http://www.honestjohn.co.uk Honest John forum en-gb Sat, 13 Dec 2025 21:33:43 +0000 Copyright: (C) www.honestjohn.co.uk 5 hjforum1508444 Tue, 30 Sep 2025 09:19:00 +0000 And now, the end is near And so I face the final curtain My friend, I'll say it clear I'll state my case, of which I'm certain I've lived a life that's full I traveled each and every highway I have joined the "other place" so hope to see you there. Alternatively, if you have, or are interested in, a Toyota then TOC. Motoring discussion Heidfirst Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508444 hjforum1508443 Tue, 30 Sep 2025 07:13:16 +0000   Farewell to all. I read the forum most days and enjoyed the advice and banter. Posted a few times but not recently. Thanks to Moderators past and present for a sterling job ‘ May the road rise up to meet you. May the wind be always at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face; the rains fall soft upon your fields and until we meet again, may God hold you in the palm of His hand.’ I've had the road rise up to meet me a few times, including once when I cycled off the end of Great Cumbrae while drunk and gazing up at the stars.(1971 or 72 I think) It hurts       Motoring discussion edlithgow Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508443 hjforum1508442 Tue, 30 Sep 2025 07:07:10 +0000 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBFiUxzWk34&list=RDxBFiUxzWk34 Motoring discussion edlithgow Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508442 hjforum1508440 Tue, 30 Sep 2025 01:38:27 +0000 I am sorry to see this forum go.  Thanks to the mods and all the knowledgable contributors especially SLO and eleciedoc.  I have been on HJ since about 2004 or so.  For all you old hands do you remember the Growler and his posts from the Philippines?   Always a good laugh and he was sorely missed.  I am trying to join the Car 4 site with mixed luck but seem to be making some progress thanks to help from Smokie.  Hope to see the rest of you over there.   Motoring discussion expat Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508440 hjforum1508439 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 23:57:44 +0000 Adieu, adieu, to yieu and yieu and yieu and yieu !!  Motoring discussion Bromptonaut Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508439 hjforum1508438 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 23:54:28 +0000  I resigned my membership there after being roundly abused by a member who lived in Chile. He was kicked out as a result of his awful online behaviour. The irony is I may have to consider rejoining.  I too was abused/bullied by Mark. Bit of an enigma in that he was, on the one hand very intelligent and immensely knowledgeable, and on the other a bit of a nob.  It wasn't about principle, he actively sought to disagree. I recall a particular spat over a joke about the King's younger son. The Mods were more than a wee bit slow in tackling him.     Motoring discussion Bromptonaut Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508438 hjforum1508437 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 23:44:16 +0000 According to messages on C4P they've sorted the glitches for new sign ups.    Motoring discussion Bromptonaut Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201664 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201664&v=t&m=1508437 hjforum1508436 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 23:39:52 +0000 As a long time member but rare contributor, many thanks for all the helpful advice over the last 20 plus years. I might summon the courage to join the other place at some point.  Drive safely  Motoring discussion Robert J. Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508436 hjforum1508435 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 22:37:30 +0000 Thanks to all who contributed, specially the mods.  I may post some Vogon poetry as a farewell. Motoring discussion bathtub tom Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508435 hjforum1508434 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 22:36:44 +0000 Having tried to register yesterday, I didn’t get the activation email, not sure why. So I’ve used a different email address this evening and am now registered and activated as tim70. See you on the other side! Motoring discussion tim10597 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201664 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201664&v=t&m=1508434 hjforum1508433 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 22:30:28 +0000 I have signed up at the other place, but not really had a look around yet. Same username, so may see some of you over there. Motoring discussion mcb100 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508433 hjforum1508432 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 22:22:06 +0000 Cheerio everyone..  Not sure I'll sign up at the other place purely because it looks weird on my phone, which I use for this sort of thing (I'm not actually bad at spelling).  I'll probably be bored and wash up there in about a week. Motoring discussion Adampr Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508432 hjforum1508431 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 22:17:46 +0000 Signed up over 20 years ago to forum after recommendation from my Dad., when at the time I was having an issue with my Rover 416 (HHR) Always enjoyed reading HJ questions page in Sunday Telegraph    Thank you for everyones help over the years.   Ps Have signed up on the other forum as Car_Veh. Motoring discussion Car Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201662 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201662&v=t&m=1508431 hjforum1508430 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 21:58:49 +0000 Farewell to all. I read the forum most days and enjoyed the advice and banter. Posted a few times but not recently. Thanks to Moderators past and present for a sterling job ‘ May the road rise up to meet you. May the wind be always at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face; the rains fall soft upon your fields and until we meet again, may God hold you in the palm of His hand.’ Motoring discussion UCB Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508430 hjforum1508429 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 21:40:18 +0000 Sorry to see the forum closing down, even though I wasn't a frequent poster. Always liked reading SLO's posts, particularly his experiences with EV's. Also found Ethan Edwards EV posts quite interesting too. Was looking forward to seeing how his MG4 works out. Will probably consider an EV when I next change. Thanks to  elekie&a/c doctor for giving advise on a couple of occasions. Most importantly thanks to the various Mods the forum has had, without which the forum couldn't function. Might sign up to the other side, but not at the moment. Best of luck everyone. Motoring discussion FiestaOwner Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508429 hjforum1508428 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 21:38:47 +0000 A bit of a forlorn goodbye from me, no more HJ no more c*******, thanks to all who worked to keep HJ going, I seem to remember starting out on HJ around 2002 or perhaps earlier. See you all on Pistonheads maybe? So it's good night and goodbye from focussed. Motoring discussion focussed Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201662 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201662&v=t&m=1508428 hjforum1508427 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 20:19:45 +0000 farewell everbody. hope you come over to 4play. thank you HJ and all the mods past and present. popped in most everyday over the last 23 years... learnt a lot.  ac doc ,hope the technical section over there improves now folk come over.  adieu Motoring discussion blindspot Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508427 hjforum1508426 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 20:00:46 +0000 I got the verification eemail but had to email the webmaster(at)c a r 4 p l a y.com to get it fully enabled. all sorted now. The email address I used is a *******@outlook.com one incase this has some bearing on whether the verification email is received ok. Motoring discussion mord Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201664 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201664&v=t&m=1508426 hjforum1508425 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 19:54:25 +0000 Sigh, all good things must come to an end I suppose :-( Been lurking these parts since around 2007 when I was looking to buy my first car. I found the Good and Bad sections of HJ reviews to be refreshingly, ahem, honest, serving up information that was not easily found elsewhere and helping to seperate the gems from the bangers. Whilst I wouldnt be a regular poster, being the introverted antisocial being that I am, I have very much enjoyed dropping in to read the ongoing motoring discussions and EV bashing mixed in with the odd conspiracy therory. A bit like a soap opera really. My lunchtime reading shall forever be a little duller. Many thanks to everyone who made it all possible, and hopefully be seeing you again over in the other place. Best regards, M Motoring discussion mord Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201662 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201662&v=t&m=1508425 hjforum1508423 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 19:03:49 +0000 I've updated the Sticky thread at the top of the forum but I know from experience few read them... We don't know exactly when the forum will be locked but assume fairly early tomorrow. This will be done by the IT Team, moderators don't have the ability to do it. The moderators' email account will be monitored until the lock happens but after that, should you need to contact the company over something  important , then your only option is the general site contacts. This is at the bottom of the site page but for ease I've put the link in the Sticky thread in each forum. I know this has been said before in one of the other threads but it's worth repeating - many thanks to all those who have contributed their advice to help others. It's always the contributors that make a forum. All the best and hopefully some might go over to C4P. I intend doing so at some point but not immediately. Xileno / Roger   Motoring discussion Xileno Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201683 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201683&v=t&m=1508423 hjforum1508421 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 18:17:40 +0000 Do not intentionally run a Toyota hybrid that low on fuel, if it runs out completely you risk a very expensive repair bill involving a recovery wagon to the local Toyota main dealer & potentially waiting for the special HV battery charger which there is only 2 in the UK. Also running the vehicle out of fuel can cause the hybrid system to shut down so adding more fuel from a can wont even revive it, it would require recovery to a Toyota main dealer. I am told that the latest Toyota hybrids have resolved this - they will shut down before running dry & will restart simply by adding fuel. I don't really want to test it though ... Motoring discussion Heidfirst Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201681 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201681&v=t&m=1508421 hjforum1508420 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 18:13:27 +0000 As for my only niggle, the fuel gauge and indicated range. The car has a 43 litre tank (9.5 gallons) and that should give about 570 miles @ 60 mpg. With a full tank the indicated range was 460 miles and after 350 miles the gauge was below 1/4, a range of 80 miles with 100 miles still to go. For the first time since we had the Bluebird we had to fill up on route. I managed to get approx 6.1 gallons in which filled the tank and restored the range to 460 miles. Did the same on the way home, annoying but it would have been more so at the motorway services where E10 was £1.589/litre (we used those on the A9 where it was £1.359/litre). Posted about this on the Toyota forum and nothing wrong, simply how its set up. When you get to empty with zero miles there is still 2 gallons approx left in the tank. Will have to put a can in the boot and take a brave pill and test it locally, would be nice to get there without the additional stop. The range counts down to Reserve (approx. 8l) not to empty, the low fuel warning will come on when showing ~25 miles left. Motoring discussion Heidfirst Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201681 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201681&v=t&m=1508420 hjforum1508419 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 18:02:52 +0000 Hi SLO, in my case i did get the verification email, it was in spam, but the link took me to an error page, fortunately that didn’t seem to matter as when i went to the log in page again it said i had verified. Hope that helps. Motoring discussion Metropolis. Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201664 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201664&v=t&m=1508419 hjforum1508418 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 17:59:51 +0000 Many thanks SLO! That’s good to hear. And yes, I did nearly add ‘apart from the diesels’ in my question. Motoring discussion Metropolis. Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=126323 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=126323&v=t&m=1508418 hjforum1508417 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 17:55:26 +0000 As for my only niggle, the fuel gauge and indicated range. The car has a 43 litre tank (9.5 gallons) and that should give about 570 miles @ 60 mpg. With a full tank the indicated range was 460 miles and after 350 miles the gauge was below 1/4, a range of 80 miles with 100 miles still to go. For the first time since we had the Bluebird we had to fill up on route. I managed to get approx 6.1 gallons in which filled the tank and restored the range to 460 miles. Did the same on the way home, annoying but it would have been more so at the motorway services where E10 was £1.589/litre (we used those on the A9 where it was £1.359/litre). Posted about this on the Toyota forum and nothing wrong, simply how its set up. When you get to empty with zero miles there is still 2 gallons approx left in the tank. Will have to put a can in the boot and take a brave pill and test it locally, would be nice to get there without the additional stop. Do not intentionally run a Toyota hybrid that low on fuel, if it runs out completely you risk a very expensive repair bill involving a recovery wagon to the local Toyota main dealer & potentially waiting for the special HV battery charger which there is only 2 in the UK. Also running the vehicle out of fuel can cause the hybrid system to shut down so adding more fuel from a can wont even revive it, it would require recovery to a Toyota main dealer.  Toyota will also NOT pay for a running out of fuel repair under warranty! When the low fuel warning light comes on just refuel the tank, Toyota has built the safety reserve margin in to the fuel system for a very good reason.  Motoring discussion Lee Power Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201681 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201681&v=t&m=1508417 hjforum1508416 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 17:44:47 +0000 Mod did reply to my message earlier, deleted my account and told me to try again. Again no verification email received unfortunately so there’s a wee glitch in the software somewhere. Motoring discussion SLO76 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201664 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201664&v=t&m=1508416 hjforum1508415 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 17:41:23 +0000 SLO, would you include Suzuki on that list or are they not quite as good in your experience? Many thanks I’ve generally had good experiences with Suzuki’s. I would include them, though that doesn’t include those fitted with Fiat diesel motors. Motoring discussion SLO76 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=126323 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=126323&v=t&m=1508415 hjforum1508414 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 17:13:47 +0000 Thank you everyone over the years who helped me and countless others. Thank you to all the mods over the years who've kept us spam free and given their free time up to keep things running. Will miss you all.  Lee Motoring discussion leef Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201662 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201662&v=t&m=1508414 hjforum1508413 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 17:07:30 +0000 Sounds a great car and am pleased it's a worthy successor to the Superb. Thanks for taking the time to write it. I've always thought these real-life accounts are one of the greatest assets of the Backroom. Motoring discussion Xileno Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201681 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201681&v=t&m=1508413 hjforum1508412 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 16:53:26 +0000 Was going to write something after 6 months but I guess its now or never. The review could be quite simple, its excellent and a worthy (but different) successor to the Superb PHEV. But to make the post worthwhile here is a bit of detail. Its a 2025 spec 2 litre in Icon trim (the lowest one). It has pretty much everything we wanted, simply added a full size spare (fits under the boot floor) and got tints on the windows (not the front ones). The only notable omissions would be rain sensitive wipers (do miss those and would happily trade them for auto lights any day) and blind spot alert (but in truth the one on the demo Excel was pretty useless compared to the system on the Superb). On a weeks holiday in Scotland 2 weeks ago it proved to be perfect for our needs, roomy, comfortable, refined and economical (more about that later). The performance from the engine and 5th Gen CVT is great, better than the 2 cars with the Gen 4 we have tested before. On the way back a boat would heave been better than a car but it never put a wheel wrong in truly dreadful conditions. As for economy my spreadsheet says 62 mpg and the dash also says 62mpg, very happy with that. On the run up to Aviemore (430 miles) most of which is on motorways (M1, M62, M61, M6, M74) and dual carriageways (A9) we cruised at 72 mph on the speedo and averaged just about 60 mpg (dash and calculated). The Toyota Forum insists in that type of use a 2 litre will only average mid to high 40's whereas the 1.8 will average 60+, shows how much they know. As for my only niggle, the fuel gauge and indicated range. The car has a 43 litre tank (9.5 gallons) and that should give about 570 miles @ 60 mpg. With a full tank the indicated range was 460 miles and after 350 miles the gauge was below 1/4, a range of 80 miles with 100 miles still to go. For the first time since we had the Bluebird we had to fill up on route. I managed to get approx 6.1 gallons in which filled the tank and restored the range to 460 miles. Did the same on the way home, annoying but it would have been more so at the motorway services where E10 was £1.589/litre (we used those on the A9 where it was £1.359/litre). Posted about this on the Toyota forum and nothing wrong, simply how its set up. When you get to empty with zero miles there is still 2 gallons approx left in the tank. Will have to put a can in the boot and take a brave pill and test it locally, would be nice to get there without the additional stop. So to anyone wanting a spacious, quick, economical biggish estate go and have a drive. But stick to the Icon with its 205 55 profile tyres, the 45's and 40's do nothing for the car. Motoring discussion skidpan Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201681 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201681&v=t&m=1508412 hjforum1508411 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 16:22:48 +0000 You can see why whoever is offering the cheapest long term rental deals is shifting the metal these days, currently the Chinese. Motoring discussion gordonbennet Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201680 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201680&v=t&m=1508411 hjforum1508410 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 16:22:32 +0000 I think maybe you need to look a bit more into depreciation as it is emphatically not linear. Biggest drop by far is the first year, a bit less on the second, then the a bit less again on the third. After this the depreciation curve starts to flatten out and the percentage lost will be much less in the fourth year than the first. Also a given percentage of £17.5k is clearly more than that same percentage of £11k.  So comparing the total lost on a car you owned for 8 years with a much more expensive car at just one year old is both unfair and meaningless (unless you only plan to keep it a short time). If you can find out the percentage of its value your last car would have lost in its first year, well that would be a fair comparison.  Motoring discussion badbusdriver Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201680 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201680&v=t&m=1508410 hjforum1508409 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 16:17:12 +0000 Depreciation lercentages probably haven't changed it is just the numbers are larger. Saw my dad at the weekend, he was considering changing his 10 year old Jazz for a 2-3 year old used model as an 82nd birthday treat. He quikclt realised it had far too much tech which he wouldn't get on with and would never need and that's before the price to change so he's keeping his old one. Motoring discussion daveyjp Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201680 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201680&v=t&m=1508409 hjforum1508408 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 16:02:11 +0000 I have been looking at buying Renault Clio 1.6 hybrid Techno  , My Budget was £10,000 plus my own car which i bought in March 2017 as a Pre Reg 1.5 Diesel Clio for £11,000 and i have recently been offered £5000 by a company in Gates head call rubber duck car sales, So over the last 8.5 years, I have lost £6000 and this gave me £15,000 to spend on another Clio  I soon found out that i had to increase my budget to buy a decent car and i found a Renault Clio 1.6 hybrid Techno at £17.500 which was around a year old with 6000 on the clock. I decided to do a check on We buy any car would offer me if i had to sell the car and there offer was £14800 , So that's a drop of £2700 just leaving the forecourt and then over the next 12 months, The car would drop a further 10% at least , So the car will be worth £13300 with a total loss of over £4000 at least in a 12 month period. I understand that with inflation the cost of buying cars have gone up, plus of course the price of older second hand cars are now worth more since covid but for me it doesn't make sense in changing cars since the amount of money you loose in such a short time doesn't make financial sense. Its been a interesting journey looking into the second hand car market over the last few weeks, I have to say, i was very close to buying a fresh car until i looked at the depreciation Motoring discussion malct Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201680 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201680&v=t&m=1508408 hjforum1508407 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 16:01:14 +0000 I have been a member for a very long time, I don't post often but do/did drop in regularly to benefit from the diverse and very useful posts here.  I was a member of the other place under a different username, I recollect it was set up when HJ was down for a period for refurbishment. I resigned my membership there after being roundly abused by a member who lived in Chile. He was kicked out as a result of his awful online behaviour. The irony is I may have to consider rejoining.  Thank goodness this place was always pleasant and polite, and at time spirited. I am grateful for all the help I have received and wish everybody, and especially the mods, well.  Motoring discussion MGspannerman Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508407 hjforum1508403 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 14:34:04 +0000 Wishing everyone all the best. Maybe we will meet again on some other site. RichardM Motoring discussion Richard M Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508403 hjforum1508401 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 13:34:25 +0000 All the best everyone, I have enjoyed my time on this forum, a mistake to close it really. Hope to see you on the alternative site. Wishing you all happy motoring for many years to come. Best, Metropolis Motoring discussion Metropolis. Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508401 hjforum1508400 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 13:19:16 +0000 Big John: For rust prevention Dinitrol is a good product, I don’t know where you’re based but there are a few approved treatment centres dotted about that you can see on here: https://www.dinitroldirect.com/treatment-centre Motoring discussion Metropolis. Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=126323 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=126323&v=t&m=1508400 hjforum1508399 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 13:14:32 +0000 SLO, would you include Suzuki on that list or are they not quite as good in your experience? Many thanks Motoring discussion Metropolis. Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=126323 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=126323&v=t&m=1508399 hjforum1508398 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 12:42:06 +0000 Reply went to my Spam folder but it seems my account is waiting approval.  Account now approved and open for posting - see introductions page over the way.    Motoring discussion Bromptonaut Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201664 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201664&v=t&m=1508398 hjforum1508397 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 12:07:57 +0000 Agree, seems sad that the forum is closing, but there are others. I'd never heard of that "other place" before, though from a quick look there seem to be a fair number of familiar looking usernames. Perhaps I'll join up there as well. There is also the other other place (the larger more commercial one involving Pistons) which I suspect at least some here post on as well. So hopefully there should still be somewhere to go for car related chat for a whole yet. Motoring discussion Ian_SW Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508397 hjforum1508396 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 12:03:26 +0000 Perhaps..   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsM_VmN6ytk Motoring discussion Maxime. Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508396 hjforum1508395 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 11:36:44 +0000 Sad day. I'll miss this forum. All the best to everyone.   John....   Motoring discussion Big John Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508395 hjforum1508394 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 10:58:56 +0000 Despite the ever increasing work to make owning a car and driving a miserable experience there are still great roads put there, enjoy them while you can! My regular runs into north Wales in the Pug 205 probably fit that description.  Apart from a moderate increase in traffic and an almost blanket coverage of Welsh speed limits, it is much the same as 30 years ago. Motoring discussion Andrew-T Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508394 hjforum1508393 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 10:54:58 +0000 All the best everyone, I wish you well in all your endeavours, motoring or otherwise. From me too.  I haven't joined up to the Other Place yet, but may give it a go soon.  Hope to see old friends there. Motoring discussion Andrew-T Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508393 hjforum1508392 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 10:17:25 +0000 After what appears to be about 23 years of membership and posting its goodbye from me. Since then I've had 8 cars, wife has had 7, I estimate I've driven about 500,000 miles. I didn't have a daughter, I now have a daughter who has been through 19 years of life, now finding her way, loves driving and more than happy with her 10 year old Swift which has given her real freedom over the summer. I did pen a review of my wife's latest purchase, a 4 year old Yaris Hybrid, but never managed to post it.  It did break over the weekend, but a 12v battery disconnection reset the multitude of errors it showed on the motorway telling me to go the dealer! Despite the ever increasing work to make owning a car and driving a miserable experience there are still great roads put there, enjoy them while you can! Farewell all. Dave Motoring discussion daveyjp Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508392 hjforum1508391 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 09:33:24 +0000 All the best everyone, I wish you well in all your endeavours, motoring or otherwise. Andy S Motoring discussion SLO76 Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508391 hjforum1508390 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 09:31:45 +0000 As a long term follower and contributer , it’s been a great experience and pleasure. Does anyone want any Ford radio codes , last minute? Btw , I am on the other forum . Motoring discussion elekie&a/c doctor Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508390 hjforum1508389 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 09:09:39 +0000 My earliest post here seems to have been in July of 2003, though I seem to remember e-mailing HJ via the Daily Telegraph regarding additives to engine oil before that. In life generally I believe it's a mistake to assume anything will go on for ever, but the loss of the HJ Back Room and all it represents in terms of accumulated knowledge and experience is a bitter pill to swallow. The C 4 P forum is probably the closest relative to this one and I hope that every contributor here, but particularly the most helpful ones, will end up there. For those interested, I have been a member of the other place ever since it started up, under various screen names. Currently I'm James Loveless. I very much hope that for most of us, this will be "au revoir" and not "adieu", but whoever you are, please accept my thanks and very best wishes. And no signing off like this would be complete without expressing thanks to the moderators, past and present, for helping to keep things civilised. There were times when we tested your patience. Motoring discussion FP Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508389 hjforum1508388 Mon, 29 Sep 2025 09:08:28 +0000 The Last Post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDeHMg6gd9g Motoring discussion Falkirk Bairn Motoring discussion http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677 http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=201677&v=t&m=1508388