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But the thread is Sports Personality of the Year. Happy to move it to the motorsport thread. But with the winner being a cyclist I am not sure where this will go.
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I suppose you could re-title it is F1 a real sport? I imagine putting it the motorsport thread might make it a rather sterile argument!
Not terribly bothered, but thought quite a few BR people might have an opinion.
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But this is a motoring forum. And this thread is not motoring. Motorsport including F1 has its own thread.
I can see why we would want to debate other non-motoring items amongst "friends"....
Rob
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Get off your high horse rtj70. There are postings about computer problems on this website and that's nothing to do with cars either is it?
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But the computer posts go in the computer thread, sat nav in the sat nav thread and general questions in IHAQ. So this one didn't fit in any of them hence me pointing out it therefore has to be motoring related.
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Edited by Webmaster on 15/12/2008 at 19:12
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Get off your high horse rtj70.
If you cannot show some respect towards the moderators of this forum and abide by their decision then I will cancel your membership, as per the terms & conditions that you agreed to when you joined.
Webmaster.
Edited by Webmaster on 15/12/2008 at 19:12
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Edited by Pugugly on 15/12/2008 at 19:36
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but....but
Ok Naughty step for me,
100 Lines, I must not knock the mod, no matter how pedantic they appear to be.
Seriously though (if you let the post stay) there are many more posts on various topics on HJ that deserve editing, and these are posted not as a "laugh" ?
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Rebecca Adlington, IMHO, should have won. All she has as equipment is a swimming suit, cap and goggles, backed by early morning training comprising hundreds of hours and thousands of miles of swimming.
Takes dedication, determination and the will to win without any mechanical means, although I will readily concede that the cycling team was just as dedicated; Lewis has the ability but also has the right car - a critical factor in F1.
Meanwhile Rebecca has already started training for the 2012 Olympics and other events and reckons she will swim some 11,000 miles during training up to that time.
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No doubt Hoy has a good bike, but it won't confer on him the advantage a Mclaren confers on Hamilton.
Suspicion remains in Formula One that several of the best drivers could win given the right car.
Edited by ifithelps on 15/12/2008 at 14:40
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It's a pity we didn't get to see what the race between Hoy and Hamilton was all about. It was called off due to the conditions.
I know of someone who once ended up racing someone on his push bike. The car driver being impatient behind him and the race just sort of started. Except the bike eventually won because of the speed through corners! (Windy country lanes). Oh and the bike rider did is semi-professionally and the bike di cost over £3000 back in the early 90s.
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i read in the radio times that a letter sent in to them suggested as he did not live in this country for tax reasons he should not have been eligible to be considered for this award.i have to say i agree with that statement.
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i read in the radio times that a letter sent in to them suggested as he did not live in this country for tax reasons he should not have been eligible to be considered for this award.i have to say i agree with that statement.
He only has one race a year in this country, so why should it matter where he lives?
If Damon Hill can win the award twice, I reckon that Hamilton should have won this year.
Can anyone remember which TV series had the catch phrase "is it cos I'm black"?
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I am not a really a Hamilton fan, but it is good to see a Brit a the top.
There is no way he deserves such an award, everyone seems to forget that there are many sportsmen and women out there struggling to get where they want to be or are. Hamilton has had his nose wiped since an early age, and as much I respect his father for everything he has sacrificed for Lewis, I just wish we did not have to see him in almost everything that Lewis is involved with.
There are several driver out there better than Hamilton, but do not have the right machine.
"is it cos I am black"
You must be joking........Look at the support he gets, did you ever seen so much support for Jensen Button or Coultard. BTW I am not IC1
Edited by CheapNcheerfull on 15/12/2008 at 19:00
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>>>You must be joking........Look at the support he gets, did you ever seen so much >>>support for Jensen Button or Coultard.
Coultard drove for McLaren for many years and just wasn't good enough. Button has always been a bit of a joke driver IMO.
I think for a man, whose father was an immigrant from Grenada, has done very well in a competitive sport. I thought he was very sporting last night when coming second.
There are several good drivers today in F1 and I think Hamilton is in the top 3. They used to say that it was the car that made Schumacher the driver he was. No way, he was the greatest (except possibly for Fangio).
I think that Lewis Hamilton is a credit to this country and hope he wins next year.
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Quizman,
Completly agree with you, but the results last night can not be put down to your original comments.
Hamilton is Top 3 but has the best Car and it does make as difference, except in the case of Schumacher who probably still is the greatest, even though my idol is Senna.
The saddest thing for F1 was losing Senna, simply because we did not get the chance to see him and Schumacher battle is out is equal machinery ?
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Hamilton is Top 3 but has the best Car
Think you'll find that all the experts actually agreed that the red cars were the best, not the silver cars...
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If anyone is still following this as looks like I have been banished !
I think it wouild be Red or Silver, depending on the circuit etc, but still one of the best cars there out of 4
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If anyone is still following this as looks like I have been banished !
Eh?
I'm just going on what all the experts and pundits have said, the best car won the Team championship, the best driver won the WDC... Think BMW might have something to say as well... consistancy and reliablity count as well... You specifically said that he had the best car, not one of the best... he didn't, the best car was a Ferrari.
Edited by b308 on 15/12/2008 at 21:22
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Hi b308, ( banished - the thread was moved to F1 )
Yep I did say that, but I that is my thought but I am by no way an expert (usually watch the first 20mins or so then go and do something else), I am not sure which car was the most reliable this year, but they must be the two closest on the circuit in terms of performance etc ?
In truth, I like to see a good debate, although I do not think Hamilton is the best out there at the moment.
What do you think of the new proposed rules, will it make it more interesting to watch ?
{This was the most appropriate place for this thread although not totally motorsport related... it is now turning back to F1 so it might make sense to make a new branch to the F1/Motorsport thread to discuss the proposed rule changes for F1.}
Edited by rtj70 on 15/12/2008 at 21:56
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Hi b308 ( banished - the thread was moved to F1 )
What do you think of the new proposed rules will it make it more interesting to watch ?
Ah I see!
Personally I don't like the way they keep messing around with the rules/points, etc, etc...
F1, I thought, was supposed to be the pinacle of motor sport, so either you allow free reign or it just becomes another form of motorsport, but one where you can't overtake!
TBH I don't know what the answer is, I can see where they are coming from and applaud the actions to try to get closer racing... but that dilutes the purity of it... In the 50s and 60s, with less technology it was easier for them but now its all about money... perhaps thats the answer? Put a cap on total spending for each team... that would still aloow them to build whatever they want... but when the money runs out...
Edited by b308 on 16/12/2008 at 08:20
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The funny thing is that Max's rules and regulations adds expense to the sport. They are so tightly tied down by specification that it costs several million pounds to a get 1 or 2 tenths a lap speed increase. Its classic 80/20 rule.
Do away with regulation on specifications, allow innovation and left field thinking to predominate and racing will get cheaper.
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The funny thing is that Max's rules and regulations adds expense to the sport.
Not to mention the cost of policing them...
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I'm looking forward to next season. Less drag and slick tyres back. Whoopee! we might have some overtaking on the circuit as opposed to the pits.
I for one cannot wait until the refueling is banned in 2010.
I've been watching F1 for nigh on 25 years, and the day they re-introduced refueling was partly the blame for the paint-drying experience of F1 racing, along with grooved tyres, which caused the teams to spend most of their time extracting grip with the aerodynamics, to the detriment of every car behind in the "Dirty" air following.
Overtaking as a result of a slicker pitstop / fueling strategy is completely uninteresting to me and 2010 can't come soon enough.
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The funny thing is that Max's rules and regulations adds expense to the sport. They are so tightly tied down by specification that it costs several million pounds to a get 1 or 2 tenths a lap speed increase. Its classic 80/20 rule. Do away with regulation on specifications allow innovation and left field thinking to predominate and racing will get cheaper.
Totaly free apart from open wheels and a minimum weight (to keep costs down). One tyre to be delivered to organisers two weeks before the race and used in the race, whether starting on it or changed in a pit stop.
If you like you can turn up with a 7 or 8 litre aluminium Chevy based pushrod engine or a two stage turbocharged 2 litre diesel.
Or for that matter a Garret TPE 731!
Edited by lotusexige on 28/01/2009 at 15:18
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lewis hamilton gets a couple of wins under his belt then delcares himself a tax exile, refuses to do pre race interviews all season .... personality ?
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Let's all be honest here, if we were liable for the sort of tax an F1 or any other mega earner is paying, we would be living where we could pay less.
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If I was 23, earning several millions a year, getting to drive fast cars for free etc. Would I really care what anyone thought........
I remember thinking Eddie Irvine was very honest about that sort of thing.
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Yes Irvine was honest, refused to move from Ireland and hated Monaco, must agree there are more tax havens around, nicer than Monaco.
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I think the whole 'Sports Personality of the Year' would be alot less cheesy if they just dropped the 'ality' bit of the subject part. Why not just 'BBC Sportsperson of the Year'?
p.s. Didn't Lewis Hamilton look tiny next to Rebecca Adlington & Chris Hoy!
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Most F1 drivers are short(ish) - I think one exception is Mark Webber. So no surprise there.
So now this is an F1/Motorsport thread... I'll move it to the F1/Motorsport thread ;-)
Edited by rtj70 on 15/12/2008 at 21:04
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It's a good job we had the Olympics this year, what else would they have filled the 2 hours with?
Lewis can have it next year, unless we win back the Ashes.
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Lewis can have it next year unless we win back the Ashes.
lewis has got it then.
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Most F1 drivers are short(ish)
I thought that too, but he's 5' 9" and according to Wikki average hight for 16-24 yr olds in the UK is 5' 9"! Thought it was more than that... would explain why my 5' 10" daughter keeps getting smaller boyfriends!!
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Yes Irvine was honest refused to move from Ireland and hated Monaco must agree
He tried monaco but the girls there blanked him, so he moved back to easier pickings.
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He tried monaco but the girls there blanked him so he moved back to easier pickings.
Heh heh AE, that may well be about the size of it... yes, Irvine is honest perhaps about some things but an exceptionally boorish individual, I have been convincingly told. Top sportsmen in youth are seldom well-rounded characters - how can they be? - but they don't have to be nasty, and quite a lot aren't.
Edited by Lud on 28/01/2009 at 15:32
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