If the system should have been supplied with a Hauppage WinTV USB TV tuner rather than the K-World, then I would take the matter up with the supplier (providing it's not too far gone since you bought the system) - Hauppauge has been around for a long time producing such devices.
If downloading the latest drivers from:
www.kworld.com.tw/en/index_download_Digital.htm
doesn't work, you could try an
sfc /scannow
(note the space) in case the dbghelp.dll files are corrupted or damaged (or see: www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?dbghelp)
However, as I know from experience, computer TV cards can often prove a pain
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Started writing above about an hour ago, until my best mate turned up - did a cut and paste to preserve it whilst I logged on again and you've already been given the drivers link...:-)
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Thanks, Stuartli; having maligned the user guide (I stand by what I said) I found the driver update very easily on their website!
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>>sfc /scannow
Ta. Running now...
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Ta. Running now...
Got "please insert the windows XP professional service pack 2 CD into your CD-ROM drive"
Inserted it (I know it's the right one because I built the PC from scratch using it having reformatted the HDDs you may recall)
Am informed "wrong CD" ...
Currently trying to find what to do on Microsoft.com, but appreciate advice here too, ta!
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Got "please insert the windows XP professional service pack 2 CD into your CD-ROM drive" Inserted it (I know it's the right one because I built the PC from scratch using it having reformatted the HDDs you may recall) Am informed "wrong CD" ...
I thought you were on Win MCE not Pro?
If you continue to have trouble I have a Hauppage WinTV TV tuner PCI card that is compatible with MCE only so no good to me as I have Pro.
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>>I thought you were on Win MCE not Pro?
I am, but the message clearly said "Pro" !
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If you continue to have trouble I have a Hauppage WinTV TV tuner PCI card that is compatible with MCE only so no good to me as I have Pro
Thanks for the kind offer.
Let's see how things go as I hate being beaten, but there may come a point!
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I should have added; it was a Hauppage device that I thought I'd purchased (though the invoice just says "USB DTV tuner") so I have a discussion to have with the supplier first, too!
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>>I thought you were on Win MCE not Pro? I am, but the message clearly said "Pro" !
So what did you insert, a Pro disc or MCE disc. Of course I assume the latter however the ref to Pro is strange, if there is a bug in your setup and Windows thinks it needs a Pro disc even though you have MCE you could have probs, otherwise it could simply be a default message that applies to MCE and Pro though not Home.
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Do you have two optical drives - i.e. perhaps a CD/DVD-ROM and a rewriter?
If so and they are correctly jumpered as the rewriter being the Master and the ROM as Slave, then you need to use the rewriter (which will be the D drive).
Otherwise follow the advice in this link, including if necessary the Registry mods:
www.updatexp.com/scannow-sfc.html:
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Do you have two optical drives - i.e. perhaps a CD/DVD-ROM and a rewriter?
I have two Sony 18x "all format" reader/burners as my M and N drives, with M as the master. I'm sure all is well as the "scannow" process prompts for the disk half a dozen times along the way, and appears to correctly read it (at least, the scannow progress bar makes a lot more progress having paused whilst the disk was read) It is the seventh (or thereabouts) time that the disk is prompted-for, but reading fails with the message quoted.
Otherwise follow the advice in this link, including if necessary the Registry mods: www.updatexp.com/scannow-sfc.html:
Will take a look now.
Thanks!
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>>as my M and N drives, >>
How many drives do you have? ..:-)
Would (usually) be D and E.
Do you also have USB drives connected?
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Thanks for the list - very interesting reading and I'm carefully working down the list. I have my MESH backup CD with XP MCE SP2 from which I am copying the i386 directory, and have also download a copy of XP SP2 from microsoft.com in case of problem with the former disc.
How many (Barracuda 7200 320GB) drives? ;-)
Two, partitioned as below, plus other devices.
Remembering that I use the PC for video editing and that a 10,000 RPM high speed drive for writing the edited video will be added shortly:
Now waiting for the OTT comments, I will get in first by saying (a) I find this structure easy to work with and have updated "My Documents" to support it, and (b) the PC so far runs beautifully well with it.
Here we go:
HDD 1:
C = XP
D = Program Files (logical partition)
E = Documents (logical partition)
G = Audio Media (logical partition)
HDD 2:
F = Microsoft Flight Simulator (logical partition)
H = Visual Media (logical partition)
Plus:
I = Built in Akasa Card Reader
J = Built in Akasa Card Reader
K = Built in Akasa Card Reader
L = Built in Akasa Card Reader
M = Primary Sony 18x reader/burner
N = Secondary Sony 18x reader/burner
O = Card reader built in to Canon MP800R WiFi printer
HDD 3 (USB):
P = File backup, on top of which DVD burns are regularly made and then kept out of the house
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For info, G and F are named the apparently odd way round so that G (Audio Media) lists adjacent to H (Visual Media) in Windows Explorer.
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That's fair enough..:-)
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That's fair enough..:-)
I'm so pleased to hear it! :-)
Just working my way down the linked page you kindly gave.
scannow gets further than before, but the dreaded message still comes up.
Currently replacing the new c:\i386 folder createdby copying i386 from the MESH backup CD with the same folder from SP2 downloaded from Microsoft.com.
I'll then try again.
Stay tuned!
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Stay tuned!
Not a good night. :-(
Both my ...SourcePath and ...ServicePackSourcePath entries in the Registry showed as M:\ (the primary CD/DVD drive); this is where I was placing the backup CD copy of XP MCE SP2 that MESH supplied with the PC and which I used out of choice to rebuild the PC from scratch. I therefore know it is the correct version, and that it is a "full" i386 folder given it's size at 403,278,489 bytes and that it contains the winnt.exe and winnt32.exe files.
None the less, I followed the instructions in the linked page and copied the i386 folder from the CD to become C:\i386 and then changed the above two registry values to C:\. Unfortunately, this didn't work; I no longer received the initial half a dozen "insert CD" messages, but when the scannow scroll bar reached the same position as represented what was originally the seventh (or so) incidence, the message was again given.
Out of interest, I moved the i386 folder to become C:\Windows\i386, updated both registry entries, rebooted, and tried again. Failure was at the same point, which to me implies a problem with one specific file, given that all the earlier prompts are now passed over.
At this point I made the huge mistake of replacing the i386 folder with one taken from a copy of SP2 downloaded from Microsoft.com. The result was failure at the same point, and after cancelling scannow and rebooting, a trashed PC with some applications no longer working and a screwed Netgear WiFi connection. Three hours later, having gone back to the oldest XP save point, re-installed stuff I actually wanted to remove to get broken uninstall shields to work (!), and deinstalled the wretched TV tuner software that started this merry go round, I then had a working PC again.
Of course scannow still failed at the same point.
Further digging on the web revealed disabling the Group Security Policy for "Restrict CD-ROM access to locally logged-on user" but mine was already disabled.
Back to square one!
Forget the TV tuner (It's goin back to MESH or in the bin), I now simply want to get scannow to work for my piece of mind.
Ideas, please?
Thanks!
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>>Ideas, please?>>
The only other thing I can suggest at present (just off to take the missus for three hospital appointments in a day in Liverpool) is to do an XP Repair.
Although this will/should(!) preserve all your programs, utilities, configuration etc I would suggest a backup first.
To do an XP Repair follow this guide (to save me typing it all out):
www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
You will note that you keep selecting Install initially and then R for Repair (NOT Recovery Console). it takes about 40 minutes.
An XP Repair is always a good move if, for instance, you replace a motherboard as XP doesn't always take to a new mobo. The repair, in this particular case, would be done on the first bootup with "Boot from CD" selected in the Bios.
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>>Ideas, please?>>
Earlier comment re the system asking for a Pro disc, did you resolve this?
Also can you revert to an earlier restore point in System Restore? Start>Programs>Accessories>System Tools>System Restore.
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Earlier comment re the system asking for a Pro disc, did you resolve this?
No - It still prompts for Pro despite deing an MCE installation made from an MCE disk with the same MCE disk being used for scannow.
Also can you revert to an earlier restore point in System Restore? Start>Programs>Accessories>System Tools>System Restore.
Thanks, but this was one of the first things I did, and when it didn't help I went back to the very first restore point without success.
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>>The only other thing I can suggest at present (just off to take the missus for three hospital appointments in a day in Liverpool) is to do an XP Repair.
Thanks, Stuartli.
I will try this later today.
Good luck in Liverpool.
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>>The only other thing I can suggest at present (just off to take the missus for three hospital appointments in a day in Liverpool) is to do an XP Repair.
Having read the guff, I've chickened out.
Yes scannow fails, but the PC works without apparent problem and I can vouch for its heritage (built from the same XP MCE Sp2 disk as is used for scannow, plus Windows updates) so I don't see where scannow goes wrong.
Wuuld rather exhaust scannow, first, but thanks anyway.
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I wonder if I've found the reason for scannow believing that an unnamed file is of the wrong version and then prompting for the source disk; the XP MCE SP2 recovery desk supplied by the computer builder clearly states "Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 Service Pack 2" (exactly as ordered), but Start / Settings / Control Panel / System states "Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition 2002 Service Pack 2".
Is there a chance that the supplied backup disk is actually "slipstreamed" or similar and in fact combined from multiple releases that span 2002, 2004, 2005 and 2005 SP2?
Folder structure in the CD is as follows, noting I have used a lower case "i" for clarity, and dash symbols instead of slashes to prevent any chance of removal on saving this post.
$OEM$
CMPNENTS - MEDIACTR - i386
NETFX - i386
TABLETPC - i386
DOTNETFX -i386
i386
-ASMS
-COMPDATA
-DRW
-LANG
-SVCPACK
-SYSTEM32
For example, when I copied the top level i386 folder to my PC and changed the registry to read this location during scannow, should I also have merged the other four (small) i386 folders with it?
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>>Forget the TV tuner (It's goin back to MESH or in the bin)
The K-world doesn't have a terribly good reputation on the net:-
www.pcpro.co.uk/shopper/reviews/85141/kworld-dvbt-...l
I use the Freecom one mentioned in that article, mickey mouse SW supplied with it, but at least it has supported BDA drivers now so I should be able to get some of the better 3rd. party apps. ( or even Win MCE) running with it. :-/
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The K-world doesn't have a terribly good reputation on the net:- www.pcpro.co.uk/shopper/reviews/85141/kworld-dvbt-...l
Yes, I found that article, too! I should have had Hauppage WinTV so that's what I'm holding out for at the mo. Cheers!
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I have a Hauppage win dvT,
I have to say the software and drivers they supply is as equally appaling. I aqm in most terms a biot of a whiz, but to get this working on XP pro with multiple users was a nightmare.
The Hardware is good but the software is garbage, Using third party BDA stuff now
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Thanks, TVM.
>>Using third party BDA stuff now
GBPVR, perchance?
I took a gander last night but haven't got any further, yet.
As an aside, is there any decent, well designed Windows DVT card, with decent, well designed, well documented, software compatible with Win MCE remote control? If so, I will consider incurring the extra expence simply to get something that doesn't fill me with worry that I purchased something designed on a wing and a prayer with the budget taken from that week's groceries.
Cheers.
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GBPVR, perchance?
Yes.
I only ever got the basic Huappage back level application running on multiple XP pro users, and that left me without any remote control, EPG, or any other digital TV goodies.
GBPVR worked out of the box, (well off the web) took its time to find channels and 7 days epg tho
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>>As an aside, is there any decent, well designed Windows DVT card, with decent, well designed, well documented, software compatible with Win MCE remote control?
I couldn't find one:-((
When I have time I'm going to try my Freecom 'stick' with the latest version of MediaPortal, as this supports the remote control that came with my PC. I tried GBPVR a few months back, no joy, might have another bash if I can't get MediaPortal going. Just last night my 'stick' has decided it can't see BBC4, even when it's on air, so lord knows what is going on, always worked in the past.
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I have a Nebula card and it's cracking. (As in good, not poorly built!). Can use BDA drivers too if needed.
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Dah Daah Daaah................ Hang out the flags!
The KWorld DVB-T 300U tuner card is not only working, and working well, but working as part of XP Media Center :-))
Boy, what an uneccessary load of hassle though
I eventually learned from MESH support that the standard drivers shipped with the unit are not compatible with an XP MCE machine, and it is necessary to go to www.kworld.com.tw/en/index_digital.htm and download the BDA driver zipset. I had already been to this page of my own accord to download the updated XP driver set, but not knowing what BDA was if it were to leap up and bite me, had not taken this download.
So, I downloaded it, checked the existing drivers were not installed (I only knew to do this as MESH had explained it was a "replacement" set, not a "bug fix set"), checked the registry was clean, rebooted for safety, took a save point for safety, plugged in USB tuner, cancelled "new hardware" message as instructed, and installed the new drivers. The result was...nothing: MCE gave "TV tuner not found".
Tried again.
Nothing.
Moved the USB connection from #3 in the four gang set on the back panel to #2 in the two gang set on the top panel, this prompting "found new hardware" again. Repeated the installation as above but WITHOUT deinstalling anything first. This time the result was... a working TV tuner and a properly confgured MCE environment. (With shimmy of hands - "just lah that")
Thank the Lord - and my BR friends for help and advice along the way - but this begs (rhetorically, so no "?" symbols):
Why did MESH sell an otherwise fabulous piece of kit (the PC) with a device (the KWorld digital TV tuner in lieu of expected Hauppage) that knowingly had an incorrect driver set; having eventually got to speak to someone, the speed with which I was given the answer means I was not the first with the problem.
Why doesn't the KWorld documentation mention XP MCE - or better still include the drivers on the CD - as the MCE driver set is not new and likely predates my tuner's manufacturing date.
Why doesn't the KWorld download page actually say that the drivers are needed for MCE, because if they did I would have downloaded several days ago and saved your time as well as my own; I am sure I am not alone in not knowing until I had been instructed to download the drivers and Googled for the term out of curiosity as a result, that BDA means Broadcast Driver Architecture. Even knowing this, there is nothing that intuitively decodes as "needed for XP Media Center Edition".
Rhetorical grouses over; I have a working TV tuner, but one real question remains; in these days of plug and play devices that are in fact highly complex under the covers but shield this from the User, why on earth are tv tuners for PCs still a black art?! The web posts I have read by the bucket load confirm my experiences are far from unique and far from limited to KWorld.
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Pleased to learn you now have a working TV card.
The original drivers may well have been WDM (Windows Driver Model) versions - my original Twinhan analogue TV card used these, whilst the Freeview version uses BDA drivers.
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