high mileage cars - kevls
Hi there people. I own a 1.4 cl vw golf j reg. and it has done 106000 miles. I bought when it had 88000 on the clock.
Has anyone got a car that has done maybe 150,000 200,000 miles still with the engine? How many miles will an engine do if its serviced regularly. I get the oil changed every 6000 miles, and do diesels last longer than petrol engined cars?

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high mileage cars - Sprice
Frequent oil changes are an important factor, along with how good the engine design is to start. Most cars will easily do 150k. Yeah, diesels generally are more capable of higher mileages than petrol. Here's a link to a SAAB 900 on carsurvey.org that has over 700k:
www.carsurvey.org/review_57893.html
high mileage cars - Pugugly {P}
We ran a company hack Cavalier with 16ok up. Very quick,smooth and low oil consumption. Pulled like a good 'un on its last trip to the scrappie, car still around "salvaged" by the chap who runs they yard.
high mileage cars - kevls
Thanks for that message. I will keep my car until it falls apart. I think lexus and Mercedes Benz make the best engines. I know Volvo bought there five cylinder engine design off Audi. Is that a good engine, or problems with it being a five cylinder engine?

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high mileage cars - Tiffx19
The 5cyl Volvo engine is a Volvo design,all alloy,with a construction similar to the K series-built in layers,but without the long head bolts.rumoured to have been developed in conjuntion with Porsche. The TDi engine Volvo used was a VW/Audi lump though.
My T5 has 210,000 on the odo,and still drives superbly.
high mileage cars - Civic8
If its looked after apart from any known quirks,see no reason for it cause any problems..got my Diesel at 130k just over a year ago serviced at 1k before normal service time as its a turbo/now at 149k without any serious problems,petrols can last as long if looked after
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Steve
high mileage cars - Dynamic Dave
kevls, you have email.

DD.
high mileage cars - Cliff Pope
What low mileage expectations you all have! I bought my Volvo Torslanda with 180,000 miles on the clock. It has just passed 330,000, and still runs well. The engine has had no attention apart from regular oil and filter changes.
The car is in daily use on an 80-mile round commute.
I don't think that is exceptional - I have heard of later Volvos doing over 400,000 miles just like their predecessors. The record for a 240 currently stands at about 800,000 miles, and the World record (P1800, like the Saint) is 2.5 million.
high mileage cars - Roger Jones
I drove an MB W126 300 SE earlier this year, when looking for one myself. With no engine rebuild and not even a gasket replaced, it had done 370k and was as sweet as a nut. Significantly, its oil had been changed at 6k intervals on the dot and, of course, it had seen 50k a year regularly.

I had no qualms buying a similar car with 130k on the clock.

In the 1970s you got shot of cars when they breached 50k. These days, 100k is surely early middle age at worst. With regular servicing and oil changes most modern cars should surely be good for 200k. But there's the rub: how many of them enjoy regular servicing and oil changes throughout their life? I've heard enough reports of cars being found short of several litres of oil, etc., to reckon that there's a lot of neglect out there. And I have to say that, full MB service history notwithstanding, the lubricant that came out the back axle of my W126 looked as if it had never been changed (main-dealer servicing . . . pah).
high mileage cars - sierraman
I have some early fifties copies of Autocar where a 30,000 mile engine rebuild is taken for granted in articles about various Austins and Morrisis(Morrisi?).My own car is a mere stripling showing just over 4,000,second time round of course,second engine too.
high mileage cars - r_welfare
kevls, if your Golf is a Mk3 (which I assume it is), my girlfriend has had some relevant experience, as we recently sold her L-reg 1.4CL.

The car was bought from the original owner in 1998 with 55,000 miles on the clock, and when sold in October it had 141,000 miles on the clock. All on the original engine, gearbox, clutch and exhaust (except the back box).

Only expenditure over that period, apart from servicing by the book (and, towards the end, an oil and filter change every 5000 miles as well) and other expected consumables such as tyres, was a new exhaust back box last winter (the old one literally fell off one day), and then £500-worth of cooling system-related expenditure (thermostat housing, head gasket and waterpump), caused primarily by a crack in the thermostat housing going unnoticed until too late and the head gasket blew.

When it was sold, the car was running exactly the same as when purchased - it sounded a little diesel-like at cold idle, but then so does it's replacement, a 2001 Skoda Fabia 1.4 16V.

So, regular servicing (including frequent oil changes) would be my recommendation, plus the type of use you give the car helps - my girlfriend is a mobile hairdresser with at least a 75-mile round trip each day, so everything has time to warm up properly.
high mileage cars - kevls
thanks to you r welfare and everyone for the replies. i get my cat serviced 6000 miles at a local garage, my vw golf is mark 3 hardly burns any oil. engine very quiet and still feels solid as the day it came off the production line.
high mileage cars - Group B
and then £500-worth of cooling system-related expenditure
(thermostat housing, head gasket and waterpump), caused primarily by a crack
in the thermostat housing going unnoticed until too late and the
head gasket blew.


Yes keep an eye on the thermostat/ cooling system. I had a K-reg Golf 1.8 CL and the head gasket went and the head cracked at about 75k miles.
Instead of a new head I took the risk of having it welded and skimmed; saved a couple of hundred quid and it was fine for another 20k miles, then I sold it.
high mileage cars - J Bonington Jagworth
"a 30,000 mile engine rebuild is taken for granted"

Indeed. It's interesting to speculate what changes have wrought such improvements. I imagine that it's a combination of metallurgy and petrochemistry (both fuel and oil), but I'm guessing, and there may be some unsung advance that should be credited. Possibly improvements in machining and/or engine design, now that stresses and strains can be precisely computed, although I should think that mostly optimises material use, rather than improves longevity.

Maybe filters have improved, too - IIRC, air filters used to be wire wool dipped in oil...
high mileage cars - jacks
As others have said high mileage these days is not a problem providing it?s a well designed engine with no inherent faults ( for example on certain VW diesels the fuel injectors that wear and cause a bore lubrication issue - well documented on HJ what's good/bad) and the oil has been changed regularly, and of course the cam belt if fitted.

I have a 6cyl. BMW 323 1999 with 150K on the clock and it runs superbly, never uses any oil, etc but to keep it this way I do service more frequently then the 15-17K intervals that the onboard computer suggests, also I've changed gearbox and differential fluids despite BMW and interestingly the independent specialist I use for servicing, both telling me it is unnecessary

Prior to buying the BMW (at 3yrs old with 80K) I drove 3 company diesel Cavaliers/Vectras that were on 4 yr leases. They did betweek 125K - 160K and gave no trouble whatsoever. Routine servicing (after the first year) by a small non franchise garage and only pads/discs/tyres and the odd bulb required.

It's not the miles but how the car has been treated that is important. A good plan if you want to keep a car a long time is to buy something fairly new but with high initial miles eg 2 yr old with 50K up - cost will be low due to mileage but 50K is not high (if the car was 5 yrs old it would be considered low), then treat the car to very frequent oil changes and enjoy - with the benefit of a further years man.warranty to sort out any inherited problems and ensure any recalls attended to etc.

I would never buy new again but the key is to buy the right car and keep all fluids regularly changed including the all important coolant (with todays alloy engines) & I'm not too impressed with main dealer servicing. Either DIY or trusted independent for me.
high mileage cars - bbroomlea{P}
My Rover 75 diesel is now around 215,000 and climbing quite quickly. Its had oil and filters changed every 5K regardless of service schedule from new. Also its never rushed when cold and I let it idle for 20 seconds or so to let the turbo spin down before shutting off.

My old Rover 1997 214 (now SWMBO'd car) is on 110K and intend to keep that for at least another 5 years at 15K a year, again sticking to same principle as above.

high mileage cars - AM
1991 BMW 316i E36 152000 miles, no work on engine/gearbox/clutch/alternator, original everything apart from front discs and 4 shock absorbers. Gets oil change 6 monthly.
high mileage cars - Xileno {P}
Depends on its usage. My Laguna was on 180K when I sold it, mostly motorway miles hence little wear. Nice big unstressed V6 engine, mostly in top gear, brakes little used.

Big fuel bills though :-(
high mileage cars - barney100
High mileages are fascinating. I reckon we could all keep our cars longer and save a pile of cash! Check the Volvo owners club website and you will see plenty of entries over 300,000k and some well over that. Some chap in the states has a P60 with over a million on the clock and the records to prove them. A Mercedes owner on Tenerife has a million miler too. I saw the first car I ever bought, a Viva Hb circa 1972 still running round Blandford a couple of years ago.
high mileage cars - Sofa Spud
We have VW Golf 1.4 CL too, L reg. It has only done 67,000 miles and it had to have a new head gasket and head skim in its mid-40K's on account of a flawed original gasket. Apart from that it's been OK.

But...and this is the point of my reply...

We also have a Passat 1.9 TDI estate (B4 model)of the same age which has done 159,000 miles and part of me wants to see this car make it to 200,000.

In a way, once one gets into nurturing an old faithful high-miler, it takes the edge off any burning desire to get something more up-to date!

cheers, Sofa Spud
high mileage cars - kevls
dear safe spud and everyone i think people should keep there cars longer. i once read a person had a passat that had done over 400000 miles and the owner said it was still the original gearbox and engine. i think some cars get better with age and dont have them niggling faults with new cars you get.
high mileage cars - jigsaw
Don't forget its not just the engine you need to wory about. There is the steering rack, suspension, brake lines, wheel bearings etc etc

I've had 2 Peugeot 406's that I took over 100k. One petrol, one diesel.

Both were completely unreliable and needed something doing every week not long after passing 100k. The suspension was overhauled on both of them long before 100k, and they were both motorway drivers. The cooling system, dodgy crank pulley, various electrical bits, switches, sensors, etc etc.

To be honest I don't think the French manufacturers care about the long term reliability of their cars, the service log book for my 1996 406 only went up to 96,000. Infact when I got to 112,000 (3.5 years from new) the service manager used to call over the other staff to come and look at my odometer, saying "we've neer seen one with that many miles on it" and that was in 1999.

On the other hand I have heard many a VW/Audi driver with tales of their cars going over 150k without a problem, so German cars are obviously a good place to start if you want to do mega miles, but don't expect to get anywhere near as much from a French / budget car without replacing most of the car.

I remember an on-call service engineer I used to deal with at an old job. He was on something like £80 an hour and £250 callout, so with the ammount of work he had on, I would expect him to be on £150K+ a year. I used to see him pull up in the carpark in an old D reg Audi 100 estate. One day I asked him why he had that "shed" with all the money he must have. His reply was that he had done 210k in it and not one thing had ever gone wrong, not even replaced the clutch yet.

Then there is a member of my family who does not believe in servicing cars. He will only take it to the garage if it is broken. He did 115,000 miles in a G reg petrol Honda Prelude without servicing it or replacing anything other then tyres. It got scrapped last year, still running (although it was pretty rough)
high mileage cars - madf
Apart from metallurgy, a lot of the improvement in engine life is due to : computers.
1. Engine design by computer (CAD) plus anlaysis of the engine cycle plus computer controlled ignition and fuelling means far less stress/overfuelling when cold etc.
2. Computer controllled machine tools means build tolerances are MUCH MUCH higher than 30 years ago. Parts can be machined regularly to very high tolernaces reducing running in/metal swarf and improving build tolernaces which means engines wear out less quickly cos they are better machined - and assembled.
madf
high mileage cars - Simon (Anne\'s Other Half)
>computer controlled ignition and fuelling means
>far less stress/overfuelling when cold etc.

Are you saying that some of the 'tuning boxes' that faff with the fuelling are reducing the life of and engine?
Most of them, especially the cheap ones, seem to just over fuel to get the increase in BHP.
high mileage cars - Sunny22
My 1993 Fiesta Diesel is still chuggering along with 160k on it!
high mileage cars - madf
>Simon
I don't know.
madf
high mileage cars - nutty_nissan
Modern engines may well last a very long time, if maintained well. There was a guy who owned some apple orchards in the US, and his 1990 LS400 has clocked up something like 550,000 miles on the original engine.

However, you often find that the suspension needs a major overhaul every 100k miles, if you want the car to drive as it used to drive when it had 10k miles. That's the part people seem to forget. Since suspensions wear out gradually, it's not something most owners notice, unless they go and drive a much lower mileage car for comparison.
high mileage cars - Cliff Pope
Whatever it is that lets some cars clock up huge mileages, it isn't new technology. Rolls-Royce knew it in 1908, and Volvo knew it in the 60s and probably much earlier. The cars mentioned that used to need major overhauls at 40,000 miles were small, cheap and nasty and made in Britain. Larger quality cars lasted much longer than that. (200,000 miles is reckoned about the limit for the Triumph 2000 6-cylinder, although mine still runs well at 207,000.)
There have always been cars capable of large mileages. The difference now is that quality engineering has become relatively cheaper, so it can be applied to the mass market not just to luxury cars. But people's expectations remain locked in 1960 mode, so they expect a 100,000 mile car to be worn out. That's good news for bargain hunters.
high mileage cars - J Bonington Jagworth
"There have always been cars capable of large mileages"

Especially if you change the oil regularly, which, of course, used to be de rigeur (especially if you had a chauffeur).