Advice/input re 75 buying decision - andymc {P}
I have spoken to a (non-franchise) car dealer who has an 80000 mile Rover 75 CDT Club SE built in 2000 for sale at £9995. He's an hour and a half from me, so I don't want to make a wasted journey, but here's the info I have so far. He tells me that the car was one of the fleet run by Rover management itself, has full Rover history (last serviced at 73k and says he will do another before it leaves his forecourt), is in immaculate condition, has no outstanding finance, did mostly motorway miles and has never been in an accident. He says he can put me in touch with the previous owner to verify this and can do any RAC/HPI check.

All sounds fairly good, so my only concern is with the mileage. I know this is a BMW-sourced diesel engine and general consensus seems to be that this is a good thing. But I'm trying to get a clearer idea of how reliable the engine will be. Does anybody know how long this engine has been in use, or which Beamer(s) it's been used in? What kind of mileage can I expect it to be good for? I expect to do 15k a year, but I'd like to hold on to this car for around 5 years. Is it likely to pack up after 150k?

I'm also wondering whether or not I should hold off till the new year to let used Rover prices ease. I have a Renault Clio dci Dynamique to trade in, to which I had added an alarm and climate control as options. It's eleven months old with 7100 miles, and I think waiting till the new year might actually increase my cost to change as depreciation on the Rover now won't be as steep as it will be on the Clio. The new list price on the Clio was £10150 including options - I'd like to get around £8200 for a trade-in, but maybe I'm being over-optimistic. Any thoughts?
Advice/input re 75 buying decision - The Watcher
I don't have any experience of this car but do you think the dealer is being up front with you? If you get a good vibe from him, take up his offer on an HPI\RAC check. Then contact the previous owner and discuss with him any possible faults etc.

To be honest, 80k isnt a lot of miles nowadays and Id rather buy a car with lots of motorway miles under its belt instead of a stop\start car with 15k - 20k miles.

No one can say with any certainty how many miles youd get on the engine before it gives up.

And if you hold off waiting for prices to firm up, you could find you have let a very good car go and end up with something worse.

You pays your money.........Im afraid.
Advice/input re 75 buying decision - Vansboy
Best try offering the Clio back to the dealer you bought it from, he may give you a kick in the b%$£&!s figure or a fair price.
Then source a Rover at auction. same price, but a third the miles.
HJ featured one a week or two back,on his buying travels, plus I put a note that they are becoming much more available, now.
Incedently, I would guess THIS car to be ex lease/contract hire rather than 'own fleet'.Not that this is a problem.
Didn't Motel just buy himself a new one too?
Mark
Advice/input re 75 buying decision - wemyss
Andy, Don't know if this is a good price or not but I am a little doubtful about the run by Rover management itself.
For what it's worth we used to have a Rover dealer in our small town (and Vauxhall/Ford) but they lost the dealership along with hundreds of others when manufacturers drastically cut down on them.
They still operate selling mainly Rovers and continue to run the Rover spares part.
They used to and still have late model Rovers with very low mileage on them on the forecourt.
Knowing the owner I once asked how come they have these very low mileage Rovers and he explained that periodically Rover hold an auction by invitation to sell on cars which had mileage on them.
How come they have mileage on them I ask.
Well it's to do with over production at certain times or model detail chamges and they run them themselves for a couple of months and then sell them on by auction mainly to Rover dealers.
This was his explanation roughly.
However the mileage on these cars was often in the hundreds or a couple of thousand at the most.
So 80,000 on your Rover 75 doesn't sound quite right. This is very high mileage on a 2 year old car and sounds unlike the vehicles I have just mentioned.
And of course where you mention being put in touch with the previous owner (Rover) also sounds unusual.
None of the above detracts from the car of course, its just the details which sound unlikely.
regards
alvin

Advice/input re 75 buying decision - Dizzy {P}
Andy,

I was told by a friend who was a staff member at Rover that their so-called 'ex-fleet' cars are usually either:
1) Ex-rental (the registered name should give this away; it isn't "Rover Group" so far as I can recall) or
2) Their own run-abouts, in which case they do not have just one user but are jumped in by anyone who needs to go somewhere and tend to get abused.

I would totally avoid either of the above. If the car was provided as a company car to just one Rover manager it *might* be OK but I don't know how you could find this out except by asking Rover direct.

As for the engine, this is a downpowered version of BMW's M47 engine as used in the 320d and is known as the M47R when supplied to Rover. It has quite a lot less power than the BMW version, something like 114 bhp compared to firstly 136 and now 150 bhp in the BMW. I believe the differences are mostly in the injection system.

The M47 engine has twin overhead camshafts, four valves per cylinder, a variable nozzle turbocharger and an intercooler. It was first used in BMWs in 1998 and in Rovers in 1999.

I have driven the Rover 75 CDT and was very impressed in general, though I would have liked a bit more power and better rear quarter vision. The car I drove had rear parking sensors but I still found it difficult to place when reversing into a parking space. I have also driven a 2.0 litre V6 petrol Rover 75 but I like the diesel version at least as much.
Advice/input re 75 buying decision - andymc {P}
Thanks for all your thoughts everyone - very much appreciated. I've been trying to get a valuation online from different sources, and they don't really agree. For example (without naming any other sites)
Rover 75 CDT Club Diesel Mileage 80,000

Prices:_____2000-W_______2000-V
Dealer_____£11,613______£11,167
Private_____£11,167______£10,720
Part Ex_____£10,370______£9,878
Trade______£10,102______£9,610

That site had no valuation for the Club SE. Another one did, but couldn't allow for mileage:
Valuation estimate Sunday, September 22, 2002
2000 V Rover 75 Manual Club SE 2.0TD Mileage 80,000
Please note: The value estimation does not take into account the specified mileage, as there is no mileage adjustment data available for this vehicle.
Excellent condition £10050
Average condition £9100
Below average condition £8130
Retail £11900

Hmm - I assume that the dealer/retail figures are the ones I should work from. HJ, can I ask why you said that only £8995 would be £1k too high? Is it because of the high mileage, because it may have been abused as Dizzy suggested, because values are falling and the info I've been able to get hasn't caught up ...? Not disputing what you say, just trying to find out why there seems to be such a difference between your estimate and the different figures I've been able to find. I have been thinking of getting the chip done if I do buy one of these, although it may be cheaper to go to an independent tuning specialist than the official dealer - £490 seems a bit high.
Advice/input re 75 buying decision - Paul531
What about a Volvo S70 or V70 instead?

Say about 3 or 4 years old?

A better car for less money?
Advice/input re 75 buying decision - Dizzy {P}
Paul,

Why do you say that the Volvo S70/V70 is a better car? I don't believe they are built any better and they certainly don't have the superb ride quality of the Rover 75.
Advice/input re 75 buying decision - Paul531
Dizyy {how's Bob, Muck and Roley too, Lofty and Wendy, Travis and Spud etc?}

True, I've never driven a 75, but I've owned Rover products in the past.

I understand that Rover is the only 'major' manufacturer selling cars in the UK that are not galvanised.

5 or 6 years down the road, rots sets in sending resale values though the floor and comprimising crash worthy-ness.

I speak as one hit at speed when drining a rusty Rover, which almost split into two.

Hence the Volvo, no rust, safey features and the ride is far better than my old Rover.

If its a comapny car, then who cares abous the cost, depreactaion , rust etc if they are changed 'for free'every couple of years {eg the 75 at the start of the thread.

However, if as I, you are spending your own hard earned, taxed at source, folding stuff, then Volov, VW, Audi BMW etc are better bets in my book.

That's why, in my opinion, there are better cars than the 75, especially when spending your own dosh. Also people never speak of a Volvo engine {or meachanicals for that matter} falling to bits at 150k.

250k and they are just run in !!!!

Paul
Advice/input re 75 buying decision - Paul531
Dizzy {how's Bob, Muck and Rolley too, Lofty and Wendy, Travis and Spud etc?}

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True, I've never driven a 75, but I've owned Rover products in the past.

I understand that Rover is the only 'major' manufacturer selling cars in the UK that are not galvanised.

5 or 6 years down the road, rots sets in sending resale values though the floor and compromising crash worthy-ness.

I speak as one hit at speed when driving a rusty Rover, which almost split into two.

Hence the Volvo, no rust, safety features and the ride is far better than my old Rover.

If its a company car, then who cares about the cost, deprecation , rust etc if they are changed 'for free' every couple of years {eg the 75 at the start of the thread.

However, if as I, you are spending your own hard earned, taxed at source, folding stuff, then Volvo, VW, Audi BMW etc are better bets in my book.

That's why, in my opinion, there are better cars than the 75, especially when spending your own dosh. Also people never speak of a Volvo engine {or mechanicals for that matter} falling to bits at 150k.

250k and they are just run in !!!!

But if the 75 does it for you, as it does for many, then go ahead.



Paul

PS How can you tell if a late 1990s 75 was one of the ones stood about on the airfield for months?

Advice/input re 75 buying decision - Motel
Hi all i have bought a new 75 diesel auto after a lot of looking round and test driving(VW Passatt citreon c5 laguna and a volvo s80 all diesel autos)I got my search down to two a volvo s80 X reg 8450 miles 19,000 pounds with just 1 year left on its warranty this from a very big volvo dealer (I own a 17 and half year old volvo 740 gl petrol with 151,800 miles on the clock this car burns no oil between services and as give us very good service.would have liked a new volvo but could not go to there price. after driving the 75 this was one of the most comfortable cars i have driven it had enough power for what i want we changed a few things to the spec, so we must wait for it to be built and not been laying about in some compound, so i have a new car for the same price as the second hand volvo that did not have the same ride as the 75, but i would NEVER knock volvo they are very good cars, loooking forward to mid october
motel
Advice/input re 75 buying decision - JohnM{P}
If you look at the Rover website at the 75 specification, it says that '95% of steel panels are covered in zinc for corrosion protection'
If you look at the NCAP crash test results in detail (ignore the stars), you'll see the 75 has very nearly the best.
Advice/input re 75 buying decision - andymc {P}
Hi all, I tried to post yesterday evening but for some reason it didn't take and I hadn't thought to copy my text. Oh well.
Thanks for the extra answers and information. HJ, I'm astounded (in a good way) at that price - I had missed the item from the other week. Certainly something to bear in mind. To be honest, I hadn't thought of trying to buy at auction, but as the car I'm looking for should still be within warranty and I'll only buy one with full history, it could be a useful option for me to follow up. I had been thinking of the power upgrade, but now that I know it costs £490, I might look into the cost of getting an independent to do it.
The anti-corrosion warranty is for six years rather than 12, but hopefully that won't be a problem - I'd probably be changing the car around the time it reaches that age. Paul, I take your point about Rovers in general and I would never consider any other Rover than the 75 (well, maybe the MG ZT), but I think the number of times it has reached the top ten in satisfaction surveys is a good indicator of the 75's superiority over other Rover products, especially considering the generally negative attitude to Rovers which has prevailed up to now. As for alternatives, Mercs are too dear to buy or insure, likewise Beamers and Audi A4 (plus Beamers are getting a bit naff, and they're everywhere), Mondeos and Passats are a bit too dull, Renault/Peugeot/Citroen too low quality or too unreliable, no X-type in diesel yet. Volvo diesels would be my only other choice (5 cylinder S60, yum) but prices (again) and availability are an issue with that one.
The hunt continues!