. Why not get a warranty to shield you from the big nasties. That car you have will run for years if you look after it.

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - unthrottled

A warranty will have more holes than a sieve.

What does a DMF replacement run at-£1000?

If that makes you wince, I'm afraid you can't afford to run a late model merc.

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - Trilogy

unthrottled, I like your way of thinking on this.

I know of people who buy BMWs thinking they are low depreciating cars and think it's best to keep them no more than 3 years. If they keep them longer they'll depreciate alot more. The cost to change added to depreciation over only 6 - 9 years blows my mind. Even if I could afford the expense, I'd rather use the £££ for other things in life.

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - unthrottled

Trilogy-At least we agree on something! Trebles all round.

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - Avant

Yes, I grant you that, say, a new car every three years costs more than one new car aftrer nine years - but you have to afford the larger cost to change after the nine years. You'd have to save for it, while at the same time paying for the out-of-warranty repairs and running the risk of less reliability.

There isn't a right or a wrong to this: it depends how you see things and what your personal finances are like.

Edited by Avant on 17/12/2011 at 21:13

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - unthrottled

I can see the logic in buying a newer car. I just don't understand why people try to contrive false economic arguments to convince themselves that it is a good idea.

I often wonder if these arguments are rehearsals for talking round skeptical spouses!

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - Collos25
No with problems DMF on an automatic of any make.it will be run in when its done around 200k and will easily on to well over a million miles. I personnally think they are extremely good value its other cars that are ovepriced
Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - Trilogy

Avant, '

'There isn't a right or a wrong to this: it depends how you see things and what your personal finances are like.'

I can see your point. I can remember a friend telling me his mum's Focus had depreciated £11,000 in just over 50,000 miles and 6 years. At the time I'd done about 600,000 miles in my motoring life (23 years and 19 cars) and suffered slightly less than £11,000 depreciation. The Focus had at one time required a £1,200 bill, for just one visit to the Ford main dealer. The most any one car has cost me in servicing/repairs in one year was £1,400 for my Skoda Octavia TDi, from 164,000 miles to 182,000. In the next 19,000 miles the bill was £442-00. The Skoda now has 206,000 miles on the clock. It's just had a minor service at £55-00, VAT free with my ex-AA/M-B mobile guy who comes to my house. The cam belt, with tensioners, water pump will be just £210. :)

. - schneip
I've been thinking

Edited by schneip on 18/12/2011 at 20:23

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - barney100

Warranty I had was good, you have to compare a few but mine saved me big money on a Volvo, really worth looking into.

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - dieseldogg

An argument that I have never seen expounded ( or indeed countered?) is that the longer one keeps a car, regardless of the age it is bought at, the better, now here i appreciate I am talking buying from a dealer, but since the dealer makes money every time one trades, otherwise they would go out of business, somebody must therefore be "losing" money.

Plus I am terrible at deciding/making my mind up, therefore reluctantly make few & far between car purchases from a dealer.

Horses for courses.

Mercedes Benz 220 CDI estate automatic - Time to replace a Mercedes 220? - barney100

It's something I have pondered for a while. I remember perhaps 35 years or so ago a friend of my Dad's got a new Triumph Spitfire every two years. He exchanged the car and the financial setup of the time meant the HP payments were the same for the new car as the old. After a time the payments to change started creeping up and he stuck with the old car longer.