Most people will:
- Be using public transport a lot more ? because it is more widely available, works better, and is cheaper in most cases than using a car
- Be using cars pretty much only for essential journeys ? because the cost is otherwise prohibitive
- Have either changed jobs or moved house ? in order to be able to commute by public transport with reasonable convenience (or be ?tele-commuting? from home)
- Be driving smaller cars
- Be driving cars with much smaller, more efficient engines, and sacrificing performance as a result
- Car sharing
- Have consigned ?classic? etc vehicles to the scrapyard or museums because they are socially unacceptable and prohibitively expensive to run.
In the main, people won?t be:
- Living in rural areas, unless there is decent public transport or they are allowed personal mobility at an affordable price
- Travelling/driving much for leisure/pleasure purposes
- Enjoying so much wealth, because the UK has become expensive and uncompetitive, and the economy has slowed ? certainly in relation to other countries, most of which have not taken such draconian steps.
It?s got this way through legislation by successive governments. Is this the way to save the planet, or is it Hell? Maybe it?s both. How much will (people let) happen and by when?
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Or will have emigrated !
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Meanwhile the Chinese will still be looking on with complete disbelief. Talk about shooting oneself in the foot.
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Thousand working down the mines as the oil will have gone or kept for the use of the oil producing countries.
Gas supplies to the UK turned on and off by our suppliers for the fun of it
Steam engines back on the railways and exciting new models of steam cars and lorries with tenders.
Farms reopened to grow organic fuels.
Arguments on HJs site ?..?I can get 35 miles in my Sentinal car without stoking the boiler, and Welsh coal is better than?..?
Business men turning up at meetings in boiler suits and black faces.
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Business men turning up at meetings in ................. and black faces.
You can't help the colour of your skin. ;-)
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L\'escargot.
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Most people will: - Be using public transport a lot more ? because it is more widely available, works better, and is cheaper in most cases than using a car.................( so how come after all these years of public transport plugging it's too expensive, dirty, inconvenient, dangerous etc)
- Be using cars pretty much only for essential journeys ? because the cost is otherwise prohibitive.........(there will always be some who will pay for it) - Have either changed jobs or moved house ? in order to be able to commute by public transport with reasonable convenience (or be ?tele-commuting? from home).........(maybe, but not convinced) - Be driving smaller cars......(maybe) - Be driving cars with much smaller, more efficient engines, and sacrificing performance as a result.........(some will,some won't) - Car sharing..............(really can't see it) - Have consigned ?classic? etc vehicles to the scrapyard or museums because they are socially unacceptable and prohibitively expensive to run.....(couldn't care less if someone told me it was 'socially unacceptable', in fact might spur me on to use it more....classics don't get used much, so costs not such a problem)
'>> In the main, people won?t be: - Living in rural areas, unless there is decent public transport or they are allowed personal mobility at an affordable price......(you're completely wrong....more people will be living in rural area to escape the politically correct townies, public transport won't improve, too expensive and not enough people using it) - Travelling/driving much for leisure/pleasure purposes......( the alternatives?) - Enjoying so much wealth, because the UK has become expensive and uncompetitive, and the economy has slowed ? certainly in relation to other countries, most of which have not taken such draconian steps........( so why are we currently the world's 4th most vibrant economy with a queue of people wanting to come here) It?s got this way through legislation by successive governments. Is this the way to save the planet, or is it Hell? Maybe it?s both. How much will (people let) happen and by when?
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Have consigned "classic" etc vehicles to the scrapyard or museums because they are socially unacceptable and prohibitively expensive to run.
Ah, the tricky period is probably late 70's to date actually for petrol and late 1990's for diesels. Older diesels will run quite happily on all sorts of light oils, and carburettored cars are reasonably easy to adapt to bioethanol mixes. Older cars, like my 1930 Morgan will run on methanol if I change the jets, but is a lot easier to adapt to other fuels as well (I can lower the compression without compromising the head gaskets).
What you might see, at a future classic rally in 2026 (say) is older cars, but precious few of today's or cars made in the last few years. Unlike today, where cars made in the last 30 years often predominate.
Fuel and oil costs actually play less part in the cost of ownership of vintage and veteran. Some return quite economical MPG figures and total loss oiling in older ones means that for a car doing few miles, the oil costs are low as changing what is in the sump involves about two egg cups full of oil. (Total loss survived until the early 30s for some bike type engines).
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