Volkswagen Passat CC - DPF filter - Vandarius

Hi all,

I have bought a passatt cc 08 plate (2.0 TDI DSG) in august this year. Everything was fine the car up until the moment where the gas temerature sensor blow. I have ad it changed and everyhing is fine gain except my conumption. In the city, the car eats around 10-12 L while on the motorway 7-8L. For a passatt cc it is a big ifference and it bithers me bacuse why should I pay more when I know its not right?

So I took the car to a garage, where the guy diagnised the "dpf illness". He said it is clogged and the it can cause damage further down the line it is not taken care of. He said the car looks fine but it is in an emergency state.

At the end he said that he will remove the filter, reset the comupter and make it eco friendly. However I have read many articles and forums about it and isn't it illegal to have it done, and the car won't pass the MOT test? When I have asked him about this he said its all propaganda.

When I have asked him about the warranty he said let me quote " Lifetime".
It all sound nice but I'm just afraid that it is just another scam .

Have any of you got any suggestions please? If yes I wouldn highly appricite it.

Many thanks in advance

V.

Volkswagen Passat CC - DPF filter - RobJP

At present, they can't 'test' in the MOT for the DPF working correctly, so they can't check if it has been removed.

If that changes (and it probably will, at some point, something similar to the smoke test), then your car will fail the test, and it will cost you £1000+ to get a new DPF fitted. In addition, if you sell the car, knowing that it has had the DPF removed, and you fail to tell the purchaser, then you will have committed the criminal offence of fraud.

Volkswagen Passat CC - DPF filter - Vandarius

Thank you for your answer.

See this is the reason why I have asked the question, we definitely don't want to cause any trouble for ourselves.

The DPF sign never came up on the dash, but we got suspicious of the high consumption,(in the city 23-26mpg and it should be 40mpg for a Passat CC) that is why we took the car to the garage. And there the guy immediately said he would need to remove the filter plus the EGR valve.

He also said, that the car is in good condition but in an emergency state because of the filter. After this is when he suggested the removal of the DPF. He didn’t mention the removal of the EGR valve, we have read that online on his website.

Do you really think it is DPF problem or could something else cause this?

We don’t really want to spend money on something that is irrelevant to our problem.

Many thanks


V.

Volkswagen Passat CC - DPF filter - gordonbennet

Almost impossible to diagnose this online correctly.

If it was mine i'd ask around for a good VW specialist, and a dedicated Diesel workshops, both by recommendation, nip the car into the one that gets the best praise, or both if still unsure.

Volkswagen Passat CC - DPF filter - Vandarius

I know it's not easy. But have you got any suggestions on what might have caused this?

I'll take your advice, going to see VW specialist.

Thank you.

Volkswagen Passat CC - DPF filter - skidpan

At present, they can't 'test' in the MOT for the DPF working correctly, so they can't check if it has been removed

Well that is half correct.

They cannot test if the DPF is working correctly

BUT

they can visually check to see if a DPF is present. If its ovioulsy missing or has clearly been tanmpered with to remove the internals or sensors are obviously not installed correctly you will fail and to get a pass you will have to get a new DPF installed and the car software updated. As of February this year (2014) this has been part of the MOT.

Will not be cheap to get sorted either way but why do it twice.

Volkswagen Passat CC - DPF filter - YG2007

As an MOT test station we have been advised by VOSA by way of a special notice sent to all stations that garages who remove, modify (punch hole through DPF etc) and are test stations and are found to have done so are liable to lose their test station status. DPF's on many cars are a sub optimal design to get the cars Euro complaint when new so their road tax is reduced. The problem is in the name "Filter" Even though they regenerate many times they will have a working life which is affected by the miles covered, type of miles covered (short stop start or long journeys) age and correct grade of oil being used. 6-7 year old diesels with DPF's are starting to see failures which are a significant cost to bear especially when the car has been purchased in the false belief that it will return economical motoring.

60-100K VAG diesels all have predicted costs of cambelt kit, water pump service, DPF limited life and dual mass flywheel, clutch life (depending on how its been driven) All three jobs together can push costs through £ 2500 depending on model. (Other manufacturers have their own challenges)

Volkswagen Passat CC - DPF filter - Vandarius

Thanks everyone for the answers.

I have found a VW specialist and I'm taking the car there today. Hopefully the matter will get sorted without paying a fortune .

I'll write an update after I have come back.

Volkswagen Passat CC - DPF filter - Railroad.

I just think we all now need to be mindful of the fact that car manufacturers do not build cars with the intention of them lasting as long as they used to. Having worked for both major UK motoring organisations, and attended more training courses than I can ever hope to remember, I know that the intended design life of a modern car can be as little as three years. With the need to comply with the latest tier four emission requirements, and which are set to get even more strict means that more and more cars are going to become very costly to repair as they get older, and many smaller garages who do not have access to manufacturer technical information, equipment and training will become less likely to be able to repair them at all. Personally I don't even want to own a modern car. I'd prefer to lease hire it with fixed monthly costs. That way the car gets changed every two or three years for a new one, and the only extra I have to pay for is fuel.

Volkswagen Passat CC - DPF filter - skidpan

I know that the intended design life of a modern car can be as little as three years.

Just checked the date after reading that comment and its not April 1st.

We keep our cars 5 years on average. My last car was a BMW 118D, the one that breaks its cam chain and has a million other problems. In 5 1/2 years the only part I bought was a front spring. It was correctly serviced by BMW from new.

Wifes previous car was a Focus 1.6 TDCi, the one that has huge turbo and a million other issues. After 5 years it was running prefectly and the chap who bought it still has it 4 years on. Still running perfectly. Was serviced correctly form new.

We have a 7 year old Micra, the one that has a million issues according to most web sites. Been serviced correctly form new and the only new parts fitted so far have been one wiper blade and a front spring.

Spot the comment that is consistent here, all the cars have been serviced correctly from new. Most cars with major issues that feature on here and other sites have either missed services or been serviced using cheap parts and incorrect lubricants to save a few pounds.

When I was in my teens the cars I bought were about 10 years old, mechanically almost knackered and bodily rusted out. Now look round, 10 year old cars are all in good condition and still run perfectly. A colleague of mine recently sold a 10 year old Rover with nothing wrong with it mechanically or bodily

There are some features of modern cars I would happilly live without, electric handbrakes are just one, but I am far happier in my modern climate controlled, ABS braked, fuel injected, air bagged, disc braked, etc etc car than I would be driving a 3 year old rusted out unreliable Escort in the 70's.

Volkswagen Passat CC - DPF filter - jc2

I owned an Escort in the 70's;please tell me what was unreliable.

Volkswagen Passat CC - DPF filter - Railroad.
Right now I'm on my lunch break on an advanced Diesel engine course, which is mainly covering the latest tier four compliant common rail Diesel engines. I stand by my earlier comments that the manufacturers do not intend cars to last more than a few years. Expect the emission standards to get a lot tighter in the years to come. Successful repairs will cost more than an older car is worth.
Volkswagen Passat CC - DPF filter - skidpan

I owned an Escort in the 70's;please tell me what was unreliable.

OK, thats easy.

From new the tappets sounded like a bag of nails. Constant visits for adjustmnent eventually led to them fitting new valves with oversize stems which made no difference. Eventually fitted new head which cured it.

Persistant misfire from new which was eventually cured (temporarily) by fitting new coil, plugs, leads, points etc but was finally cured by myself fitting a very early Lumenition box.

Rubbish auto choke. Garage never made any improvement. Sorted when I fitted manual choke kit from Weber agent.

Wiper motor burned out nearly setting fire to car.

Clutch failed after 20,000 easy miles. Never had a clutch fail since on any car so not my driving.

Exhaust back boxes lasted 6 months, luckily they were garanteed 6 months. Finally gave up and fitted aftermarket back box which outlasted my ownership of the car (4 years).

There was no paint (other than thin black primer) under the doors. They were red rust with a few months. Dealer not interested.

Radiator header tank split.

I was mad enough to replace it with another Escort (Mk3) which was slightly more reliable but horrid to drive and ride in. Only kept it 22 months.

This list is longer than the total for all the subsequent cars I have owned in the 34 years since selling the Escort. But probably shorter than work colleagues with Marinas and Allegros.

Volkswagen Passat CC - DPF filter - Railroad.

Back to the OP. Diesel engines produce particulate matter which includes carbon (soot) and metal, as well as gasses. Not all of the PM can be broken down by the regeneration process, and so over time the DPF will become so blocked that a replacement is the only option. The more short journeys you do the quicker the DPF will become blocked. They can be professionally cleaned but this is a specialist job, and even then it will eventually need replacing. The regeneration process works by the ECM adding a post injection stage to inject fuel just before BDC, so that the fuel ignites and burns inside the exhaust. This increased temperature burns off some of the PM so it can then pass through the filter. This procedure will only be activated under certain driving conditions controlled by the ECM. The driver cannot make a regeneration happen, other than to be driving in a manner in which the ECM will commence the process.

If your motorway MPG is poor the problem could be that the ECM is continuously trying to regenerate the DPF. This could be because the DPF has become so blocked with PM that cannot be removed, and in this case a new one will be required, or the pressure differential sensor which measures the pressure difference either side of the DPF could be faulty. Check the pipes from the DPF to the pressure differential sensor to make sure they aren't split or blocked, which would lead the ECM to think that the DPF is blocked and needs a regeneration.