Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - pugnacious

Hi all-


I'm having to go down the legal route to get my money back on a car, and wondered if a Small Claims Court is the right way to go. Back story is on the 'Technical' forum, but a summary is:

We bought a 2015 "Style" (1.2 VTI) from a dealer last week. On the drive home it manifested an EPS fault, and I phoned the supplying dealer there and then. They asked me to find out what the problem was and they'd foot the bill.

I got it checked via an independent Pug/Citroen specialist and their diagnosis was a failing EPS system, about £2500 all in using genuine parts. Clearly, this was why it was traded in. My bad. It seemed like a good one.

The dealer has been informed (this was a trial involving using a mobile phone borrowed from a friend) and wants to repair the car. For various reasons, mostly around them attempting to avoid my calls since the issue happened, I dont want this. A trustworthy outfit wouldn't have avoided my calls, and if I did, they'd have my car and my money. As it stands just now, even the promised invoice for sale hasn't yet arrived by email, never mind anything else. Fortunately I have a full record of the transaction, including Auto Trader advert, bank transfers, their iMessages (listed against their published AT contact number). So I want to reject the car entirely.

And apparently, I'm legally entitled to do so:

https://www.thecarexpert.co.uk/rejecting-a-car/

Short-term right to reject – the first 30 days

If your new or used car has a significant fault that was present when you bought it (as opposed to developing afterwards), you can reject the car within the first 30 days and get a full refund.

You do not have to accept a repair or replacement vehicle (although you can if you want to).

You are entitled to a full refund by the same method in which you paid for the car. The dealer cannot charge for usage, wear and tear, collection of the vehicle or anything else.

It is the dealer’s obligation to collect the vehicle, unless your sales contract includes a clause obliging you to return the car. You only have to make sure the car is available to collect.'

I've informed the dealer that I'm going down the rejection route- oddly enough, initially by iMessage as they wouldn't pick up, and then via a recorded delivery letter to their business premises, sent yesterday, with all the evidence of what happened included. I even offered to drop it off if they paid my fuel and train ticket, rather than them send a car transporter, just to get it sorted out quickly.

By return iMessage, they're telling me that I agreed to a repair, which isn't the case- when they expressed a wish to do this, I told them I'd check my rights and get back to them, which I have done. (They're claiming that they recorded my call agreeing to a repair, which is laughable)

So I think it's going to get legal. The recorded delivery letter will arrive with them today, and my intention was to give them until the end of the bank holiday to consider and then take it further. So on Tuesday, I was going to mount a small claims action for this. This will cost me about £200, but it's worth it. This was a lot of money to me, I'm not wealthy and we really needed this car in working order.

Has anyone else ever had to do this?

Edited by pugnacious on 06/05/2023 at 09:23

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - Adampr

Take it back to them, with the keys, all paperwork and a letter saying you have rejected the car within the 30 day statutory period. Did you pay any part, such as a deposit, on a credit card?

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - pugnacious

Thanks Adam. Unfortunately, all done on a debit card; an initial deposit, and then the final balance.

I'd happily do as you suggest; in fact it would be my preference to front them in this way, but the complication is that the dealership is 250 miles from me. Yes, I know that was a stupid thing to do. So it's a long drive to get there and be denied or stonewalled, as they're insisting on a repair. Hence why I'm trying to get agreement for the rejection ahead of time.

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - Adampr

Thanks Adam. Unfortunately, all done on a debit card; an initial deposit, and then the final balance.

I'd happily do as you suggest; in fact it would be my preference to front them in this way, but the complication is that the dealership is 250 miles from me. Yes, I know that was a stupid thing to do. So it's a long drive to get there and be denied or stonewalled, as they're insisting on a repair. Hence why I'm trying to get agreement for the rejection ahead of time.

You won't be able to get them to agree to a rejection through the courts. All you can do is claim for your financial loss, but you don't have one at the moment.

Within 30 days, they don't have an option to repair unless you agree to it. By returning the car, at least you have a loss to claim against, but they might well wriggle out of ever compensating you by demonstrating that they have no assets. Probably why they haven't given you an invoice - it would identify what business your claim was against.

In all honesty, your best bet might be to see what WBAC will give you for it, take the hit and try again with either a private sale or a trader that will take a credit card.

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - pugnacious

Thanks. I'd thought the law would offer me more protection than this.

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - elekie&a/c doctor
During the 30 day right to reject , it’s the dealers responsibility to collect the vehicle. Do not drive it anywhere.
Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - pugnacious

Thanks Doc; barring a short journey of a 5 mile radius from my home to check the problem still existed (and it did, which is how I found out about the key out short-term fix), its only been driven to the independent specialist garage and back since it arrived with me.

Appreciate you reminding me though. I'm not sure of how these would fail when they eventually fail completely. The indy told me it could be at any time without warning, so I can't risk it locking up completely with me at the wheel.

As an aside, this was intended for a child of mine which adds to the stress of wondering if it will try to kill me!

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - Andrew-T

Thanks. I'd thought the law would offer me more protection than this.

It does. But like many others, making it stick is the tricky bit - especially without throwing more good money after bad.

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - Palcouk
If you are forced to use Small CC, you are looking at a delay of at least 12 months before any resolution.
I never use a debit card, only cc as it offers more protection in any transaction.
Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - elekie&a/c doctor
If the power steering fails , you will still have control of the car , but it’ll be heavy to turn the wheel at low speed .
Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - pd

Don't forget the reasonable person test. Is a possible fault on the EPS enough to reject an 8 year old car?

They might argue it is not. They might, reasonably in my opinion, at the very least ask to inspect the car first to confirm the diagnosis.

EPS failures are not uncommon on these. They do not usually cost £2500 to repair. You can get rebuilt racks for about £250 + fitting.

That said, if they really are avoiding your calls then getting anything might be a challenge.

Edited by pd on 09/05/2023 at 18:28

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - elekie&a/c doctor
I think it’s reasonable enough for the power steering to work on a car of this age . It’s a safety critical item . If it was a failed window motor, then that’s a different story.
Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - pd
I think it’s reasonable enough for the power steering to work on a car of this age . It’s a safety critical item . If it was a failed window motor, then that’s a different story.

I agree it should work, but is it a reasonable thing to reject a car for? Some would argue its just one of those things on a used car as long as the seller fixes it.

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - Andrew-T
I think it’s reasonable enough for the power steering to work on a car of this age

My Pug 207 is twice as old, with EPS which has always worked correctly. Of course any part CAN fail unexpectedly early - I wonder what the normal life of EPS is ?

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - elekie&a/c doctor
I owned a 2002 Astra with eps . Still working fine when I sold it in 2018 .
Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - pd

They do go wrong from time to time. Corsas are particularly known for it.

Sometimes you get lucky and it is just a low battery causing a voltage drop.

Fortunately it (EPS) is now common on a lot of cars so there are repair solutions available vastly cheaper than throwing main dealer parts at them.

Edited by pd on 10/05/2023 at 16:22

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - pugnacious

Thought I'd return with an update.

The dealer and I agreed that I could get the car repaired locally, with recon parts: as you said pd, supply and fitting of these was far cheaper. Thanks for that advice. I agreed to get this done at my expense and invoice the dealer.

However, that being done- the comms dropped to zero from the dealer. After much fobbing off and ignoring, I started a small claims action. This too was ignored, so I proceeded to a CCJ.

And then I spotted that they were applying to wind up the business. An accountancy firm does their admin. So I called the acct to see if I was listed as a creditor. I wasn’t. I explained that there was a court action in place 3 weeks before the windup commencement, and as directors have to sign off on accounts, then this seemed to me to be account misrepresentation- that can bar directors from directorships. He promised to phone the delaer/his client, and did so. 1 hr later, a panicked call from the dealer explained that it was all a terrible misunderstanding, and I had my money very shortly afterwards.

Cheers all

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - Andrew-T

Brilliant !!

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - elekie&a/c doctor
Excellent results. Presumably now the company is being wound up , there’s no warranty on your car now . ?
Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - Adampr

Good news, and a really helpful update for others (and there are many) that get caught in the same situation. Well done, and thank you.

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - pugnacious

I would think so, ED. I might take out a warranty myself- tbd. Still mulling it over. Thanks also for the advice earlier.

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - Andrew-T
Excellent results. Presumably now the company is being wound up ...

Is it ? Perhaps they were just trying it on ?

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - pugnacious

Who, the dealer? No. Companies House showed an application to wind up the business, 3 weeks after the small claims action was commenced. Thats why I did what I did.

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - Andrew-T

Who, the dealer? No. Companies House showed an application to wind up the business, 3 weeks after the small claims action was commenced. Thats why I did what I did.

Please let us know if that business arises phoenix-like after a few months ?

Peugeot 208 2015 - Small Claims Court to reject car? - pugnacious

It's in the throes of doing so. The accountant let slip that the new business was being prepared by him. It will be weeks, not months.

I suspect I may not have been the only disgruntled customer.

Edited by pugnacious on 28/07/2023 at 16:36