Whether UKIP do well or not won't make a scrap of difference to this, the DPF is here to stay, and the VED situation is bound to change on Diesels in due course now they've found out that umpteen thousand people are dying of respiratory exacerbated illnesses, due to Diesels apparently.

You have to decide what you want and don't want in a car and buy accordingly, don't want the latest electronics and things like DPF's don't buy them, you can buy simple but maybe have to go older, and maintain/rustproof to make them last (our choice) or buy outside the box, Hilux sort of thing, or go petrol/hybrid, but they'll have achilees heels too, some due to electronics and emission controls..

Another reason to vote UKIP?

If you seriously think voting UKIP will allow the UK car industry to jettison DPFs, you are either naive or stupid. The car industry is worldwide committed to reducing air pollution and has been since California started the trend in the early 1970s..

UKIP can say or so what they like: world trends to cleaner vehicles will continue...

Totally Agree.

Perhaps the OP's original post should be edited due to its less than subtle political content..

Any thoughts moderators?

On Peugeots its quite common to open up a DPF and gut out the internals, and put it back together. This is done because there's no pass through pipes generally available to put in place of the DPF. Most DPFs are a two part system, but there is one which needs to be cut and welded back together.

It all depends on how detailed the MOT inspection is if they'll pick up the unit is hollow, or the welded ones look obvious. Maybe they'll introduce x-ray scanners to see inside the DPF!

Personally I'd rather leave things as they are, replacing the part when its reached the end of its life. I can't see the point of remapping and deleting the DPF from the ECU, its caused some people lots of hassle with unexpected limp modes and EMLs.

Hey Thunderbird and the others thanks for the excellent posts on a certain thread now closed.

The EU is run by lobbyists for big business. It does not own the means of production, but controls them by regulation and bureaucracy. This means that it is becoming more and more difficult, to the point of impossibility, for smaller businesses to start up or survive.

There was a report recently that told of independent ironworkers being forced to get a CE mark on their products, to have visits from inspectors, display various certificates, go on training courses, etc etc. Obviously they can't. BUT they MIGHT get an "excemption", for which they are meant to be grateful.

ANYWAY - ON THE SUBJECT OF CARS - within a few years regulation and bureaucracy (see above) coupled with technology will see MANDATORY self-drive safety systems and real-time GPS tracking of all vehicles. For our own good, as always.

Now before you start shouting "Daily Fail" or "Fruitcake", or other insults, consider where exactly I might be *factually* wrong.

I have a feeling that DPFs are not fitted to cars in some countries. An Aussie was telling me they are not fitted down that way. TBH, no idea if he was correct.

If no one wants a DPF why buy a motor with one,especially as its being said all the time petrols are now as economical as diesels.

I dont see that DPF will ever go away anytime soon, they are supposed to help clean up the air (or prevent the air getting any worse) but if they help to cut down peoples breathing problems then they are worth whatever cost,I dont see where the politics comes into it health wise

Are these limits reachable by manufacturers ?,I would have thought they would be close to impossible or at least very expensive to implement

All new lorries and buses use as blue and u no longer see black smoke belching from them. Adele is different to do as far as I know but I don't know why they don't use it on cars and only on larger commercial vehicles.

< Where do you see new buses belching out black fumes? If you can name the operator and make/model or reg then report them. >

The new Arriva buses running in NW Cheshire run on gas. There's a big tank on the roof, and the vehicle is noticeably quieter than a diesel. Not sure of the makers, but it looks like a standard bus.

Where do you see new buses belching out black fumes? If you can name the operator and make/model or reg then report them.

There's plenty of buses belching out black smoke in York, including several with a council advert on the back to encourage you to "go green" and take the bus! Admittedly most of these buses are over ten years old, probably London's cast offs.