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Could it be a dealer specific special edition? ISTR that some larger groups use there own stick on badge kits.
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I'm just really worried now. I don't know what to do. I hasve placed a £500 deposit, and already sign the agreement to pay the balance on collection of the car.
Can I just walk away, or will the garage demand me to pay for the car?
I suspect it's the Polo 1.4 TDI 75bhp SE trim, because it has remote central locking (ref Parkers guide). If this is the case, how easy is it to change from the incorrect model on the log book? Do DVLA require evidence of the identity (model) of the vehicle before they allow me to change.
The garage asked me to collect the car next Tuesday. I'm really running out of ideas in terms of what to do now. Any suggestions are welcome.
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Don't panic too much - if it's the car you want a simple dealer or DVLA error needn't put you off. Go and check with a VW main dealer, then go back to your supplying dealer and ask him to sort it out for you. He surely will if he has a good reputation to preserve.
If it isn't the car you want, you should be able to get out of the deal if the particulars are incorrect.
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Avant, thank you for your reply. I'm a bit calm now.
I have had another look at Parkers review. The alloy wheels and Fog light is optional, so this may explain why the car has got these options if it was a Sport model. But one furthe question I have to ask, if its a Sport model it should have the multifunction computer as standard, but the car doesn't seem to have this feature. Confused??
Can a VW dealer provide the real identity of this car if I have the Engine and Chassis number?
Thanks for any reply.
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Does anyone else read this, see
* odd specification
* DVLA logbook error
and think IMPORT?
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Yes i did think it was possibly an import.
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I did asked the question if the car was import, the dealer says no, because the engine number is shown in the log book. Is this true if the engine number is shown in the log book implies that it's not an import?
I have looked at the service book, it wasfirst serviced with a main VW dealer, and subsequent services.
Is there anything I should checking or asking the garage?
However, I have on most importanyt thing to do is check the log book against the car's engine/VIN. I think I was led to believe that I shouldn't need to check these things when I purchase form a main garage (infact its a Nissan Main Dealer). I was told that the car was traded in to Nissan dealer.
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Get the sellinn garage to put in writing the full details and spec of the car you are about to buy, including a statement confirming it isnot an import.
If its a genuine car they will not hesitate to do it; if its not genuine then decide whether you want the car or not. if so carry on. If not ask for your deposit back as they have misrepresented the details.
Just talk to the sellers; they will react!
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I presume you have rung VW in Milton Keynes and asked them when it was first registered and whether they imported it or it was a parallel import [you are best doing that from the dealer to get round any Data Protection try ons]
It sounds like an import, the fog light is standard and required, unless you meant front fog lights.
As for engine number in log book, I don't think what they told you is true, it may be a rule of thumb, but I have had Porsches that were imports that had engine numbers in the logbook. You have to file the same information, so why would it not be in the book ?
First rule of buying cars, don't believe that much that you hear from the man in the suit - it's often BS (far more than it should be) - and before any tame, honest, upstanding car dealers feel put out, don't believe what you read on the internet either.... :)
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I agree, the DVLA site is a good start but I would not treat it as authoritative. Several of our old cars don't even feature on it.
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Can you confirm that the only mention of 'Karmann Ghia' is in the logbook ? No badging on the car, etc ?
I thought Ford had completely taken over Ghia and that no other manufacturers were using that name. I wouldn't have though VW would be allowed to use the ghia name - perhaps it was a dealer special edition ?
That's not a reason to walk away from the car though, assuming that it has been represented properly in other respects.
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I think you will find they are owned by VAG and the car in question is a grey import probably channel islands.
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Channel Islands are not classed as a grey import. They are full UK spec, I've owned an ex Jersey hire car and had no problems re it being an import when I sold it.
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Not all, lots of Fords an VAG with non standard UK spec and dubious 1st reg dates and mileages.
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I think you need to have the history checked out: Karmann Ghia were a builder of convertibles on the Beetle chassis, and also built the Scirroco, and many other vehicles. Didn't know the name was used for badge engineering: the company still exist having several factories, including Brasil etc. Maybe the KG name was used for another market? What are the first 3 VIN numbers?
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Karmann Ghia were a builder of convertibles on the Beetle chassis, and also built the Scirroco
Not quite - Karmann in Osnabrück built the Karmann Ghias (Type 1 and Type 3), Beetle Cabrios and the Sciroccos but it was Ghia of Turin who styled the Karmann Ghia.
My bet is a dealer badged 'special edition' but I'd be interested to see what you turn up.
Gareth
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Ta: I'd forgotten the Italian connection!
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Guys thank you all the help so far. Sorry for the long story....
Today I have discovered the following:
1. Contacted my local VW dealer and I gave them the Engine and VIN number, they say it is a VW POLO 1.4 TDI PD SE. The car is not an import they also said.
2. Contaced DVLA and asked why the model on the log book is different to the VW record. They said |I could get it correct, provided that I get confirmation from VW Dealer & Manufacturer to provide evidence.
3. Contaced VW Dealer which originally sold the car. They confirmed that that the car was sold by them and it is a POLO VW 1.4 TD SE. (Also confirmed that it was not an import). And it is definately not a Sport model as claimed by the garage who try to sell me the car. I explained toi them the scenario, and they are morte than happy to assist me to get the log book corrected, i,e, writing a letter to VW Manufacturer to provide a letter to DVLA.
So now the SE model seems to tie up with the real car spec, i.e no fog light, no multifnction computer, no alloy wheels.
This is what I dedected to after looking at Parkers review.
So the question is what I should do now, walk away and demand my deposit back from the garage. Or continue with the purchase. If however, I decided to continue with the purchase, I will have to sort out all the headache work, i.e getting the VW dealer to provide evidence of the true identity of the car to get the log book corrected.
What do you guys think I should do now, options are buying it and sort ot the log book details, walk away and demand deposit back, report the garage to trading standard for delibrately mis-selling the car model and description.
I have talked to colleague at work they said I should write in a letter to complain and get some discount from the car, becasue if the car is a Sport model and it turned out not to be, it means I have paid more than the normal SE model.
Basically the full spec would be: VW POLO 1.4 TDI 75PS SE, and I agreed to pay £6700 with 20K miles on the clock. Reasonable bodywork for a 2002 year car.
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Well, if you want the car negotiate on the price. Its a lower spec than the sport and you are going to have hassle to sort of the docs. Otherwise get the deposit back and go elsewhere.
(£6700 for a 4 year old polo? Sounds damned expensive to me)
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I will try and negotiate to get the price down to £6200.
This should reflect the lower spec of the car and the hassle of getting the docs sorted out.
Is this reasonable you think?
If the garage say no, I will ask for my deposit back and walk away.
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It's not a necessarily a lesser spec, its a different spec. SE will have different options to the Sport model. Price does seem high, but I wouldn't bother changing the V5, as long as you have paperwork from the dealer to back up the detail you'll be fine - thousands of V5s are wrong. My A2 V5 had the engine capacity down as 1385cc (IIRC), when the 1.4 TD is actually 1422cc. Never bothered changing the V5 and never had any problems as a result.
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This engine has the super little high reving 3 cylinder engine.
£6700 seems a bit on the high side but if the garage has to listen to moaning customer, they earn their money.
Are you trading in a car against this sticker price?
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No car to trade in, I'm just paying for the car.
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imho you are paying way over the odds. What was the sticker price?
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The sticker price is £7000.
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Hi nortones.
The first 3 VIN is: WVW
What does this mean?
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A little birdy tells me your car is a Volkswagen (!), made in Germany by the...Volkswagen Motor Division.
(Could be completely wrong but two sources back each other up)
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Have a look at the Vauxhall site where you can get a free Glass's valuation on this car. Around £5k looks about right so you may be paying a lot of money for a car you don't seem to be very happy about.
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On the face of it, nearly £7k for a 4 year old Polo, and not a high-spec one at that, is a lot.
A quick search on Autotrader brings up loads of Polo's, and for about £7k there was a 2004 Polo Twist diesel, with air con etc.
Not as cheap as I thought however....hold the value well these little Polo's!
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As Adam says: Wolfsburg, Germany.
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Talked to the garage today, and I insisted that in order for me to purchase the car, the paperwork documents need to put in place. The garage say they will get back to me on this Friday to see where things are.
Will wait and hear from them soon. I can't see the whole process of getting it corrected takes less than 4 weeks. In this case I will ask for my deposit back. Will the garage refuse to hand back the deposit you think?
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Given they're trying to sell you a car that doesn't exist, I sincerely doubt it.
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If I do ask for the money back, I will have to get someone else to go with me. When the salesman phone back to me today - the voice was very strong and abusive.
When I mentioned this to a colleague at work, he offered to support me to ask for the money back. I feel a bit better now at least I will have some support + this furums support.
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I think you should demand a refund of your deposit as the car they are selling you is not as advertised.
Then shop around for the 'Twist' model as you can loads more for your money!
VW sales people seem to have an attitude problem, just be firm and go in knowing exactley waht you want. If your happy with the deal your getting then go for it providing they address all your issues you have with the purchase...
Ps... Might have done you a favour, the sport spec is uncomfortable!
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Or consider something else, there are far better cars around than the Polo IMO. if you must have one then the 1.9 engine is far nicer than the rough noisy three pot.
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£6,700 for a small four year old car is too much!
You could get a BRAND NEW Toyota Aygo for that!
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Never liked Polos myself. A pretentious no-fun Fiesta-class motor really.
Apart from the Aygo and its two stablemates, surely you can get a large, comfortable, economical car in the prime of life for that sort of money?
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For that budget you'd get a lot of Focus too - probably only 3 years old. A much nicer car all round, and much more driver fun, plus it's the size of a Golf.
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