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I do wonder sometimes. I have exactly the same on my accord:
abs, warning triangle and vsa lights all on.
The honda dealer took it in and said the diagnostics indicated it's a suspect earth lead, gone hr, and if not then the module.
So it's going back in for a lead, at £107 including labour.
What they have ordered is part 32600SEF000 which is the main earth cable directly off the battery and not what I would have thought i.e a lead local to the VSA module.
30 minutes under the bonnet with my my multimeter shows that earth cable to be perfect, and a) how can the main earth cable off the battery, that goes only to 2 places, the car body and the engine, have anything specific to do with the vsa module? And b) how can an inert peace of metal as beefy as a battery earth cable, terminal connections excepted, go faulty anyway?
I think they have not thought it through and read "earth lead" to mean the primary earth cable i.e off the battery, when they should be looking at a specific low current earth feed into the module itself. The big earth cable goes nowhere near it and if it was faulty, nothing else would work either..
Any comments gratefully accepted.
Thanks,
Dave
Edited by davembk on 19/05/2011 at 22:25
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This concerns me. I've got a X Reg 1.8 Auto SE. Had it from 18 miles and with one issue with a leaking Air Con pipe £60, its been the most reliable car (I've ever run) for its 127k. As everyone says the more complex they get, the more the need to go to a Honda dealer. I have a trained Honda mechanic who charges £120 for a major service. I plan to run this into the ground, I've got a back problem, so have Recarro Typr Rs in it so I'm in heaven. Just about to lay out on spare rims for winter tryres. So I swear by it, as I used to do 40k a year. I got my daughter a new Panda in 04 and I‘ve had to throw money at it, reminds me of my Alfas in the 70s!
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Mines on yesterday car done 95,000 full history and been on fleet maintenace till Jan, but been to dealer since.
Honda wanted 1,800 but their customer services agreed to provide parts so my bill will be 250 or there abouts. Which on a 5 year old car is very fair of them. I have never had an issue with Honda nad had lots of them.
We have a 3 years old Vivaro with a well know issue and Vauxhall coulodn't care less as teh vans done 85k which they told me was high mileage, so shows Honda are better than most out there and they gave response within 2 hours authorising parts to dealer staraight away.
We ALSO had same issue on a 9 year old merc and mercedes replaced under similar terms last year same part I believe that was faulty but different fault.
If the car has been serviced at dealer Honda are usually good and will help in fact last one I bought I was advised by the sales guy NOT to take the extended warranty as Honda after care is so good.
Hope this helps.
Chris
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Mines on yesterday car done 95,000 full history and been on fleet maintenace till Jan, but been to dealer since.
Honda wanted 1,800 but their customer services agreed to provide parts so my bill will be 250 or there abouts. Which on a 5 year old car is very fair of them. I have never had an issue with Honda nad had lots of them.
We have a 3 years old Vivaro with a well know issue and Vauxhall coulodn't care less as teh vans done 85k which they told me was high mileage, so shows Honda are better than most out there and they gave response within 2 hours authorising parts to dealer staraight away.
We ALSO had same issue on a 9 year old merc and mercedes replaced under similar terms last year same part I believe that was faulty but different fault.
If the car has been serviced at dealer Honda are usually good and will help in fact last one I bought I was advised by the sales guy NOT to take the extended warranty as Honda after care is so good.
Hope this helps.
Chris
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Hi Guys,
I has the same issue on my Honda accord 54 plate.
Asked the dealer (Swansway Honda Manchester) they quoted my £1800.I nearly had a heart attack!!!!
Also rang honda UK.It took them 2 days to come back with answer and the answer was Big NO reasons it's does to many miles (90K) and Haven't serviced the car with the dealer since last 3 years!!
I also looked on internet for the ABS Modulator + Pump the original part cost were astronomical.
I managed the find a Breaker in birmingham ( TRT Engines - http://trtengines.com/) who supplied me with the 54 plate ABS Modulator + Pump cost (£250) and I found a great guy called Alex (AGP Automotive - http://www.agpautomotive.co.uk/ who replaced this part for me under 3 hours cost (£100). So the total Cost was £350 compare to dealer £1800.
What a con dealers are and how can you justify the dealer's price!!!! Also I rang couple of dealers who took my number and never called back and neither did Swansway Honda Manchester who quoted me the price. Do they not what £1800!!!!
After looking around on internet lots of people having the same problem on the Accords and other Honda models and no one is replying with solutions, so thought my post would help some one.
Never give up and Don't pay dealer price!!!
Regards
Salim
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Well chaps and chapessess I'm the latest victim of the VSA farce.
04 accord 2.2 idti 148k so maybe I at least have a vehicle with enough miles on it to have gone wobbley.
We bought ours because of the Honda reliability "myth" and we liked the fancy [url=www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ve4M4UsJQo]honda cog advert[/url] featuring the same car :-)
Why are we just stumping up so much cash for what is a common and safety related problem, it should be a subject of a VOSA recall at the very least.
A few peeps have mentioned taking out the bulb/LED or whatever lights up on the dash, but surely that is part of the circuit too and might trigger another fault maybe costing more to fix.
If doing the nasty and removing the blub, how do you get to it, has anyone been brave enough to do it, did it invoke yet another warning light.
I'm hesitant to do anything as we are on a low fixed income and bought the Honda last year at twhat we thought was a god price and should see us for a good few years before it would need replacing. I'm sure others will have done similar and just cannot afford to have these huge bills for a small part going AWOL.
I think I might need to buy something which fires a lead projectile, just not sure whee to aim it, ormaybe just get some testicles and join forces and maybe collectively email Honda to let them know how we all feel, as this won't be the only forum discussing this problem, maybe if they sense the feelings of us all, they migh re-think the issue, meanwhile I won't hold my breath.
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the vsa module (or abs unit) is a bosch mk60 unit. They are failing on lots of makes and models espesially the vag group (vw audi skode seat). On the golf its been know to make it run like a bag of bolts, undrivable due to multiplexing. A company called actronics will recon the unit for 140+vat (2010 catalgue). Its not the CAR makers fault but bosch's fault but they just walk away making loads of money from now selling new units. Bosch have gone done in the quility stakes loads lately.
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Sorry,but Bosch don,t make the Abs unit for these and other makes fitted with the ATE (teves)mk60 type.hth
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I bought a second hand Honda Accord Diesel 2004, with 75,000 on the clock. Full Honda Service History. The last service was all green ticks except the bushes which were on a warning.The front off-side tyre has a slow puncture. Which I have to keep topping up.
I drove the car for a couple of weeks, up and down the M25, heavy rush hour traffic 130 miles round trip. After 2 weeks at low speed the trio of VSA, ABS and TRIANGLE Lights came on, I pulled of the motorway, parked up on a B-road, turned the ignition off, turned back on and the lights were gone.
More hard driving and a week later the lights suddenly came back on, I go over a lot of speed bumps as well and that may not help the stability of the car.
I've read a lot of forums about the Honda VSA and solutions, heres my take on it...The VSA is a unit that monitors the stability of the car, if something is not right, i.e. tire pressures, or whatever the VSA light comes on along with other lights. I don't believe the VSA is a module that lights up to tell you that itself as a unit is faulty, it lights up to alert of a problem, and stays on till the problem is solved.
I am going to put some air in my tires at lunchtime and see if that fixes it up. On the wekend I am going to get the bushes sorted.
BTW, with the lights on the car drives in the same way as without, I don't drive like an idiot on the road, 80/90mph tops on Motorway, 2 second rule on distance, remember you bought the Accord to commute not race and you won't ever have any problems with it.
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I bought a second hand Honda Accord Diesel 2004, with 75,000 on the clock. Full Honda Service History. The last service was all green ticks except the bushes which were on a warning.The front off-side tyre has a slow puncture. Which I have to keep topping up.
I drove the car for a couple of weeks, up and down the M25, heavy rush hour traffic 130 miles round trip. After 2 weeks at low speed the trio of VSA, ABS and TRIANGLE Lights came on, I pulled of the motorway, parked up on a B-road, turned the ignition off, turned back on and the lights were gone.
More hard driving and a week later the lights suddenly came back on, I go over a lot of speed bumps as well and that may not help the stability of the car.
I've read a lot of forums about the Honda VSA and solutions, heres my take on it...The VSA is a unit that monitors the stability of the car, if something is not right, i.e. tire pressures, or whatever the VSA light comes on along with other lights. I don't believe the VSA is a module that lights up to tell you that itself as a unit is faulty, it lights up to alert of a problem, and stays on till the problem is solved.
I am going to put some air in my tires at lunchtime and see if that fixes it up. On the wekend I am going to get the bushes sorted.
BTW, with the lights on the car drives in the same way as without, I don't drive like an idiot on the road, 80/90mph tops on Motorway, 2 second rule on distance, remember you bought the Accord to commute not race and you won't ever have any problems with it.
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I bought a second hand Honda Accord Diesel 2004, with 75,000 on the clock. Full Honda Service History. The last service was all green ticks except the bushes which were on a warning.The front off-side tyre has a slow puncture. Which I have to keep topping up.
I drove the car for a couple of weeks, up and down the M25, heavy rush hour traffic 130 miles round trip. After 2 weeks at low speed the trio of VSA, ABS and TRIANGLE Lights came on, I pulled of the motorway, parked up on a B-road, turned the ignition off, turned back on and the lights were gone.
More hard driving and a week later the lights suddenly came back on, I go over a lot of speed bumps as well and that may not help the stability of the car.
I've read a lot of forums about the Honda VSA and solutions, heres my take on it...The VSA is a unit that monitors the stability of the car, if something is not right, i.e. tire pressures, or whatever the VSA light comes on along with other lights. I don't believe the VSA is a module that lights up to tell you that itself as a unit is faulty, it lights up to alert of a problem, and stays on till the problem is solved.
I am going to put some air in my tires at lunchtime and see if that fixes it up. On the wekend I am going to get the bushes sorted.
BTW, with the lights on the car drives in the same way as without, I don't drive like an idiot on the road, 80/90mph tops on Motorway, 2 second rule on distance, remember you bought the Accord to commute not race and you won't ever have any problems with it.
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