Vauxhall Omega 2.5TD - Fuel Injectors - skyhawk

Hi

Can anyone help, I'm trying to buy some new fuel injectors for my Omega the 2.5TD which as a BMW 6 cylinder engine in it as standard.

The main agents prices are an arm and a leg and Iv'e been told they will have to get them from Germany, so I'm looking for companies in Germany who may stock them, and hopefully I may be able to get them cheaper.

Not being very computer savvy my searches are bringing up mainly UK companies who don't stock them, plus I guess I'll need to be able to write a few phrases in German to get across to them what I need unless of course they understand English which would be just great.

If anyone out there as any ideas which may help me I sure would appreciate hearing form you.

Thanks again

Clive

Vauxhall Omega 2.5TD - Fuel Injectors - Railroad.
Neither Vauxhall or BMW manufacture fuel injectors so there is no such thing in this case as genuine dealer parts. Injectors are made by companies such as Bosch, Seimens, Lucas and Delphi, and are not exclusive to your engine. Find a good diesel specialist, and there are plenty around. They will be able to supply new ones as well as test and remanufacture your old ones.
Vauxhall Omega 2.5TD - Fuel Injectors - gordonbennet

As RR says.

Don't think i've ever bought an injector for a Diesel, if there's beena problem at all they usually only needed cleaning/overhaul and the Diesel specialists in the next town always did them for me.

Vauxhall Omega 2.5TD - Fuel Injectors - Peter.N.

Are you sure they injectors are faulty? I would agree with the above, injectors very rarely fail especially on IDI engines such as yours. What exactly are the symptoms?

Vauxhall Omega 2.5TD - Fuel Injectors - skyhawk

Hi Guys

Thanks for your replies, I agree with what you are saying about Vauxhall or BMW not making the injectors, most component parts for cars and indeed anything else for that matter are made by various different companies, I also think that most of the manufactures will not deal directly with Joe public, no what I was looking for was a retailer in Germany where hopefully I could purchase the injectors cheaper than in the UK.

Let me bring you up to speed guys, I had a problem with injectors leaking, where the one half of the injector body screws into the other, I understand this is a metal to metal joint, no seals or sealnt, so I sent them to a company called P. F. Jones in Manchester to have them repaired and clean, I fitted them back into the car myself with new leak off rubber tubing and new copper seals between injectors and cylinder head.

This work was done back in August 2012 and the car as only done 5600 miles since then, not a huge mileage but because of the time factor I guess there isn’t much point in sending them back.

What got me onto thinking about buying from Germany, at the beginning of this month April I needed a set of new tyres, I shopped around on the net and came across a UK website advertising tyres but in fact it was a German company who supplied them, that is to say they were shipped from Germany directly to my home address.

For the benefit of anyone else who might read this I saved £92 on a set of 4 tyres which included balance, fitting and valves, the tyres are Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons.

Coming back to the injectors the price for them from the main agents is £85.80 inc vat each and a whopping £290.00 for the one with sensor wires attached to it, so I’m looking at £719 in total, obviously I don’t want to spend that type of cash if I can help it.

I guess I’m torn as to which would be the best way to go:

A: Try and buy new from Germany if I can find a seller?

B: Send the ones I’ve just pulled out of the car to a different repairer and hope I have better luck with them?

C: Buy some second hand ones off e-bay and also off e-bay some new injector nozzles?

One last thing the car as done 88000 miles.

So guys what are your thoughts on A, B, or C unless of course you think there maybe any other alternatives.

Thanks again

Clive

Vauxhall Omega 2.5TD - Fuel Injectors - gordonbennet

Clive whats wrong with the running of the vehicle to make you think its injectors causing the problem (what is the problem), or are the injector bodies leaking again?

Good tip about the tyre suppliers, some of us here use online suppliers.

I use Camskill (Britain), Mytyres and TyreLeader (Germany), and Oponeo (Poland i think), have bought several times form the first two, and once each from the latter two, all without the slightest problem, and usually 2/3 days from order to delivery.

Vauxhall Omega 2.5TD - Fuel Injectors - skyhawk

Hi Gordon

The tyres were from Tyreleader as you mentioned, cost me £448.36 for a set of 4 so I was pleased with that, I’ll certainly make a note of the other sites you mentioned for when I need some more, thanks for that.

Yes the injectors are leaking again, as best I can see, they appear wet where the injectors screw into each other and in the well where they screw into the cylinder head, could be just dribbling into the well though.

Needless to say the smell is coming into the car, worst when in slow moving traffic as there is less air circulation. As far as running is concerned no problems at all, speed picks up ok, doesn’t falter.

I’m still uncertain which way to go with them, it’s a hell of a lot of cash to buy new, I assume when injectors are cleaned and spray pattern checked, it would show up if the bodies were leaking during testing, I’m only guessing mind. I’ve got the injectors out and tried to unscrew one of the bodies, I had to use a hammer on the spanner to shift it, so let’s put it this way it certainly wasn’t loose.

Would it leak at the metal to metal joint and work its way up thread I’m no expert so don’t really know?

I’ve got to admit on getting the injectors out I managed to bend a couple of the small metal tubes which the leak off pipes connect onto.

I tried straightening them and haven’t a couple of them snapped off so I’ll need to get something done about that, I could buy some secondhand or try the remanufactures, what's your thoughts?

Cheers

Clive

Vauxhall Omega 2.5TD - Fuel Injectors - gordonbennet

Hello Clive.

I can't recommend anywhere cos its 20 years since i had proper injectors like yours overhauled, maybe one of our flock here knows somewhere they would go, if not Taxi operators are a mine of info where to go for good Diesel workshops.

The leaks couldn't have been from the leak off pipes dribbling down the injector could they, i've never seen an injector leaking mid body like this, wouldn't be from the seat or you'd be getting blow by.

I wouldn't buy new if i could help it, i would get the existing injectors if they are leaking there sealed properly especially as the engine is running well, again via a good Diesel shop, that shop should be able to supply new leak off pipes too.

If you've opened an injector that might need resetting properly.

Best of luck, i have a soft spot for Omegas and the previous Carltons and Senators, well most proper cars from the 90's TBH especailly with the correct wheels driven, at least you can fix the blighters, and they're nice to drive.

PS, when its running well again, don't forget the Millers..:-)

Edited by gordonbennet on 22/04/2014 at 14:34

Vauxhall Omega 2.5TD - Fuel Injectors - Peter.N.

Its very unusual for injectors to leak there, I haven't had one since I ran Perkins engines in the '50s. As gordenbennet says the most likely plce for a leak is from the leak off pipes, diesel creeps everywhere so its not always easy to tell.

If it is the injectors leaking the best place to take it would be to a diesel specialist, tthey usually know what they are doing and so are cheaper than a garage.

Give the injectors a through clean and dry and then watch, the fuel could be creeping up the injectors.

You will probably find some cheap injectors on ebay.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RANGE-ROVER-P38-2-5-BMW-5-Injectors-Recently-Serviced-/301160128656?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item461e8ae090

Edited by Peter.N. on 22/04/2014 at 15:13

Vauxhall Omega 2.5TD - Fuel Injectors - skyhawk

I think I’m going to give another injector repairer a try, you may be right perhaps I have missed seeing it leaking from the leak off pipes.

Just curious now, you mentioned the injector may need re-setting, I know there is a spring inside the ones on the Omega, do you know what they have to do in order to reset them, not that I will be doing it as I will send all of them to be cleaned and do whatever needs doing to them, unlike the Isuzu Troopers if one of those injectors go it’s a main agent job nobody can even repair those babies.

You say you like most popular cars from the 90’s, how far back would you like to go, I can remember when Duckhams 20/50 oil the green stuff was all the rage.

In fact I’ve still got my dwell meter and stroboscope sat on the self gathering dust, giving my age away now lol.

Vauxhall Omega 2.5TD - Fuel Injectors - skyhawk

Hi Peter

Thanks for your comments and the e-bay link, I think I’ll phone around a few of the repairers first and see what they can do for me, because as I’ve already told Gordon I’ve managed to break the metal tubes off two of them.

Maybe I might have to buy a couple of second hand ones and the repairers can decide which will be the best nozzles to put in them, the ones in the second hand or the ones out my broken injectors which has done 88000 thou.

Vauxhall Omega 2.5TD - Fuel Injectors - gordonbennet

Hi Clive.

Going back to the 60's and 70's lots of interesting cars, easy to work on in many cases but the tin worm problems saw most of them off.

80's designs however saw big improvements, but i think the best cars for people maybe like us were 90's build, often still 80's designs, safety and rust prevension came on in leaps and bounds, together with performance and handling that could only have been dreamed about 20 years earlier, yes electronic control units but hadn't gone to the silly extent things have now.

Money where mouth is, we have two cars, one a '96 MB W124 coupe, last of the build, first launched in 1985.

Now we have a '02 Subaru Outback as well, thats a 90's design too launched around 98.

Both running LPG, both 6 cyl full autos, MB has been with us for 12 years, rustproofed as well as can be and vastly overmaintained so it lasts, Outback a recent purchase for almost scrap value, but in very good condition, now undergoing my full rustproofing program as well as renewing all oils and the braking system which has been fully dealer maintained.

We have no intention of buying another Diesel, unless old school like yours, or so cheap if newer to be disposable when it gives grief which it will, we have no intention of buying anything designed in the noughties or newer, too much to go wrong and the new stuff is boring as hell, no soul in cloned new cars.

Vauxhall Omega 2.5TD - Fuel Injectors - jc2

When injectors are serviced,it is normal to run a pressure check on them to ensure they don't leak!