Opened rear door ---fiddled around with stuff on seat --shut rear door--needed something else---pulled door handle----nothing.
Nor will door open from the inside either.
Both inside and outside handles "feel" OK but both are kaput.
Spent an hour trying to work out how door trim comes off (in a state fit to allow it to go back on again), because I'm dead sure that some stupid little rod has come off somewhere.
Please help.Bearing in mind that door will be closed while I get the trim off, (if I get it off at all !!)
Many TIA
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As I recall, there is nothing especially unusual about Xantia door trims - the handles / armrests will be secured with screws buried deep in holes underneath (you'll probably need a screwdriver with one of those 'starry' bits - don't try with an ordinary screwdriver - you'll mangle the screw heads!)
It would probably help to remove the rear seat and lie down across the car.
I think there is another screw holding the door handle surround. The trim itself just levers off - although the plastic clips tend to snap - try and get some new ones from a dealer for replacing. This might prove tricky if the door is shut - see if you can pull out the door seals to loosen things off.
The trim actually 'hooks' onto the metal of the door at the top I think - so ease it off at the bottom first then lift upwards to release at the window sill.
I'm not sure how window winders are secured - my Xantia had electric windows all round.
If things get really desperate you might have to try removing an outside window seal and shine a torch down inside. Avoid this at all costs, though - these things seldom go back as they were before.
Have you tried rolling down the window and shining a bright light down inside. You might just see what's amiss......
Good luck - this looks like a sticky one!
Graeme
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Thanks Graeme
I posted on a chat room type thing and have been told that the simplest thing is to get a spare trim from a knackers yard and set to with a saw. Thats how difficult it is supposed to be especially with the door shut .
Great
I've got little to lose then. I'll prise the trim off all round after removing the arm rest.Thanks for advice on screwdriver bit--already spotted that !!Just need a stary thingy.
Or I could go to a dealer and pay HOW MUCH !!
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I was thinking in 'non-destructive' mode! Yes, you certainly could hack it to bits - in fact you'll probably land up doing that anyway, but you'll still need a 'starry' screwdriver. I got a set from B&Q or suchlike which has turned out to be quite handy - not expensive either. Just make sure it includes teh size you really need - these things are deceptive - easy to think they are bigger or smaller than they actually are.
Do let us know how you get on.
Graeme
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Thanks Graeme
Spent most of PM getting trim "off".
I'm totally defeated at the press-down door lock corner but it is off everywhere else. All the clips are wrecked. Not a big problem.
What is a problem is that with trim off I can see absolutely----nothing.
I reckon I need to take the outside door handle off.
But how?
I can see nothing holding it to the door from the inside so am done for.
Can you help with that? Many thanks
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According to Haynes, if window fully wound up and interior trim removed you should see a "handle securing screw". However, you first have to remove the "window guide channel" by removing another screw which is visible on the inside face of the door. However, this screw, from the illustration, looks as if it will not be visible or accessible when the door is shut!
This is not much help is it, except that, also from the illustration you may be able to get a (10mm?) spanner on the first (handle securing) screw by reaching up inside. It seems to be the only screw there. This would allow you to remove handle from the outside and perhaps open the door.
I have a feeling that I have not been much help here - sorry but you may get a better answer from a specialist Citroen message board - try
www.citroenz.com/forum/
there are some far more knowledgeable people than me there - I would bet that someone will provide the solution!
Good luck
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I think you may be better off. or not as case may be. getting your MD to sort out. its highly possible they know what the problem is. Would be surprised if they dont. plus they will get the job done somewhat faster than you. I have no doubt damage may occur whilst sorting it out. I think you should have done this before. its probably a lock problem. rather than linkage.I may be wrong. but MD is best bet?
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Again, from (distant!) memory, I seem to remember that there is a (tiny)little tab you press in at the bottom of the locking button, which releases it from the rod. Needs a small screwdriver inserted I think - pull up and off at the same time. Might be dreaming here though!
Yes, do ask for advice on a specialist Citroen forum. These guys are good! There's an excellent Yahoo one (Go to yahoogroups.com and do a search for Xantia.)
I took off the front door trim and window seals of my sister's Xantia a few months ago to replace the glass after an obnoxious little vandal put a brick through it! Again, I seem to recall that the 'inboard' seal is part of the door trim and the whole thing hooks onto the metal lip of the window sill. Another seal sits on the outside lip (may be part of the whole window surround)There is a screw hidden somewhere under the (front) surround that holds the window runner into the door. Back might be similar.
Have you tried sticking your hand up inside and pulling rods etc to see if you can free off the door?
I imagine there would be a rod linkage from inside and outside handles to the actual lock. If this isn't budging the lock it would seem the lock itself is stuck.
A bright light and a small mirror might be handy too!
Good luck
Graeme
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Well I've been well and truly Citroened by this.
The inside handle operates its rod which seems connected.The outside handle goes through all the correct motions. The central locking sends the push button thing up and down as normal.
But the damn door is still stuck fast.
So went to local dealer and they want it in on Friday for a "look" --takes one hour. This should lead to parts ordering including a new door handle if they smash the present one !!!. Nice.
Thank god they charge only 30 Euros per hour.
If they smash the lock I'll tie the rear doors together and keep driving it. Explaining that in sign language could be a laugh.
Many thanks
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Thats it. This car gotta go. I will not live with a car that makes me look a prat.
Took car to dealer's.Bodywork bloke pulled outside handle--nothing. Walked round lay on back seat pulled inside handle---nothing. Stared at inside door handle --the plastic surround was off --put tiny screwdriver in the middle of the hinge and tightened a small screw---pulled handle--door open.
It all took the time it takes to read it.
Charge 5 Euros.
So if your xantia door won't open find a small white screw between the two parts of the inside door hinge and turn it.
Then send me 5 Euros.
Goodnight.And thanks.
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I'm intrigued! Did you mean the hinge of the handle as opposed to the hinge of the door?
Delighted that it didn't set you back an arm and a leg, though.
'Nothing moves you like a Citroen' (apart from Syrup of Figs, but they're neck and neck!)
Graeme
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Hi Graeme
When you remove the moulded plastic surround round the inside handle--beware the tiny screw in the bottom ! --you expose the handle's levering hinge.
If you make a fist and then stick out your first and little fingers it is a bit that shape,
In that gap is a small star head plain metal screw. Thats the one he tightened.
Beware the two finger sign, as above, in Europe though; I believe it is very offensive !!
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Ah, that screw. When I first read of your problem, I assumed that that was the first thing you checked, so, like Haynes, I didn't bother to mention it. (TiC!!)
Isn't it annoying when you struggle for hours to solve a problem, get nowhere and some clever dick solves it in seconds!! and doesn't even need to curse, cry, take all the skin off his knuckles etc.
Glad you solved it - probably the only problem you will ever have with your Xantia...........!
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>>Thats it. This car gotta go. I will not live with a car that makes me look a prat.
Wouldnt worry. Happens to many.Point is if you dont know what to look for. you can spend a long time trying to. And get nowhere. why I suggested MD for help
Glad you got sorted
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