My Focus TDCi can be a pig to start on cold mornings. A contact at Ford says this is due to glow plugs being timed at 2-3 seconds instead of 4-5.
Perhaps the Focus battery is just too weak for a proper glow? Judging by the way my lights brighten when the heated front screen goes off then it is a bit marginal.
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Hi, my brand new leased company car is a Mondeo TDci with the 130 bhp engine. Today 2 days old and only 500 miles on the clock it started ok, ran for about 2 mins and then cut the engine with the glowplug light flashing. It restarted straight away and has not done it again (yet!) the Ford dealer sid it was showing signs of fuel pump wear and reading this forum makes that sound more sense, I thought how could a 2 day old car have a worn fuel pump?. This is a slightly different symptom to most of the ones on here, has any one else had this fault and more so had it cured?
Thanks
Richard
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Kurnal said recently that there had been a safety recall to "beef up the main fuel filter" (I think). I don't know if that covers the same thing.
Sorry to read about the starting problem. Mine has never done this touch wood. Its a great car in all respects except fuel economy which is modest at best for me. Be interesting to know what yours does. Is yours the new 6 speed?
Splodgeface
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Yes it is the 6 speed box and I wasn't expecting it as the bruchure I had made no mention of it. As for the fuel economy I have only done 600 miles in the car so far but the last 100 miles has used half a tank !! so don't know what's going on there. Hopefully it will settle down.
Richard
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Hi once again
My dealer has shown me the recall notice on the fuel filter-
The fuel filter upgrade applies to mondeo and focus tdcis and the filter is being changed to stop particles greater than 2 microns - the old one was a 5 micron filter. No full recall will take place- the filter will be changed at the next scheduled service ( So ford avoid paying labour charges for the upgrade he says).
As you know I have had one or two probs and as I was still still suffering the part throttle misfire problem the dealer agreed to fit the new filter.
The effect was immediate and dramatic- the car is transformed and the misfire has gone. Sometimes theres just a hint of a shudder on partly opening the throttle but its gone in a flash. I really cant understand how a filter change can make such a difference and am wondering if there was an air leak or something on the old filter. Anyway I am chuffed to bits!
When my current car was just a few weeks old it had a similar one off problem when I started up at the supermarket. There was no power, the engine was knocking badly and the glow light was flashing. I pulled over and restarted- the problem disappeared and has never come back. I have been told it may have been a bit of dirt in the system! or a sticking injector? Anyway no probs since- now done 8500 miles.
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Kurnal, Great news!
Interested to know if it has had any effect on your mpg.
Splodgeface
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The fuel filter mod has not had any noticeable effect on the fuel consumption. Since we last posted on this I have had 2 software updates and the spring has come, gradually the fuel consumption has stabilised out at about 42 mpg. It never drops below 40mpg now - I dont expect it to improve any more- its mildly dissapointing but I dont mind cos its going so well now.
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Hi All
My Focus has just turned 1 year old, with 51,000 on the clock.
Last week I was in Scotland, driving on the motorway and guess what .... it started to do the ususal problem that I've had from day one, the glowplug light started to flash, but this time the car decided to go into "Limp Home mode" It wouldn't rev above 3000RPM and sounded like a bad a spanners!!! I mamaged to get it to the hotel and was told it would be ok to drive the following day to get me to the garage.
Morning arrived and I tried to start the car, smoke?? You have never seen so much smoke in your life....!!!! I didnt drive to to the garage as it sounded Very Very Serious!!!!
Anyway after lots of phone calls to Ford, the Lease company etc. it was agreed that the Garage would look at it stright away.
The RAC took it to the dealer the following day, and spent 4 hours in the service area watching the engineers Smile and look at the engine..
It turned out that the injection timing had "Gone out"..but they are not to sure on why, the smiley engineer came and said its fixed but we are not to sure why it failed in the first place, and it will probably go again !!!
The Joys of owning a Ford..
Its Booked in at my local dealer now for a full service..maybe they will have some luck
Other problems now are
:- Lumber support knob broken
:- Wipers dont return to the bottom of window
:- Intellegent windows have started to give trouble. Can come back to the car after being parked up and find the Back passenger window all the way down...,its only ever that window which is effected.
One good point is that I managed to get 674 Miles to a tank of fuel 51Ltrs.
(No jokes please that most of them was done being towed!!!)
If you see a Silver Focus on the Hard Shoulder, say hi wont ya !!
Thanks
Dave
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Car went in to the dealers today, Tue 6th May for 50th service, parts which they ordered 1 month ago and also to look at the intermittant glow plug light problem.
Dropped the car off at 8am, as they requested and was told to pick the car up at 5. (Can they manage time or what, i think not)
I arrived at 4.30 to collect the car and was told ;-
**They found no fault with it even though that morning it was flashing its glow plug light at me
**They have to order the parts which they were supposed to be fitting that day but didnt have in , even though they saw the car 1 month ago for the part to be ordered!!
**Put new firmware in the ECU
**They had fitted the silver cover to one of the back wheel nuts
Anyhow...at this point I spoke to Ford Customer Service who have a case number raised against the car and was told now its 12month old its nothing to do with them, its down to the lease company !!! Thanks Gary at Ford..nice to see you can just wash your hands of problems!
I have noticed that the performance has been reduced, and that its responsiveness had gone !!
Only another 48000 miles to go and I can get shut of it !!!
Heres the technical bulletin on the fuel pump problem, if anyone wants to know...
Dave
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TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN No.63/2002
Car and Light/Medium Commercial 31.10.2002
Section: 303 - 04
Model: Mondeo 2001 with 2.0L DuraTorq-TDCi engine built from 10.2001 (build code 1K), Focus with 1.8L DuraTorq-TDCi engine built from 05.2001 (build code 1B)
Markets: All
Subject: Engine running erratically or does not start
Summary
Should a customer express concern that the engine is running erratically or does not start, a common cause is that the fuel pump is unable to deliver the required fuel rail pressure due to wear of the cam, rollers and shoes. The damage is caused by insufficient bedding of the rollers during early life. This also creates metallic particles which can enter the high pressure fuel system and lead to injector failure. To rectify this concern, a revised fuel pump, new injectors and associated parts should be installed.
If this concern is present, it will generally be indicated by a flashing glow plug indicator showing that a fault has been detected.
This bulletin supersedes TSB 63/2002 dated 08.08.2002, which should either be destroyed or clearly marked to show it is no longer valid (e.g. with a line across the page). Additions have been made to the Parts Required and Labour Times. The Service Instruction has been ammended.
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"The damage is caused by insufficient bedding of the rollers during early life."
So Ford are still blaming the driver! Strange because I have been told by two different dealers that the problems were caused by a sub contractor who provided parts for the pumps failing to properly "case harden" the cams and rollers.
And Ford have never changed the running in instructions in the car handbook.
But then I suppose that would be tantamount to holding ones hand up and admitting a mistake. Unthinkable.
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Been back to the dealer today, I have tried to get use to the loss of power since the last ECU Firmware upgrade, but I cant live with the reduced power.
I asked them to put the old firmware back in but they say they have tried but they cant!!!
Has anyone got any ideas to help in this situation ??
Its now got 56775 on the clock...is it time to throw the towel in ???? Or did Ford do that as soon as it came off the production line ???
davematchline@o2.co.uk
Dave
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Dave
Have you seen any of the threads on the mondeo enthusiasts group webpage www.fordmondeo.org
Theres a forum for diesel engines and several posters regularly answer questions to a very great depth- for example one contributor "dieselspecialist" seems to be about 6 steps ahead of the main dealers when it comes to procedures and test equipment.
Many of the problems seem to be common to both the focus and mondeo.
Alan
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Its a funny world...
Did I tell anyone Ive started Swimming??..........its with a bit of a difference....its whilst im driving.!!!!
Thanks to the poor service of my local ford garage they incorrectly refitted my pollen filter and didnt re-set the plasic housing on the passanger side of the car, just under the windscreen.
I left the car parked for about 1.5 hours after driving in very heavey rain for 2 hours on the M6 and by the time I got back to the car there was water all in the passenger footwell, it had also started to make its way into the rear of the car....passing the CD player/inverter under the passanger seat too...
....didnt even bother taking it to the dealers...whats the point?????? ....58000 miles now ...nearly at the end of the lease!!!!
TOTAL ANTI FORD FOR LIFE !!!!!!
Can Anyone recomend a replacement car from another Manufacture ??
PS anyone had problems with the remote window closing...sometimes mine will only wind some of the windows up and no all of them!!!!
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Bit harsh to blame Ford manufacturing for a dealership cock up.
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>>>Thanks to the poor service of my local ford garage<<
I say im now "Anti Ford" because the car has let me down from the first week of having it....Wrong fuel filter fitted faulty software...flat spots.. Electric window problems... need i go on???
Ford Customer service have been involved several times regarding failure of this car.
Dont get me wrong..when the car is running..its fine...great engine, but its still seems to be that Ford are playing at it !!
(Look at TDCI starting problems)
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Hello Mutley & other thread contributors,
I've been lucky enough to have a Mondeo TDci Ghia & VW 130pd Passat back to back during the last few months. Did not get any of the problems listed here with the Mondeo ( did around 5,000 miles in it in 6 weeks )and thought it was a fantastic car to drive. Loads of mid range power and it simply ate up the miles. Fuel consumption in the mid 40's, which, after a Volvo V5 2.4 auto estate which resolutley refused to break the 32 mpg barrier, seemed good to me.
The Passat is in SE trim and only had 565 on the clock, so still a bit 'stiff'when I got the use of it. At first, I didn't like it as much as the Mondeo, but having just done my first reasonably long trip in it, it is growing on me - fast. I think I'm going to order an auto with cruise, sunroof, metallic paint & the 'winter' pack. OTR(list)for this little lot is £20,120 vs £21,000 for a similarly spec'd Mondeo. Passat residuals seem slightly better too, although at 35 - 40,000 business miles annually its not a great concern. Local (Vantage) VW dealer seems to employ staff who are knowledgeable.
So, there's a possible alternative.
Cheers
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Has your missfire still gone? I am going to phone my garage tomorrow to get one fitted.
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Had my nice mondeo tdci zetec 130 estate delivered 9 weeks ago, done approx 10,000 miles in that time. flat spot at the usual 1800-2000rpm, doesnt want to go into 5th gear below 60mph and the boot doesnt shut properly. ford have had the car once and said we will fix the flat spot with a ecu calibration upgrade- weeks past then i decided to phone them THEY SAID THEY HAD FORGOT. Now they say the ecu upgrade wont go onto my car, now its booked in for september for a week???????????? the dealer said the big men from ford will be involved. i will keep everybody informed of the outcome.
Not a happy dagenham dustbin owner.
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Hi All,
Not been on for a while, (Im trying to get the miles in so I dont have to keep the car so long!)
Its recently been in for its service (63400) on the clock now.
A new Ford garage opened up near me so i thought I\'d take it there for a change, since its been in all the others.
A member of staff there was very helpful and said that I could book it in any day that week as they were quite, so I said Friday, this was on the Monday. It needed a service, an oil leak to been looked at and also water coming in the passenger side and the usual intermittant Glow Plug light flashing, which I have lived with since day one.
Anyhow Friday arrived and the car went in 9am and I went back to collect it at 5pm.
To say they were quite and its not a major service they still managed to screw it up, by not doing the work which they were asked to do.
The excuse i was given was they had ran out of time to do anything with it apart from change the oil and stick a set of brake pads on the back. ( For ChRIst Sake how long do they need a car for ????????)
(They just wanted the easy money for the service I think)
Its now booked in for the 5th, cant wait to see what goes wrong then!!
In between this cock up the fuel gauge on the instrument panel has stopped working, but the computer still works ok and says you\'ve got miles and miles to go. ARHHHHHH
Still got the usual problems as well
*Flat spots
*Flashing Glow Plug light
*Stalling
*Water coming in the passenger foot well
*Global closing leaving one window open
*Oil Leak
*Poor performance since last upgrade
*Rough tick over
*Fault code 9138 keeps showing its head (Bat below 10V)
*A Loud metalic noise at start up
My parents wont even go out in it now, unfortunatly I dont have a choice at the moment !!
Hope you guys out there dont have all the problems I\'m having..the only consolation I have is its a Company Car!!!
Dave
Wave if you see a Silver Focus Estate Ghia , its me, usually waiting for the RAC.
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Hi Dave,
Sorry to hear about the continuing nightmare with your car but, as you say, its a company car so eventually will be replaced.
Please take this in the spirit it is intended:
May I suggest you put your comments on a new thread which doesn't mention Mondeo? We Mondeo owners get enough bad press as it is without being associated with Focus woes too!!!
Splodgeface
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