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Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - fatbadger

Hi

I own a Vauxhall Zafira with the 1.9 CDTI 150 engine. 2007 model, low 50k miles, FSH.

Recently, the water pump seized and shredded the cambelt. The cambelt failure has resulted in some pretty costly 4-figure engine repairs.

As well as reading the various Vauxhall forums and finding this isn't uncommon, I also see on the Honest John "What's bad" review of the Zafira, the following:

On 1.9CDTI, timing belt drives waterpump and waterpump failure can fling it off in as little as 40k miles, wrecking the engine. By December 2008 this was becoming increasingly common at about 4 years old and circa 50k - 60k miles. So engines need new belts, tensioners, pulleys and waterpumps before 4 years old or 50k miles.

Our car's age/mileage fits this exactly.

I'd like to know just how common this problem is. The engine is fitted to numerous other models in the Vauxhall range - Astra, Vectra, Signum to name a few.

Has this happened to you ?

Do you work at a garage and have you carried out repairs because of this failure ?

Or do you have any other connection with the trade and know of any instances of this failure ?

Perhaps Honest John could give some indication of where the review text originated.

Any information would be gratefully received !

FB

Edited by fatbadger on 25/04/2011 at 15:03

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Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - Collos25

On the other hand many hundreds of thousands of this engine do mega mileage without any bother,its like anything mechanical some will fail sooner than others and as it is a well known problem of this engine steps can be taken so as not to suffer such breakdowns.Most cars in fact most machines have weak spots and these have to be taken into consideration when running them.

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - Cymrogwyllt

I got out of it luckily. Three and a bit years and 54k. One day I noticed a rising reading on the temp gauge and a squeal from the engine. Pulled in and got it towed to a trusted indie. Water pump gone leading to three teeth out of the cam belt, Valve timing out by two notches, the third would have meant new engine. Cambelt kit and water pump for £300 did the job.

Certainly paid to keep an eye on the gauges

I PX'd the car soon after.

Edited by Cymrogwyllt on 25/04/2011 at 18:08

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - fatbadger

I got out of it luckily. Three and a bit years and 54k. One day I noticed a rising reading on the temp gauge and a squeal from the engine. Pulled in and got it towed to a trusted indie. Water pump gone leading to three teeth out of the cam belt, Valve timing out by two notches, the third would have meant new engine. Cambelt kit and water pump for £300 did the job.

That was a lucky escape ! I don't think it takes long for the belt to fail once the water pump seizes and it's being dragged over the stationary pulley at speed.

Lucky for you having a temp guage - there isn't one on our car, so no way of knowing anything was going wrong.

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - fatbadger

... as it is a well known problem of this engine steps can be taken so as not to suffer such breakdowns.

It must be a well known problem to Vauxhall - so why don't they take such steps to warn people ? Why didn't they advise me at the previous (40k-odd) service to get it done ?

I'd rather pay for a cambelt & water pump change at 40k miles, than risk sudden unannounced engine failure, resulting in loss of drive, steering assistance and braking assistance.

Depending on your situation at time of failure, it could have catastrophic consequences. As it was, my wife was driving with our 2 young kids in the back. Failed on a busy A-road and she had nowhere to pull in and get to safety.

I'll be filling in the VOSA form accordingly.

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - TheOilBurner

Have you asked this question on the Vauxhall owner's club forums? There are often posts on there on this issue. Also try the Vectra/Insignia owner's clubs.

FWIW, the 2004 1.9 CDTI 150 Vectra I owned was fine, apart from breaking the swirl valves at 37k. I traded it in at 47k, so no idea if I was just around the corner from a water pump failure...

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - fatbadger

Have you asked this question on the Vauxhall owner's club forums? There are often posts on there on this issue. Also try the Vectra/Insignia owner's clubs.

FWIW, the 2004 1.9 CDTI 150 Vectra I owned was fine, apart from breaking the swirl valves at 37k. I traded it in at 47k, so no idea if I was just around the corner from a water pump failure...

Thanks, yes I'm looking on those sites too.

Swirl valves are another favourite of the CDTI engine, alongside regular EGR problems, failed alternators, knackered DPFs....the list goes on !

Got EGR removal & cleaning down to a fine art now, like for many other owners it's almost routine maintenance now...!

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - TheOilBurner

Yeah, my FIL was talking about buying an Astra 1.9 CDTI. I tried desperately to warn him off, but I don't think he could quite believe that they could be this bad!!

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - Cymrogwyllt
failed alternators,



The alternator went on mine at 40k. (out of warranty) Replacement only available via VX. iirc £500 odd.



Took it to a repairer who replaced the diode pack. Quite common foult by all accounts.



VX sent me a recall letter about it three weeks after I PX'd the car.
Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - RT
failed alternators,

The alternator went on mine at 40k. (out of warranty) Replacement only available via VX. iirc £500 odd.

Took it to a repairer who replaced the diode pack. Quite common foult by all accounts.

VX sent me a recall letter about it three weeks after I PX'd the car.

The alternator is available at others beside Vauxhall dealers - our 1.9CDTi (150) needed one recently and it was £293 incl fitting and VAT.

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - RicardoB

Really interested to see this thread.

I've also read HJ's warnings about the water pump/belts etc and I'm starting to worry about my Vectra:

2007/1.9 cdti 150, 69,000 miles, and every now and again, I hear a little "squeak" from the engine. I fear it's a sign.

I just about hear it above the rumbling and rattling of the DMF and creaking clutch pedal. The main dealer says that will cost about £1,200 to sort. No word of help/support despite proper in-time full service etc.

Oh heck.

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - fatbadger

RicardoB - at that mileage I'd be getting my cambelt changed anyway (even if the recommended change interval is longer).

While that's being done it's a simple job to change the water pump too, I doubt it would add a huge amount of cost.

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - Semaj76
Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - Semaj76

Have you asked this question on the Vauxhall owner's club forums? There are often posts on there on this issue. Also try the Vectra/Insignia owner's clubs.

FWIW, the 2004 1.9 CDTI 150 Vectra I owned was fine, apart from breaking the swirl valves at 37k. I traded it in at 47k, so no idea if I was just around the corner from a water pump failure...

Thanks, yes I'm looking on those sites too.

Swirl valves are another favourite of the CDTI engine, alongside regular EGR problems, failed alternators, knackered DPFs....the list goes on !

Got EGR removal & cleaning down to a fine art now, like for many other owners it's almost routine maintenance now...!

Does anyone know if the 1.9 CDTI 120 (8V) has any similar problems?...reading all this is making me nervous...

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - RicardoB

Yes, I've booked the Vectra in for new belt, pulleys and water pump. Can't do it until week after next, and I am also a bit worried.

Shame about all the worries/potential problems with this engine (certainly the 150 16v) because when it's behaving, it goes well and is pretty economical in terms of fuel useage.

But I guess that the savings made in fuel are more than lost in the cost of repairs.

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - Glenn 42

More reasons why I wouldn't buy a Vauxhall. A man at work had a Corsa which started leaking petrol at 50,000 miles, a potentially lethal fault, and the main dealer did nothing to remedy the problem during the full service. I do think as a manufacturer Vauxhall seem to be going back to how I remember them from the seventies, producing poor cars.

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - akr

This affects Saab 93s too which have the same engine. On my old 93 saloon I had the alternator and EGR go. The water pump failed too but I caught it in time and had that and the cambelt done.

On the wife's 93 convertible with the same engine we've had the alternator go at about 40000. To be fair, other than that it's been fine. I got the cambelt and water pump done at the 4th birthday service in April at 48000 miles just in case cos I wasn't prepared to take the risk of it going on me.

It's a shame the engine's iffy cos she loves the car but we will sell it in two years time (about 72000 by then) when I've paid my other car off and just hope the DPF hasn't gone by then!!!!!

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - piston power

I own the 120 cdti which is the 8 valve vectra and glad to know it has no DPF but has had the EGR valve replaced under warranty.

Like all cars these have there faults but remember this car was built to do monster mileage and was a reps motor now the Insignia has taken over.

On the vectra forums plenty of the 150 cdti with over 100k and close to 200k miles.

At least it's no Discovery 3 which is the worst car built for problems.!!

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - bonzo dog

At least it's no Discovery 3 which is the worst car built for problems.!!

It may not have been an angel but compared to the Freelander petrol, MGTF & Vauxhall Sintra, the Disco 3 might have been built in Tokyo!

OK, slight exaggeration :)

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - masterofthegoonaverse

I have had the lot and its currently in again and blocked 100% despite being M23'd every week, ITS a astra twintop and its the worst ********** car I have ever had

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - shedking40

Hello to anyone who reads this. We recently had the same same issue whilst on holiday in France. Cost us 2.5k to fix, and when I contacted Vauxhall, they washed thbeir hands of it. I want people to get together and force them to recognise the fault

Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - austin
Our Zafira broke down in France 3 years ago. It was 150bhp 1.9 Diesel engine. Bearing on water pump seized causing belts to snap and engine seized. Vauxhall did fix it after much persuasion, car was towed from Paris to Belfast, thank goodness for European breakdown cover. Vauxhall did not help with this. Car was less than 2 years old with 37,000 miles. Once fixed I got rid. Was just too dangerous. Engine seized when I was overtaking on autoroute. Seems a common fault with this engine
Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - injection doc
Hi fat badger
A very good friend of mine has just suffered total engine failure due to a seized water pump on a low mileage Zafira 1.9
Vauxhall told him its unheared of !
It cost him about 4k for a replacement.

It's more common than u think.
Vauxhall - 1.9 CDTI - water pump seizure & cambelt failure - daveyK_UK
I got rid of a Vauxhall Vectra 1.8 petrol with 65,000 on the clock.
The engine was fine, the engine was the only good part about the car.
It was all the other constant failures which got me down.
CIM failed, alternator, electric window motors, central locking, coolant leaks, dash display,etc
All went one after another.
Would never buy a Vauxhall again, which is sad because they employ alot of UK workers and I like to try and buy home grown if I can.

Thankfully, if I need a hatchback I can buy a Civic and support UK workers which is far better quality than the current Astra.
The current Astra is proving to be anything but well built and reliable.

Why has one discussed the huge range of Insignia faults and prematurly worn parts yet?
Had quite a few of my clients who have suffered wheel hub/bearing failures, flywheel failures, timing sprocket and acuator failure, ignition coils packing in.
You can imagine how useful the Vauxhall lifetime warranty is!

Edited by daveyK_UK on 04/10/2013 at 16:21

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