General question, sidewall tyre repair?  
General question, sidewall tyre repair? - Petel
Evening all.

All four tyres of Sisters car stabbed through the sidewall last night. Whilst ringing round for new ones, one tyre place stated that sidewall punctures ( these are punctures rather than slashes ) can be repaired but that they would have to send them away for a week.

Leaving aside the question of cost, does anyone have any experience of this proceedure that they could share with me please?
Thank you

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 05/03/2008 at 00:37

Tags: legal wheels and tyres scams

General question, tyre repair? - Armitage Shanks {p}
A quick Google reveals:-

It is illegal to repair tyre sidewall damage (UK and certain other countries). Sidewall punctures severely weaken the tyre and should be resolved by Tyre ...



General question, tyre repair? - Petel
Thats my point, I was also under that impression.
Rgds.
General question, tyre repair? - bathtub tom
Many years ago, I had a nasty gash in a sidewall repaired by a specialist. SWMBO was learning, and I didn't feel like buying a new tyre every time she kerbed it.
General question, tyre repair? - Armitage Shanks {p}
I got the impression that you had been told that this damage could be repaired and were seeking opinions as to the adviseability of having it done! It appears to be against the law so No and the people you spoke to don't seem to be very well informed!
General question, tyre repair? - Petel
Dear AS.
I appreciate your concern but having been told, out of the blue, that a facility to repair sidewall punctures was available ( a proceedure that I was under the impression had been effectively outlawed ) I posted the question to find out,

1, If anyone could confirm if this was infact the case or not?

2, If the facility is available, if anyone has used it and could comment on its effectiveness or its success or failure?

Thanks and regards.

Edited by Petel on 04/03/2008 at 22:52

General question, tyre repair? - k341sjr
hello there we do tyre repairs at work but are not allowed to repair sidewalls and would not even consider this an option . my advice would be get some tyres from a local salvage yard or replace with cheap remoulds
General question, tyre repair? - Petel
Thanks k341sjr.
I replaced the tyres with brand new this PM.

I might ( repeat might ) consider the local scrappy for a pair of tyres for my own car but not on someone elses.

You also mention " cheap remoulds "
Was told today by two tyre places, that these too are now outlawed.

Rgds.
General question, tyre repair? - Armitage Shanks {p}
Petel I don't wish to seem to be misunderstanding with you (again) but remould tyres are fully legal as a Google search will reveal! However they are generally not recommended. Oddly enough most high performance/load aircraft tyres, military and civil, are remoulds!
General question, tyre repair? - Petel
Thanks again AS.

I am aware that remould tyres are available, I presume that the tyre places were just taking advantage of a bad situation and trying to get me to buy from them because I was in a hurry. In fact, it was one of the two who gave me the highest quote ( way higher than any of the others ) for the supply and fit of the tyres.

As to aircraft tyres, I used to work on maintaining Herc's

As to the question of sidewall repair, I will be calling at the place where the chap made the statement on Thursday PM, taking one of the tyres with me. Will report on what I find out.

Thanks again, Petel
General question, tyre repair? - piston power
Yes it can be done vulcanising they put a large patch over the side wall from the beed to the top of the tyre and weld it into place by melting the rubber to the tyre. (inside)


Seen it done year\'s ago most second hand tyre shops will have one.

However they never ballance up right, i wouldn\'t want one on my car, we used to fit tubes to tyres when this happened but they stopped fitting tubes.

Best buy new tyres and catch the scum that did this and poke him with the same tool!
General question, tyre repair? - Petel
Update.

Went to the tyre place this PM with one of the punctured tyres in the boot. Managed to find the chap I spoke to on Tuesday PM, asked about the repair he had mentioned during the phone call and offered to show him the tyre.

" Ah--- yes--- well--- you see--- the thing of it is----- we just got a memo from head office saying we are not sending anymore tyres for major repair, blah, blah, blah. "

" Yeh right " thinks I.

So, its back to my original question in the hope that someone in the Backroom can throw more light on the matter. Perhaps, what constitutes a " Major repair " or any information as to a company that does this type of work?

Thanks to bigtee for the reply.

Thank you.

Edited by Petel on 06/03/2008 at 21:09

General question, tyre repair? - Armitage Shanks {p}
Sidewall repairs not legal!

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General question, tyre repair? - piston power
Im not saying there legal but they can be done.

I worked for a fast fit garage some 14yrs ago and wages were very poor lets just say good tyres came off and we sold them to second hand tyre shops & they didn't mind tyres with side wall punctures.

They repaired them with either a tube patch which is flexible if a small hole or a side wall patch if larger, these things still go on i don't wear blinkers!

Weather it's legal or not it still goes on have a trip into a second hand tyre shop and examine the tyres you will see side wall patches, end of the day it's up to you, but after a few more years experiance new tyres are for me!.
General question, tyre repair? - Petel
My thanks again to AS.
I had that illustration from a different website but it did not have the text above it, so much appreciated.

Thanks again to Bigtee.
Appreciate your input and am by no means surprised by your comments. I fully aggree with your comment re new tyres and as stated, the tyres in question have already been replaced with brand new.
Thanks again.
General question, tyre repair? - pmh
Sidewall repairs not legal!

tinyurl.com/yrws2e


Where does this say it is not legal? it only defines it as a 'major repair' if it is in the side wall.

This presumably means that it cannot be legally repaired using the simple plug technique with cold vulcanising. Most tyre retailers will tell you that they cannot (ie not allowed to) repair, although I would suggest that factory repairs are allowed, subject to complying with the BS, are acceptable. It suits the retailer to only give half the story, as it his job is to sell new tyres. However I cannot find any web info on this.

Not that I would want one!



General question, tyre repair? - gordonbennet
Many moons ago, before and after leaving school i worked for a tyre repair specialist (gone like so many others), we could repair all sorts of tyre damage.

To be fair car tyres unless by nail/ puncture damage are not paticularly cost effective for proper expert repair, the vast majority of repair work is for the haulage, agricultural and heavy plant industries.

Please do not confuse a tyre fitter putting a patch or plugging a nail hole with a larger version of a cycle tyre repair kit, to a professional repair using specialist techniques to cut out the damaged section and vulcanise a strong and multi layered patch to the carcase of the tyre, which also has the outside damage filled with raw rubber and ground down/regrooved to make an almost invisible repair(the cosmetic finishing done after vulcanising).

The whole tyre is then cooked in a mould appropriate for the tyre in question.

Its many years since i worked in the tyre game, but these people are one of the foremost in the business, and i used to work with one of the directors (he's worked up from the shop floor), if you want more info, i'm sure they would give you some advice.

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General question, tyre repair? - jackyboy
Hey, its good to hear that some one knows about tyre repairs and not just wafflin on as if they do quoting bs numbers.( out of date ones at that) i have my own business repairing tyres for garages, hauliers and earthmover contractors,this is my 12th year of doing major repairs i started of in a tyre retread plant where i was taught my trade an was sent on many courses to keep up to date with changes, i repair car tyres simply because you cant go to a tyre dealer and tell them you will do their work but dont want their car tyres only the tyres that will make money you got to have the crap with the cream to put it bluntly, its all in the service...
General question, tyre repair? - Petel
Thank you Jackyboy, appreciate you input.
Petel the OP
General question, tyre repair? - Armitage Shanks {p}
BS 159 says, quote:-

"BS159 dictates that in order for a tyre to qualify for repair, a number of factors must be checked. The damage to the tyre must be in the tread, not the wall."

Most BR members seem to say that they would never use a tyre with repaired sidewall damage so why all the angst about whether it is legal or not? In fact it isn't but it isn't sensible either!

Edited by Armitage Shanks {p} on 08/03/2008 at 14:26

General question, tyre repair? - Petel
Many thanks to all who have contributed to this thread. The input was much appreciated.
Thank you and regards, Petel
General question, tyre repair? - jcarrion
In Africa , people ussually repair the sidewall tyres with no futther problem . A big patch , professionally installed , and running at the right pressures and you ll find no problem at all

Edited by Webmaster on 11/03/2008 at 02:15

General question, tyre repair? - jackyboy
it depends on the way the damage is , radial ( up & down ) or across the sidewall, up & down is usually repairable but across the cords means loss of structural strength, try Reply tyre repairs at ely in cambridgshire,
General question, tyre repair? - jackyboy
It is not illegal to repair the sidewall of a tyre as long as it is done properly ( vulcanised) i make my living doing this. car, truck 4x4 and even large earthmover tyres can all be done. im sure my insurance company wouldnt entertain me if it wasnt,
General question, tyre repair? - Alby Back
Which part of the country are you based in JB ?
General question, tyre repair? - jackyboy
based at Soham,ely cambridgeshire,
General question, tyre repair? - Alby Back
Oh well never mind, I just thought if you were near me and I ever needed your help.......I'm in Cheshire so it might not be wonderfully economical for either of us !

Good to know that these repairs are possible. I've binned a couple of otherwise good tyres in the past due to sidewall damage.
General question, tyre repair? - jackyboy
No problem,check your yellow pages under tyre repair & retreading you might get lucky.
General question, tyre repair? - jc2
Tyre place up the road from me(chelmsford,essex)advertizes sidewall repairs.
General question, tyre repair? - jackyboy
make sure it is a vulcanised repair as the law states that all penetrations must be filled and the unit (patch) is reinforced to replace the strength lost due to injury.
replytyrerepairs@hotmail.com
General question, tyre repair? - maltrap
What would a typical tyre wall repair on a regular sized car tyre cost?
General question, tyre repair? - Petel
Hello Jackyboy and thank you for your input.

The punctures in my case were not ( subject to closer examination ) up/down or side/side, they were nail or spike, tyres are near new Bridgestone 145/65x14.

Thank you, Petel the OP

Edited by Petel on 17/08/2008 at 23:20

General question, tyre repair? - jackyboy
Nail or spike, not a problem. i repaired a full set of tyres for a girl who"s x boyfriend used a dart to put a hole in the sidewall of all four tyres she was pleased untill a few weeks later he done it again, once again i repaired them but explained that i could only put 2 repairs in each tyre. he didnt do it again,, so far
General question, tyre repair? - jackyboy
I usually charge £10-£15 per tyre ,insured n guaranteed, then the tyre companys usually put their handling fee on top
General question, tyre repair? - Petel
Thank you Jackyboy, wish I was closer to Cambridgeshire.
Regards.

Edited by Petel on 19/08/2008 at 18:16

General question, tyre repair? - none
We send all of our 'badly' punctured tyres for major repair, and I guess that jackyboy is in this business.
It's a trade business really, and our repairer assesses the damage, the mileage left in the tyre, cost of repair (usually £10 - £20) and then repairs it or returns the tyre as uneconomic to repair. They reject most sidewall damage, and any cosmetic repairs they do make to the tread or sidewall are undetectable.



General question, tyre repair? - piston power
Do they still sell remould tyres for car's?

When i fitted them 20+ yrs ago i have seen them with the tread falling off & badly twisted.

General question, tyre repair? - jackyboy
yes they are still about but with the market flooded with cheap tyres from out east there is no point in buyin a second life tyre.
General question, tyre repair? - jackyboy
thats the way it should be done, at the end of the day its got to be viable for both parties, side walls take extra special care so take a little longer meaning why spend the time on one tyre(sidewall) when you can do two easy ones(crown) and get more money for the company ? a lot depends on how busy the repairer is at that time.
General question, tyre repair? - Firefox

After having a non repairable tyre (sidewall damage) by normal means (cold vulcanization or patch), and what with it being a very unusual tyre (winter tyre that had only been used for a month) that I couldn't find a replacement for (in the whole of Europe) I was thinking I may have to go back to using my summer tyres, which is not advisable on a mid engined, rear wheel drive MR2 in the snow and ice we've been having lately. Using a vague idea of something called hot vulcanization, or major tyre repair I found this website and noticed Jackyboy's comments. Luckily for me Jackyboy was within an hours drive, and after a quick chat I took my stripped tyre up to him to get repaired. I was very impressed with the professionalism, speed and cost involved in getting the work done and the repaired tyre has been problem free. Will definitely use Jackyboy again (although I'm hoping not for the foreseeable future!) and would have no hesitation recommending his services to any one else. Hope that this information helps other people who are in a similar position to me.

General question, tyre repair? - carole55
Do you have contact details for jackyboy?
General question, tyre repair? - jackyboy

07702 139818 reply tyre repairs

General question, tyre repair? - Hot Vulcanizing

After having a non repairable tyre (sidewall damage) by normal means (cold vulcanization or patch), and what with it being a very unusual tyre (winter tyre that had only been used for a month) that I couldn't find a replacement for (in the whole of Europe) I was thinking I may have to go back to using my summer tyres, which is not advisable on a mid engined, rear wheel drive MR2 in the snow and ice we've been having lately. Using a vague idea of something called hot vulcanization, or major tyre repair I found this website and noticed Jackyboy's comments. Luckily for me Jackyboy was within an hours drive, and after a quick chat I took my stripped tyre up to him to get repaired. I was very impressed with the professionalism, speed and cost involved in getting the work done and the repaired tyre has been problem free. Will definitely use Jackyboy again (although I'm hoping not for the foreseeable future!) and would have no hesitation recommending his services to any one else. Hope that this information helps other people who are in a similar position to me.

For anyone in nottinghamshire and derbyshire google "robs heanor tyres" ive just had two tyres Hot Vulcanised. Both were screws on the curve where the tread finishes and the sidewall starts £24 per repair

General question, tyre repair? - mandator

After having a non repairable tyre (sidewall damage) by normal means (cold vulcanization or patch), and what with it being a very unusual tyre (winter tyre that had only been used for a month) that I couldn't find a replacement for (in the whole of Europe) I was thinking I may have to go back to using my summer tyres, which is not advisable on a mid engined, rear wheel drive MR2 in the snow and ice we've been having lately. Using a vague idea of something called hot vulcanization, or major tyre repair I found this website and noticed Jackyboy's comments. Luckily for me Jackyboy was within an hours drive, and after a quick chat I took my stripped tyre up to him to get repaired. I was very impressed with the professionalism, speed and cost involved in getting the work done and the repaired tyre has been problem free. Will definitely use Jackyboy again (although I'm hoping not for the foreseeable future!) and would have no hesitation recommending his services to any one else. Hope that this information helps other people who are in a similar position to me.

For anyone in nottinghamshire and derbyshire google "robs heanor tyres" ive just had two tyres Hot Vulcanised. Both were screws on the curve where the tread finishes and the sidewall starts £24 per repair

I had a puncture in the shoulder of an almost new avon zv5 i was told cant be repaired i found this thread contacted Jack at reply tyres. sent the tyre to him he made a first class job of the repair £20.00 i had the tyre picked up and delivered to my home Jack is very helpfull and will do his best for you thanks jack i wikk use again if the need arises.

replytyres 25 New Town Rd, Ely, Cambridgeshire, CB6 3TF

General question, tyre repair? - Collos25

I don´t think you should have printed his address if he is doing something illegal then he is in for a quick call.

I have had a quick look at various guides to repairing tyres and everyone states that a sidewall must not be repaired.

Edited by Collos25 on 21/12/2012 at 17:35

General question, tyre repair? - jackyboy

collos25 im afraid your wrong , i make my living doing repairs as i have done the past 15 years for tyre companies, garages and other companys, im sure if it was illegal my insurance company might have somthing to say about it i have had an insurance underwriter watch the process and was happy that it was done to their satisfaction. i think your not reading your various guides properly. i dont do plug repairs, my repairs are all vulcanised, the way they should be.ordinary garages cant do hot cure repairs as most dont have the equipment or know how thats why they send them off to a tyre repair specialist company...

General question, tyre repair? - gordonbennet

Yo, happy new year Jackyboy, glad you and the few than can are still fixing tyres up the proper way.

General question, tyre repair? - jackyboy

cheers gb

General question, tyre repair? - vmturbo

Surely whether the tyre is weakened or not depends on the size of the puncture?

Some lowlife has punctured at least two of my tyres in the sidewalls using something like a needle or a dart. The tyres can be inflated OK but of course there are slow punctures which initially are not noticed. The leaks can only be found by immersing the tyre in water or by using a wet sponge on the sidewall. Presumably the attack was done this way in the hope of causing an accident or of getting me stranded far from home. Long experience however shows that slimy cowardly attacks such as these are par for the course nowadays in the far southwest. Of course it doesn't help when the council uses the town which used to have low-crime figures, as a gulag.

Tractor tyre sealant such as OKO should seal the slow punctures although it would get centrifuged to the tread area where it is not required. Superglue forced into the holes might work but it should not be necessary to live like this.

Possibly custom made wheel clamps that cover as much of the tyre as possible could be used to hinder this type of attack but the scumbags might just petrol-bomb the car.

The culprits may well be drug-addicts who frequently have chips on their shoulders because they have no money. I just wish that there was a team of Vigilantes available for hire!

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - TYRE MAN

You can have your tyres repaired on the side wall . but only on a tyre that has minima damage. a slash i doubt can be repaired because the cord would be damaged thus weakning the side wall seriously . but a small puncture such as a screw/nail could be repaired by filling it with rubber putting a special patch on and vulcanising it or putting it in an autoclave (oven for tyres ) if you were to repair a tyre with a slash it would probably bubble up anyway because of the cord damage, hope this helps

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - Technical Guy

This is an interesting discussion, if only because it reveals the varying knowledge and opinions that exist in the market place. Sidewall repairs are perfectly legal as has been stated previously in the threads, but they have to be carried out by a qualified specialist, who has the knowledge and materials to apply a reinforced repair which is vulcanised into place. Having said that, there are dimensional limitations to the allowed size of repair.

Continuing with a comment on remoulds, also mentioned in the threads, when they are the product of a strictly quality controlled process they are a perfectly good option - again as quoted in other threads, when we fly on Aircraft, one should bear in mind that the Tyres are remoulded anything up to 18 times before they are discarded - all perfectly safe! The motivation for increased use of remoulds is the environment, why waste over 75% of the carcass and energy required to build a Tyre, when all that is worn is the tread? Clearly one would not recommend remoulds for a Porsche Turbo which is going to be driven flat out across Germany, but for more everyday use they are a good environmental option. Indeed future legislation is pushing for more remoulds not less!

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - Red&Bold

I know its a bit off the sidewall subject but... when i was in the army we used to recut the tread in our vehicles tyres when they were worn low. these were off road tyres used on LR's, Bedford and Leyland Daf Trucks etc and obviously designed with enough rubber to be able to do this sometimes up to 4 times over on the same tyre. Is this what you guys would be refering to when you say Remould?

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - gordonbennet

Regroovable tyres are usually stamped as such on the sidewall, i've been out the game too long to tell you if some remoulds are suitable for recut too..

Never recut a tyre more than once meself but then Army spec offroad tyres weren't often in our remit, on normal truck tyres you'd be scraping the wires or cutting the cords if you tried a second recut.

Never seen a car tyre that was legally regroovable either, but my old mate used to regroove his car tyres that well only an expert could tell, don't worry that was 40 years ago and he's been dead for half that..;)

Remould is where the whole tread and shoulder is ground off, and the sidewall lightly buffed. A new uncured band of rubber is stuck to the now rough surfaced carcass with solution and a light covering put on the sidewall only deep enough really for new tyre info labelling. The tyre is then revulcanised in a mould compete with it's new tread pattern.

Recap's is where just the tread is ground off, not the shoulder.

Don't see remould car tyres any more now the Chinese supply cheap stuff, pity as some remoulds were good.

Plenty of remould truck and bigger tyres though.

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - Roly93
Evening all. All four tyres of Sisters car stabbed through the sidewall last night. Whilst ringing round for new ones, one tyre place stated that sidewall punctures ( these are punctures rather than slashes ) can be repaired but that they would have to send them away for a week. Leaving aside the question of cost, does anyone have any experience of this proceedure that they could share with me please? Thank you

Is this the same guy who fixed the windscreen seal of a Ryanair jet with gaffa tape I wonder !

Utter rubbish, you cannot practically or legally repair tyre sidewallls.

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - piston power

Utter rubbish, you cannot practically or legally repair tyre sidewallls.

According to Kwik Fit you can repair sidewalls but they don't do it & the second hand tyre industry has been doing it for years and illegally which if a pin prick a tube patch fitted over will be just fine to stop the leak.

It's personal choice when i sold runners after ripping you good folks off to compliment my poor wages at Kwik Fit we used to repair the tyres we took off your cars and this included the sidewalls with tube patches or tyre patches but if in tread and close to the wall a mushroom patch was used so long as it flexes.

I wouldn't want them on my car today but buying a second hand car how would you know what the tyres are like on the inside?

Inner tubes were fitted back in the day when sidewalls had holes in and they survived to a point.:-)

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - bathtub tom

>>Utter rubbish, you cannot practically or legally repair tyre sidewallls.

Yes you can, if done properly.

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - jackyboy

check a previous posting from firefox for info on your tyres,,cheers

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - steveJN

Had a needle puncture in the sidewall repaired by Robs Heanor Tyres (4x4 tyre) tyres www.robstyreandwheelcare.co.uk/ He spent 20 minutes loooking for the minute hole then applied a hot vulcanised sidewall repair that needed 24 hours to cure and consolidate into the tyre wall. He is fully authorised and certified to do major tyre repairs.

Easy access to garage from junction 26 M1. The repair cost £24!!!!!- saved £175 on a new tyre!!!!

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - jackyboy

have a look at reply tyre repairs on facebook it might give an idea as to how its done,

like the page if its of any help please..

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - Sir Lancelot

New tyres regardless of the cost. What is a life worth?

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - DeanGoods
I understand this concept but most of us live in the real world of budgeting and sensible risk assessment. From this Holy Mantra “What is a life worth?”, we should all pay for everything and anything, no matter the cost. However, we simply cannot afford it and we should not be afraid to challenge all 'professional advice'. Should we stop driving cars because there’s a chance we might become a road death statistic?
Acceptance of such advice without question leads to the cost of Goods and Services inflating; that is the Supply and Demand nature of commerce.
To bring it back to earth, try this:
I have a small / slow air leak from a car tyre. My UK garage insists it is irreparable because the leak is on the shoulder of the tyre (not the sidewall but the junction between tread and sidewall). They insist it would be dangerous to repair and illegal to do so.
Of course, before I had seen the evidence of the leak, I had been driving at the national speed limit for some time without a tyre failure, and without noticable loss of control.
Following a holiday without the car, when it was not used for 14 days, it was noticeably deflated so I introduced a weekly top-up regime. I knew I had a slow puncture but I have now been regularly checking the pressure and find it loses 2 psi per week.
Yesterday, following another week without use in these very hot daytime temperatures, the air loss had worsened so I sought a professional repair; which was refused.
Please help me understand several contradictions:
# the categoric nature of the 'Must not be repaired' (and why?) from the Tyre Fitting Specialist
# the vagueness of where the shoulder begins and, therefore, the point at which the tyre becomes scrap
# the reason given that the flexing of the tyre will lead to the patch falling off, and this might be catastrophic
# the suggestion that I buy a new, replacement ‘Budget’ tyre to replace the punctured tyre or a new, latest version from the maker of the leaking tyre (which seems to mean there is no merit in having front tyres balanced in either wear or tread pattern or construction).
I presently await a reply to these queries from the manufacturer of my tyres but would also be interested in other tyre owners experiences and views.
General question, sidewall tyre repair? - thunderbird

Here is a link to the contents of BS AU 159. It clearly defines what is and what is not allowed. The document clearly shows that penetration repairs are not allowed on the shoulder of the tyre.

www.btmauk.com/data/files/Minor_repairs_to_passeng...f

Tyres cost pence in comparrison to fule, insurance, RFL and servicing over the life of the car. If you cannot or are not prepared to abide by the law simply stop driving.

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - bathtub tom

>>Here is a link to the contents of BS AU 159. It clearly defines what is and what is not allowed.

It does NOT clearly state what is and what is not allowed. It states:

Minor repairs to passenger car and light van tyres

Note the first word!

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - thunderbird

It does NOT clearly state what is and what is not allowed.

Yes it does. Simply read it. It shows where a repair is permitted and where it is not.

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - bathtub tom

Simply read it.

!!!

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - madf

It does NOT clearly state what is and what is not allowed.

Yes it does. Simply read it. It shows where a repair is permitted and where it is not.

"Note: Minor surface rubber repairs (i.e. no penetration or

ply damage) using penetration filling material only, are

permitted anywhere on the exterior of the tyre without limits."

is pretty unambiguous to anyone who can read and understand English.

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - gordonbennet

Attn DeanGoods.

From your post <<<Yesterday, following another week without use in these very hot daytime temperatures, the air loss had worsened so I sought a professional repair; which was refused.>>>

Did you ask a professional at a tyre repair workshop, or did you ask at the local tyre fitting bay who are not trained nor have the equipment to undertake Major repairs.

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - mfarrow

I remember this thread coming up those 5 years ago, and it's good to see we're still debating it!

I recently had a nail repair done to a shoulder of a new Michelin. Done very nicely and you cannot notice the repair. It was a major repair and the tyre sent away to do it.

It was a pity, though, that it took so long to find a garage willing to send it away, and I was told repeatedly on the phone that the repair would be 'illegal'. Yes, if it was a standard plug repair done to BS AU 159 then it would be non-compliant to the standard and possibly illegal (though I don't know under what regulations/law you would be prosecuted [Construction & Use???]). But otherwise these repairs are fine and until Trading Standards and ASA start prosecuting garages for not telling customers the truth then we'll be stuck with this throw-away money grabbing situation which is no better than quick fitting garages telling customers their brake pads need replacing when there's 1/2" left on them.

Anyway, the tyre seems fine, well balanced, and no longer losing pressure. I would definitely do the same again.

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - jackyboy

tyre depots and garages will display the info on minor repairs which they can provide but not the MAJOR repair info which they cant do themselves,,

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - jackyboy

ref..deangoods

`#1, i assume it was a local tyre shop that told you that, and i dont suppose they could do any repairs apart from pulling a plug patch through the tyre ( minor repair) so only display to the public what they want you to see.

#2,shoulder is about from the nearest to the wall groove to about an inch onto the side depending on the tyre,

#3, the patches are made for both radial and bias tyres you must use the correct type as they are made to flex in certain ways , if you put a bias unit on a radial tyre it will pull itself of during use as it was made to flex in another way,

#4 profit over the counter then n there,,

hope this of some help,,

Edited by jackyboy on 07/08/2013 at 15:44

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - vmturbo

OKO?

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - edlithgow

Bit OT, since I've never used one on a sidewall, but here in Taiwan (and I'm told also in the US) you can get DIY tyre repair kits.

Sticky rubber-coated string ("self-vulcanising"), T-handled rasp thing for cleaning up the hole, and a T-handled needle for inserting the string.

Costs a couple of quid to do 8 punctures, but only really suitable for the likes of nail-holes, not slashes.

You used to be able to get them in The Yook because they were described in a Triumph Herald handbook I had, but I imagine they're long outlawed.

Saved me a lot of money.

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - gordonbennet

Coo, haven't seen a tyre repaired with that type of stitch in plug for over 40 years, they worked but often leaked again, the tyres usually ended up eventually at the workshops where i worked for a proper major repair, using the damaged tyre with this muck stuffed in the hole could allow further damage to occur (and water ingress to the carcass), really only suitable for a tack or drawing pin hole.

I've never been a fan of cold cure, proper patch chosen of suitable construction to suit the damage, inner casing buffed and solutioned, patch applied, outside damage rasped and filled with uncured rubber, vulcanised in correct sized hot mould for an hour, final buffing and finishing, real job done.

General question, sidewall tyre repair? - edlithgow

Daresay a pro-repair is likely to be better (though I'm slightly less sure of that here), and I'm sure a real pro could repair damage far beyond the scope of these things, but I've found them very useful, and anyway I don't speak Mandarin or Taiwanese which gives DIY extra appeal.

When I first saw them I was a bit unsure, and posted a query on the local furriner bulletin board. Ringing endorsements, including some people using them on motorcycle tyres, which is rather braver than I might be comfortable with.

My broken, abandoned Sierra has a lot of them. Mostly substantial nail-hole repairs, possibly student-sabotage since I had some dodgy classes and failed a lot of people around that time. Install, inflate, drive on. No issues at all.

Hasn't been driven for 2 years and the tyres still have air.

Call me cynical, but whatever the merits/demerits of such a device, they aren't likely to be enthusiastically endorsed by the tyre trade.

They save too much money.

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