Cheers Pezzer. Pick the car up next Tues, cant wait.
Massey, that 16995 120dSE isnt similar really. There's no options on it at all.
Still no one has directly answered my question though. How is a BMW so much cheaper after just a few months, even thru authorised dealers? Its not like theyre not popular. I see them everywhere.
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I suspect that there are a lot of 'demo' 1-series around so that BMW can effectively heavily discount them and get them sold. I don't think they are actually selling terribly strongly. I cannot believe the list price of those cars, its way OTT for what's on offer. They look all wrong (has the profile of an oversize training shoe) and don't have the quality feel to justify that price. All IMHO of course...
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Me Confused Bunny.
You were after an x-trail, and came home with a 1 series.
Thats like going the indian takeaway and coming home with a pizza.! Different food completely!
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There are lots of very cheap lease deals around on the 1-Series too - 116ES for £199+VAT pcm on a 3+35 for instance. That means that even without interest they need to be looking at retained values of £8.5k to break even compared to buying outright... realistically it's equivalent at least £2k discount on new. 12% off a less than 2-year-old BMW design is very high indeed.
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Me Confused Bunny. You were after an x-trail, and came home with a 1 series. Thats like going the indian takeaway and coming home with a pizza.! Different food completely!
A good thing too! The world doesn't need another 4x4 owner. I note in his X-Trail post he said he 'moved to the woods and needs a 4x4'. We get that in my area (rural Midlands) - people move out here and fancy themselves as 'country folk', sell the Mondeo or whatever and buy a 4x4, set of green wellies and a wax jacket. 1-series is a much more sensible buy, even if its not the prettiest thing on four wheels.
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You wouldn't mind if they'd ended by impulse-buying a lumbering Speed Six Bentley though, would you Aprilia?
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You wouldn't mind if they'd ended by impulse-buying a lumbering Speed Six Bentley though, would you Aprilia?
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Oh yes I would. We don't see many of those around here though. Pea green Disco's are popular. Or those with a bit more brass go for Range Rovers - great for driving up onto the pavement to dodge around the traffic.
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Don't see many of them anywhere... surprised you wouldn't like one as part of the local scenery though. Perhaps you'd be afraid of having to rebuild the gearbox making the parts.
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The 120d is a fine car and looks great IHO too, though £20k is a lot for a used car of that size. I would ask myself what else I could have for the money and when I got to either of the following I would probably ditch the 120d:
Focus ST 5dr + ESP + ESR + 6CD from a broker for £17k.
Golf GTi 5dr from a broker £19k.
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>>people move out here and fancy themselves as 'country folk', sell the Mondeo or whatever and buy a 4x4, set of green wellies and a wax jacket.
Yup, don't know exactly where you are Aprilia, but i live in the peak district and see alot of these types clogging up the town centres on a weekend.
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The 120d that Massey posted seems to be well specced, what extras do you have on yours then Sulphur? Then again, I only buy bangers so anything seems well specced :(
PS, I think the 1 series look great too!
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A bargain at £20k more money then sense I would say.
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The notion that BMW sells cars (1 series) at aloss is to put it politely simply rubbish. As an Investment Analyst of European companies I can confirm that BMW has some of the highest operating margins in the motor industry, it's more profitable, than say Mercedes Benz, and yet it does not have the best prodoctivity metrics in the industry. A BMW is as much as a brand as well as car, and brands once they are impressioned upon the minds of the consumer, implies higher margins.
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Still no one has directly answered my question though. How is a BMW so much cheaper after just a few months, even thru authorised dealers? Its not like theyre not popular. I see them everywhere.
If you're happy with the deal and the car then that's fine.
I would assert that is isn't 'so much cheaper' - you got a 6mth old, 5000mile ex-demonstrator for 17% under its new list price. That's not (in my opinion) 'so much cheaper'. Bear in mind that options (in your case £3000 worth) don't really add much value to the car (you'll find that out if/when you try to p/x it), so your car would have had to compete with brand new ones at £21,000. With a bit of discount, there wouldn't be much in it.
By comparison, I paid £23,500 for a 6 mth old, 6000 mile C Class, that would have listed at £33,500 when it was new. And I still think I might have slightly overpaid.
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Ooooff...so many questions.
Aprilla, being well accquainted with previous 3-series the 1 cabin is definitely has the same standard of fit and finish of its bigger brothers. The demo I bought was beautifully put together.
TVM, yes the X-Trail to 1-series change-of-mind warrants an explanation. My fiancee and I were after something fun and individual for about 20K, whatever fun that form may take. We thought slobbing around in an over-specced 4X4 might be fun or maybe an older E-class Merc coupe. The car is not required for commuting; trips to the dump; the school run; town centre speed bumps; etc. etc. - just for us. The only thing it might be used for on the horizon is a daytrip to France for some grog. It had to be a fun car.
Sprice, Masseys online 16995 1-series is an SE spec with no options. Yes, you get all that on an SE - doesnt look such bad value does it. Mine adds on black leather, xenons, metallic paint, 17" 5-spoke alloys, heated seats, interior light pack, comfort pack - in total just under 3500 list price extras.
I think its a well-priced car. The prejudice against its price seems to be around the mindset that its a hatchback and should be a value motor. Look at it this way...it has an astonishing 163bhp engine producing 250lb torque thru rear wheels yet returing 45+mpg on combined cycle. And its smooth as you like, no diesel clatter once warmed through. Find me another car in the same price range to compete with that set-up. The Focus ST is an exciting and cheaper car but its 7 years too late. In the post-Chav world its very tasteless. Also, its fwd like the Golf and an invitation to a delightful meal with Mr and Mrs Torque-Steer.
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I think its a well-priced car. The prejudice against its price seems to be around the mindset that its a hatchback and should be a value motor. Look at it this way...it has an astonishing 163bhp engine producing 250lb torque thru rear wheels yet returing 45+mpg on combined cycle. And its smooth as you like, no diesel clatter once warmed through. Find me another car in the same price range to compete with that set-up.
When I looked at it my prejudice against it was that it's a two seater car with four doors. Hence I went for the A3 Sportback which is in the same price range, not quite as powerful, but it does have DSG which more than makes up for 20 odd horsepower!
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Dont forget your cambelt change at 40K.
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1 - There is still no advice from VAG that it is 40,000.
2 - It won't be problem for me - the car won't be mine at that mileage!
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I would assert that is isn't 'so much cheaper' - you got a 6mth old, 5000mile ex-demonstrator for 17% under its new list price. That's not (in my opinion) 'so much cheaper'.
That 17% is what I was hinting at above. It's very close to the VAT payable on the car as "new".
I wouldn't regard that as a very good discount for what is, when all said and done, a used car.
Les
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