Xileno thanks for your reply. What's the smallest honda engine Rovers have got and what cars have got these engines?
I've been reading about the models with Honda engines on the Internet and its just so confusing to know exactly what models have them and if there're any specific trim names like SLi etc..
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Early 90's 216, 416 comes to mind (pre-95 I think) had Honda 1.6 engines. Might be a bit hard to find now. Not bad motors, only weak spot was the igniters failing (non-start).
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Yes - the pre 1995 216 and 416 used Honda engine. Need to be careful with 1995 models, was the cut over year.
The problem is these cars will be 11+ years old, even if the Honda engine is still going strong, the rest of the car will be getting a bit shabby now.
Possibly choose a bubble shape 200 with the L Series diesel. Good strong engine, if a bit noisy by modern standards. No head gasket problems with these.
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How about an S reg Rover 420 diesel for £500? tinyurl.com/y2n8sz
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Good buy at £500. It's the L Series engine, not Peugeot, despite what the owner states.
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The Triumph Acclaim had a superb Honda 1.3-litre unit.
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Guys car looks good and for £500 it seems to be a real bargain. Is it definitely an L series engine and not a Pug one? Do all 420 diesels come with L series engine? I'll might drive over to Cambridge in next few days to go to see the car. What could be the common faults on a this car which has done 123k miles. Thanks for all your help so far guys.
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Definitely L Series - unless someone has done a transplant...
Check for cambelt change.
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Why not buy a Honda instead?
1994 M Reg HONDA Civic Bel Air Saloon (trade)
Oldham Car Sales
57,000 miles
Manual 5 speed
BLUE
Petrol
4 Doors, Manual 5 speed, Saloon, Petrol, 57,000 miles, Blue, MOT-06-2007. Adjustable seats, Adjustable steering column/wheel, Air conditioning, Central locking, Colour coding - Body, Driver airbag
£995
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Absolutely.
IIRC the Bel Air comes with an older generation 1300 Honda engine, but none the worse for that.
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LoveMazda if you want good advice and you want a pizza delivery car then you want a bubble micra nothing more nothing less
k to r reg and a 1.0 litre will do the job admirably.just watch for rust and noisy chains
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Oldman I totally agree with what you're saying but the only problem is most of the old small cars don't have power steering as is the case with my 106. So ideally I'm looking for a car which would have power steering.
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Hyundai Accent? Here's an example on Autotrader near me...
1999 V Reg HYUNDAI Accent 1.3i
3 Doors, Manual 5 speed, Coupe, Petrol, 68,000 miles, WHITE, MOT-04-2007, 4 Owners. Cloth upholstery, Colour coding - Body, Driver airbag, Head restraints, Folding rear seats, Power assisted steering.
£995.
A lot were originally sold to elderly drivers, so they're quite common with PAS. Damn good engines too, shouldn't give as many problems as a Pug.
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Dont think anyone has said this yet, but I believe that the 416 Auto right up till the late 1999 ( pre-R45 ) had the Honda unit, but only the auto. The manual had the K-series.
The 216 Auto also had the K-Series connected to an awful CVT box, so on the later cars, its only the 416 Auto thats worth having in petrol if you want a Honda with a Rover badge.
My ex had an M reg 416 auto and it was simply superb although that model of Rover always have trouble with drivers windows falling off their runners so its worth checking the windows work right.
Incredibly reliable car and took no end of punishment.
You know, the most sensible thing to do would be to just find a Honda Civic of the same age! Virtually identical to the Rover save for the engines.
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Hyundai Accent? [...] A lot were originally sold to elderly drivers, so they're quite common with PAS. Damn good engines too
I can vouch for that. Very cheap cars considering the solidity of the oily bits -- what you're getting is a heavily-modified Mitsubishi Colt, built in a modern, up-to-date factory by one of the largest manufacturers in the world, for beer money. The engines are as good as they get, well-proven and good for 150K+ miles (regularly achieved in the USA and Australia where they sell by the carrierload). Panels and interiors are a bit flimsy on pre-2000 cars but after 2000 the build quality really sharpened up.
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Re the first gen 200/400, the 103 bhp 1.4 K series 214/414 was crisper and just as punchy as the 1.6 Honda engined 216/416, also the later 1.6 K series were pretty much fine, it was the 1.8's gained the reputation for HGF probs.
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The K-series still needs careful servicing to avoid problems. Thats why they fail when they get older - lack of correct servicing. Unless you have a FSH, is steer clear of the K-series.
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>>it was the 1.8's gained the reputation for HGF probs.
Are you sure it wasn't the 1.4?
I know personally of no less than 7 people with Rover 1.4s which had HGF. Given that I only knew 8 people with Rover 1.4s, that's a scary percentage.
Shame really, otherwise a decent enough car.
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Honda engines:
216 and 416 models (both SOHC and Twin Cam) 1989-1996
620 and 623 petrol engines (except the turbocharged 620Ti)
Both the above are cruelly underrated cars in my opinion, especially the 600 which is basically an Accord with nicer interior trim. The 623 GSi has everything on it, 155 bhp worth of smooth, reliable Honda power, and is available for peanuts.
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Agree 100% regarding the 600. You can add the 618 to your list as well.
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Yes, sorry. For some reason I was thinking K-series!
Cheers
DP
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I know personally of no less than 7 people with Rover 1.4s which had HGF. Given that I only knew 8 people with Rover 1.4s, that's a scary percentage.
I'm fairly certain it's all K-series engines. I know of people with 1.4 and 1.8 litre cars who've had HG problems. But....I also know a mechanic who owns a Rover 25, looks after it properly (coolant changes etc) and hasn't had any engine problems. Coincidence?
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>> I know personally of no less than 7 people with Rover >> 1.4s which had HGF. Given that I only knew 8 people >> with Rover 1.4s, that's a scary percentage. I'm fairly certain it's all K-series engines. I know of people with 1.4 and 1.8 litre cars who've had HG problems. But....I also know a mechanic who owns a Rover 25, looks after it properly (coolant changes etc) and hasn't had any engine problems. Coincidence?
Its not a coincidence - ive known cars serviced religiously at a main Rover dealer do well over 100k with no HGF issues BUT they were well service by supplying dealer all their life.
I suspect that the K-series is simply a weak design that needs looking after properly with correct fluids and intervals.
What with all the issues with Rover, its no suprise that many fell out of the dealer network thus leading creating a snowball effect thats hard to undo.
I had a 214 with K-series and ran it to 125k with no probs, but then Im a pedantic car owner who over services his cars and I bought a car that I knew the history of from new.
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"I want a car with 1400cc or a smaller engine." No Honda engines fitted in Rovers below this size, except the 213 but they're all rusted away now.
My mate's got a G-reg 213 which I would honestly describe as near showroom condition. Think he paid about £200 for it a few months ago. There are a few minters out there, but you'd have to be lucky to find one.
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There's an easy way to tell whether a Rover has a Honda engine. Pop the bonnet up - if the engine's in back-to-front it's a Honda (cambelt on passenger side of engine). Otherwise it's a rover, most likely a K-series in the size/age that you're looking at, which means HG problems.
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Can someone remind me - I know I was told a long time ago - why do Honda engines run backwards?
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