driving hours regs, i am self employed so dont understand.
i have access to a 2.0 hdi berlingo does anyone think i would be better off with this.
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It makes no differnce if you are self employed or an employed driver, the fact is you are driving for hire or reward so you have to obey the drivers hours regs. Have a look on the VOSA website for more details. (www.vosa.gov.uk)
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i used to a courier a number of years ago delivering computer parts anywhere and i mean anywhere london bristol inverness cardiff nobody ever told me is it one of this stupid european laws, wont work anyway how can enforce it.
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"2.0 hdi berlingo"
I've got one - please don't put a ton of "secure art works" in the back. What are they? bronze statues?? Lead blocks? Or are you doing "The Italian Job" you'd probably get a ton of gold in the back but whether it would be safer than by "Italian post" I doubt. By the way, hope you have export certificates/documents for all these works of art - and if you do, and if you show them at border crossings, that should account for about 60 hours of your journey.
This IS a wind up.
Phil
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the hdi berlingo is the multispace car one it is fast i have 105+ in it, the art work should only weight 40/50 kg
customs? i thought being in the eu we have no paperwork. if i decide to drop the cheap to run but older and higher milege c15 for the 2 year old berlingo could i bypass customs as i would just look tourist like
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With the Mona Lisa stacked against the side window? ;-)
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the hdi berlingo is the multispace car one it is fast i have 105+ in it, the art work should only weight 40/50 kg customs? i thought being in the eu we have no paperwork. if i decide to drop the cheap to run but older and higher milege c15 for the 2 year old berlingo could i bypass customs as i would just look tourist like cheers
Ha ha ha ha ha!! Excellent mate!
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"2.0 hdi berlingo" I've got one - please don't put a ton of "secure art works" in the back.
I once had to do a 150 mile journey in a Berlingo Van loaded with 5 pieces of equipment, each weighing approx 100lb. Something I wish not to repeat in a hurry. It handled like a blamonge in a bucket of tapioca pudding.
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Just read this thread.
He has won a contract to courier art goods from Italy to UK. Presumably he has costed this out and submitted a quote. However, it would appear that he hadn't costed in extra insurance, change of vehicle, overnight stops etc etc.
Sirion if they are paying you SO much to do this, then use some of it for overnight stays, arranging comp insurance, notifying ins company of exactly what you are doing and the value of your cargo, and a co-driver, and sat nav, and servicing.
In other words, unless you are not telling us everything, it looks very much to me that you are way out your depth with this one.
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Buy me a pizza in Italy and I'll do the driving for you.
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You want a transit sized van for this, preferably diesel with nice long legs for relaxed motorway cruising. Otherwise you will be a wreck at the end of it.
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There´s a bit of deafening silence here - that of Sirion denying that he´s winding us all up.
Lecce is right down in the heel of italy. It would take a week to get there from Bradford....any further and he´d be in Cairo.
sirion, are you wasting everyone´s time here...?
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He appears to have left the building.
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nobody ever told me is it one of this stupideuropean laws, wont work anyway how can enforce it. cheers
You are kind of missing the point, They won't enforce it, but when you are involved in an accident they will look into it and see how many hours you have been driving etc. then it becomes a serious problem. You need to have more stops along the route for some proper rest - not just 5mins and a coffee, that is a recipe for an accident - I hope you don't hurt anyone else and just write yourself off in this silly contract, no doubt you put a price in well below what a reputible haulage company would do it for legally, COWBOY springs to mind.
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Not a very well thought out idea at all. The run times are near impossible with 2 drivers let alone one. One thing you have not taken into account is the fact that as you are doing the journey for hire/reward you are subject to British driving hours regs which will limit you to 10 hours driving then you must have 12 hours off, (I thinks thats correct, would need to check!!) so if you had an accident in the UK and the police did any investigations then you would be in very serious trouble!!!
But if you're a total young idiot, remember? Otherwise he's taking the whassername. Kill! Kill!
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Why would someone who?s been a member for 80 weeks suddenly start winding us up? Although the logistics are doomed to fail, I think the principle is a sound one. Forget twice-weekly, he really needs a ten day turnaround and a proper Transit Van. I wish the expat market was larger in Poland and someone would do a weekly run for us. I hope he?s genuine, if he fancies a small detour I?m running low on Weetabix and I?d kill for a tin of Roses.
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One thing that i haven't seen mentioned is goods in transit insurance, i would not like to think how much this would cost for the type of thing he will be carrying.
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"I?m running low on Weetabix and I?d kill for a tin of Roses"
BBD,
Well now, I have a Berlingo, it's about 2400km from Midlands to Warsaw, I could average 100 kmh, I'll have a shave and breakfast before setting off, so I could be with you with a ton of mixed weetabix and Roses in 24 hours - you name the price. And if you eat them quickly I could do 2 trips a week.
Email me your address, I'm off to 24 hour Tesco to load up.
See you midnight tomorrow.
Phil
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Sirion: Steal a V6 Mondeo. Cut the artworks out of their frames and roll them up. Do the whole thing Bradford-Lecce-Bradford in say 83 hours. Apply to the Guinnesss Book of Records. Spend a month at that clinic across the river tapering off from all the speed (sorry I forgot to mention that). Do it again if you feel like it.
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"See you midnight tomorrow."
Don?t bother washing, I?ve got some wet wipes.
Cheers Phil
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(translation)
"Lecce Observer, 14th January 2006
Major arts theft! national treasures lost!, police looking for an English man with northern accent and a Welsh name who has a craving for strong coffee driving a small French van towing a small trailer with 'Ifor Williams' across the back, last seen heading north towards Rome at 50mph.
This man may be desperate! so if you see him do not approach him, just point him in the direction of a WC and call the police."
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Towards the end of WW11 huge amounts of art work which had been appropriated by senior German military criminals was being moved by secret SS units to a place of safety away from the Allies.
Goering himself was one of the prime architects of this plan which would have helped in the creation of a fourth Reich. Or perhaps secured a life of leisure for the escapees of justice.
I think we have unwittingly exposed an attempt to begin moving these treasures to England and Sirion (son of Borman) has been tasked to carry this out.
All backroomers who have given advice are now collaborators in this grand scheme and may well be bought to justice along with Sirion.
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I think we have unwittingly exposed an attempt to begin moving these treasures to England and Sirion (son of Borman) has been tasked to carry this out. All backroomers who have given advice are now collaborators in this grand scheme and may well be bought to justice along with Sirion.
Ahah! Now I understand what's going on.
Having failed to organise a backroom meet, Adam has registered with a new ID and started this cunning ruse, which will eventually lead to a large meeting of Backroomers in Strangeways.
Cunning work, Adam! ;)
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sirion's travel plans bring to my mind the selby rail crash scenario.
should someone report him to the law for the sake of other people's safety ? (just as one might report a drunk driver ? )
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We could report him to the law or we could do something productive and suggest different scenarios that would make his plan work. Bigger van, longer turnarounds maybe.
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sirion's travel plans bring to my mind the selby rail crash scenario. should someone report him to the law for the sake of other people's safety ? (just as one might report a drunk driver ? )
Apart from the difficulties in doing so, I think that's a bit premature.
Sirion tells us that he signed a contract to do a job which he (I presume he?) thought was feasible, albeit difficult. He was wise enough to seek advice, and a lot of people here have given very similar advice, sometimes in quite direct terms: that the plan is barely workable, and even if it is physically possible, it's probably illegal and definitely very dangerous.
That's a lot to take on board. If he follows the advice here (as I hope he does), he faces at least a big loss of face, and posibly some financial setback through reneging on the contract.
It doesn't sound to me as if Sirion expects to get rich quickly by this scheme. On the contrary, the fact that he's planning to do this trip in such a small and light van (for which he has only 3rd party insurance) suggests that it's not a terribly lucrative venture.
So before threatening to shop him, how about waiting to see how much of this thread he has taken onboard, and whether we can help him to work his way out of the mess he now finds himself in?
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I'm going to link to this thread:
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=32282
and say no more. This is a similar sort of mega-mileage contract and the vehicle chosen was a brand new Passat TDi estate despite rotating drivers.
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I can't think of anything wrong with transporting 1 ton of artwork, in a half ton van, thousands of miles, twice a week, on your own.
You get to Lecce, have a quick dip, drive to Bradford, kiss the wife and kids, have a Mars bar and then do it again.
I think that you are correct in using Ultimate or Shell extra fuel. You should use some thin synthetic oil for the extra service intervals, because I don't suppose you will have much time for a service, without you can get one done at a service station while doing toilet.
You ought to pump up the tyres an extra few pounds to carry the extra weight and speed.
I was pondering this question in bed last night, at my age this is the best you can get, and came to the same conclusion as some others. Are you any relation to our old mate "kevls" by any chance?
Perhaps you should have asked this travelling in Europe question on April 1st.
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I think it's been a hoot - really well done!
Well up to the old Chris Watson/ Ladas asre Slow classics, or the latterday kevls!
And it also serves a purpose - it allows us to identify or at least estimate, by their responses, those who may be, for example kindhearted but credulous -which is immensely useful as context in which to evaluate their opinions on other matters... eh, NW?!
Neil
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note that the ton of cargo dropped to 40 or 50 Kg this must be cheaper to send by secure air courier, you know the ones who accompany the goods all the way. ...cheers...keo.
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I can't find the thread but, early in 2005, there was a similar discussion, initiated by a taxi driver in Milton Keynes who had a contract to move a delicate peiece of medical equipment from MK to Glasgow and back, once or twice a week. This discussion hinged on what vehicle should he use rather than the hours/miles equation. It might be interesting to know how is getting on, a few months down the line.
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Found it! Sirion have a look at this, please.
tinyurl.com/d843n
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And it also serves a purpose - it allows us to identify or at least estimate, by their responses, those who may be, for example kindhearted but credulous -which is immensely useful as context in which to evaluate their opinions on other matters... eh, NW?!
As to credulity, if you re-read the thread you'll see that I was the first to question whether it all added up.
Yes, of course it may be a wind-up -- in which case, well done Sirion. But as Big Bad Dave pointed out, it might not be -- and in that case I don't like the idea of mocking somebody who is trying with scant resources to be a bit enterprising.
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As to credulity, if you re-read the thread you'll see that I was the first to question whether it all added up. Yes, of course it may be a wind-up -- in which case, well done Sirion. But as Big Bad Dave pointed out, it might not be -- and in that case I don't like the idea of mocking somebody who is trying with scant resources to be a bit enterprising.
Okay, didn't mean to sound as rude as that... and i did say you were being kind-hearted, 'credulous' was probably a bit strong, I know you give as good as ya get!
I do think he's leading some of us a merry dance though - if he suggested he'd decided to fuel his van on leftover Chardonnay, some people would be debating whether he'd have to pay duty on it...! Still, nice to see who's awake! ;-)
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Apart from the difficulties in doing so, I think that's a bit premature
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how about reporting the negligence of his "employer" or whoever it is that is the other party to this contract?
anyhow, nw - i write in in this thread in jest. so please don't respond.
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