Just £90 and five points for a life

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Sat 28 May 2016 10:40
Just £90 and five points for a life - brum

"The coroner heard that Ms Asker claimed she hadn’t seen Seth and only became aware of him on impact."

“I do not think my driving was impaired by being on the phone.”

“No prison sentence would change that or make her feel any worse."

What do these statements tell you?

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Sat 28 May 2016 11:11
Just £90 and five points for a life - Wackyracer

If the mother of the victim feels the punishment is right then I think it is how it should be.

I rarely take much notice of the tabloids views on these things as they tend to paint a picture to show how they view the situation. I notice that there is no reference to the colour of the victims clothing or if the victim dashed out onto the road, all these things could be contributing factors.

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Sat 28 May 2016 19:22
Just £90 and five points for a life - John F

It is neither a transaction nor a valuation.

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Sat 28 May 2016 21:17
Just £90 and five points for a life - Cyd

On the face of it, it does seem unjustifiably lenient. However we do not know all the facts, which the court, presumably, does.

This was doing the rounds at work on Friday:
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/horrific-dashcam-film-shows-jaguar-11394137
4 1/2 years. Now that's a sentence!!!

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Sat 28 May 2016 22:13
Just £90 and five points for a life - Bromptonaut

This was doing the rounds at work on Friday:

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/horrific-dashcam-film-shows-jaguar-11394137
4 1/2 years. Now that's a sentence!!!

Even from my liberal viewpoint that actually looks an inadequate response to the Land Rover driver's conduct.

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Sat 28 May 2016 23:38
Just £90 and five points for a life - Soichiro
I would have given him life. 4 1/2 years is joke.
He'll be out in two. I hope the family appeal this
ridiculous sentence.
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Sun 29 May 2016 10:25
Just £90 and five points for a life - John F

On the face of it, it does seem unjustifiably lenient. However we do not know all the facts, which the court, presumably, does.

Quite so, I am actually familiar with this junction, it is a very dangerous one, especially when BPDs use it.

He was reputedly chasing the grey Mazda driver who successfully turned right, but there was a white car in front of him waiting to turn right - it presumably inserted itself between them at a roundabout in Isham which must have made him even madder.

I would like to know if the children were belted in properly - I see so many that aren't.

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Sun 29 May 2016 10:49
Just £90 and five points for a life - Cyd

"reputedly chasing the grey Mazda"

no reputedly about it. these are the facts as determined by a court

"I would like to know if the children were belted in properly"

I cannot claim any expertise (there's a considerable team works on this sort of thing, it's highly specialised) but I have been involved with "crashworthiness" projects over the years. It rather sounds to me like they weren't.
It is almost certainly lucky for the family they were driving a modern car though. It's modern safety systems undoubtedly saved them from worse.

You can imagine, there is a lot of consternation around the office about the damage this does to the company's image, especially given how the Cov Telegraph have chosen to emphasise that he was a manager at JLR, wrongly in my view, as he bears full responsibility for his actions.
It's a bit like blaming a gun manufacturer for a murder.

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Sun 29 May 2016 11:27
Just £90 and five points for a life - RT

"reputedly chasing the grey Mazda"

no reputedly about it. these are the facts as determined by a court

"I would like to know if the children were belted in properly"

I cannot claim any expertise (there's a considerable team works on this sort of thing, it's highly specialised) but I have been involved with "crashworthiness" projects over the years. It rather sounds to me like they weren't.
It is almost certainly lucky for the family they were driving a modern car though. It's modern safety systems undoubtedly saved them from worse.

You can imagine, there is a lot of consternation around the office about the damage this does to the company's image, especially given how the Cov Telegraph have chosen to emphasise that he was a manager at JLR, wrongly in my view, as he bears full responsibility for his actions.
It's a bit like blaming a gun manufacturer for a murder.

Of course JLR's insurers will be in for a huge claim in compensation and he's unlikely ever to work in a similar position ever again.

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Sun 29 May 2016 13:14
Just £90 and five points for a life - brum

I think a lot of you seem to be missing an important point. Harsh prison sentences and criminal records, widely and publicised would send a strong message out to the minority that using handheld mobile phones while driving or indulging in road rage is dangerous and will cost you dearly if it is a contributory factor to a serious accident.

No, what we seem to get is, oh dear, these poor people will have to live with that on their conscience for the rest of their lives....b******s, I know of past incidents and the individuals involved forget about it all within weeks....they are not victims. Note in both cases the attempt to lie and cover up their actions these individuals try on with the courts. They dont sound very concerned at the consequence of their stupdity.

Hopefully these individuals will never be able to get insured again.

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Sun 29 May 2016 20:46
Just £90 and five points for a life - Pondlife

I think a high probability of prosecution is more of a deterrant than hasher sentences for a few at the extreme end of the spectrum.

Only prosecuting the serious stuff like this sends a message that there won't be any penalty unless there's an accident. And I think many of the people who cause these sorts of problems believe they're good drivers and won't have an accident.

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Sun 29 May 2016 23:26
Just £90 and five points for a life - Wackyracer

I think a lot of you seem to be missing an important point. Harsh prison sentences and criminal records, widely and publicised would send a strong message out to the minority that using handheld mobile phones while driving or indulging in road rage is dangerous and will cost you dearly if it is a contributory factor to a serious accident.

I think there should be no 'IF' for road rage.

No, what we seem to get is, oh dear, these poor people will have to live with that on their conscience for the rest of their lives....b******s

Really Brum? A relative of mine was killed by a skip lorry while crossing the road. His wife insisted that the lorry driver should not be punished as she could not be 100% sure that her husband was not to blame in anyway.

, I know of past incidents and the individuals involved forget about it all within weeks....they are not victims. Note in both cases the attempt to lie and cover up their actions these individuals try on with the courts. They dont sound very concerned at the consequence of their stupdity.

Why does a certain high profile sports person spring to mind? Actually quite a few of them.

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Sun 29 May 2016 13:30
Just £90 and five points for a life - John F

Of course JLR's insurers will be in for a huge claim in compensation and he's unlikely ever to work in a similar position ever again.

Here's a fuller account - looks as though there was a bit of 'contributory' from the Mazda driver.

www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/graphic-content-pa...7

Showing people how to drive up and down muddy hills sounds more like a holiday job for students than a career option for a grown man.


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Sun 29 May 2016 23:14
Just £90 and five points for a life - Wackyracer

Just an observation but, did anyone else notice that the driver of the victims vehicle actually increased in speed from passing the sign indicating a junction on the bend until the point of collision? at the sign he was doing 54mph and at the time of impact 57mph.

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Mon 30 May 2016 10:37
Just £90 and five points for a life - focussed

The punishment never seems to fit the crime.

www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-news/negl...6

This POS will be out on the streets in 4 years.

He chatted on his phone while the motorcyclist lay in the road dying.

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Mon 30 May 2016 11:12
Just £90 and five points for a life - Vitesse6

Here is another one

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-29723404

Suspended sentence despite having no insurance and previous convictions.

Maybe it's time for the politicians to review the law on this?

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Mon 30 May 2016 13:18
Just £90 and five points for a life - John F

Yes - and up quite a steep hill after a dip as well (Map ref SP 884721), so must have had foot hard on accelerator.

Not to excuse the BPD, but, like so many RTCs, lots of contributory factors, not least this disgracefully dangerous busy single carriageway A road junction.

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