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Hmm, call me an old cynic, but the language used seems more than a little suspect for a genuine enquiry from someone in this country!. Particularly the use of the term limousine (which i believe is how a 'saloon' is referred to in some Eastern European countries), but also 'gdp' rather than £, the lpg mention (not that common any more in this country). And i think in the 3 years or so i have been on the forum, this may be the first time anyone thought the type of front suspension important enough to mention specifically!.
So advice, if this is a genuine enquiry, come clean and tell us where you are as i don't think it is the UK. If not, then a forum in your country would probably be a better place to ask.
Ultimately though, regardless of where you are, the answer to the question is almost certainly going to be Toyota, Honda or mazda depending on availability and price!.
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As above...I am somewhat suspicious of this post.
..and the OP largely answered his own question by his submission in a very closely related thread..!!!
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..and the OP largely answered his own question by his submission in a very closely related thread..!!!
Yeah, i just noticed that! :-)
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Hello my topic is genuine i am not born in the uk,
my english is not the best i use words which i like the most ,
i do preffer saloon / limousine and i do preffer independ/ double wishbone suspension compared to other type of suspension....... my topic is not a joke or gimmick ....
And i am old fashioned thats why i am driving petrol hungry cars on lpg, since on petrol they cost to run more,
i drive at least 10-15k, miles per year.
my current car/s have front and rear individual double wishbone suspension, so i hope to have same or simular in my future car./s
I live in the uk but i am not born here.
Mazda have a lot of issues they are made under ford ownership these days... toyota some of them are ok, like hybrids etcs but they are out of my budget.... and also their level of equipment for example or yaris hybrid is very mizerable. seats etcs...
Honda i am driving hondas my entire life, again level of equipment is very mizerable... in terms of seats comfort etcs...
i was thinking about old lexus ?
90s or 2000s or something ? Or some other brand..
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i do preffer saloon / limousine and i do preffer independ/ double wishbone suspension compared to other type of suspension....... my topic is not a joke or gimmick ....
All cars of the types you will be looking at have independant front suspension of some description, maybe not double wishbone, but unless you tend to drive in a race track, that is not really relevant. Also, as you have only had two cars, which you don't seem to like, how exactly do you know you prefer one type of suspension over another?.
Mazda have a lot of issues they are made under ford ownership these days...
Mazda only have problems with their diesel engines, and as you have stated you want petrol, that won't affect anything you choose. As far as i am aware, there are no other problems affecting their cars, and they are very relable. As for a Mazda being out of your budget, no idea where you have been looking and at what model, but you will easily get into a petrol Mazda 6 saloon for £5k, in fact you could get into one for £1k.
Seat comfort is not dependant on it having leather, in fact that has nothing to do with comfort. Also, how comfortable you find the seats on any car is a very personal thing. I may find the seats on one car comfortable, but someone else might not, you are just going to have to try them.
You say you want a very reliable car, but at the same time, you seem to want something with loads of gizmo's and gadgets. These two factors are not really compatible with a budget buy. Also, unless you can do the servicing yourself, all cars are going to need the attention of a mechanic at least once a year for servicing. How much else it needs will depend on things like its age, its complexity, and how well the car has been looked after. The fact that you want something with all the toys means that it is probably going to cost more to run as these things break through age/wear and tear.
Honda i am driving hondas my entire life, again level of equipment is very mizerable... in terms of seats comfort etcs...
As for your Honda comments, you say you have been driving honda's your entire life, but in your first post you say you have owned two cars?. Also, regarding equipment, that is just not true. Maybe regarding a basic spec Jazz, but certainly not a top spec Accord or even a Legend which will have the same level of equipment as any Lexus.
Edited by badbusdriver on 09/12/2019 at 12:12
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Welcome to the forum. Unfortunately there are probably no "extremely reliable" cars with lots of equipment at a £5k budget. Especially if you are considering cars up to 20 years old. All you can do is minimise the risk by buying cars that tend to be reliable. As others have said, Japanese cars at this budget are probably your best option.
Mazda petrols are reliable and while some question their rust resistance a Mazda 3 or 6 at £5k should get you a rust free car from about 2012. Avoid Mazda diesels of this age. I have just relaced my 2012 1.8 Civic and they are just within your budget and I found it very comfortable. Toyota are arguably the most reliable of the lot.
Have you looked on Autotrader? If you search there by your budget and other needs within an acceptable distance from home you will see what is available. From there you can narrow down your options and seek advice on this forum about any shortlist you can draw up.
Good luck.
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All I will say :
DO NOT BUY
Any German Car
Any French car
Any Mazda
Any diesel
The most reliable cars are: Lexus, Toyota and Honda...(overall)..
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Toyota Camry should have enough toys for you, but if you have an aversion to mechanics and can't or won't look after it properly yourself, then even one of those will peg out.
Lexus iS250 or GS300 will cost more to buy but will be equally reliable, unless you neglect it then it won't.
Very unlikely to find one with an LPG conversion, and Japanese engines can suffer valve seat recession on LPG, so a flashlube system is a must, and if you find a used car with flashlube there is no proof the previous owner has kept it topped up...we looked at a 2006 Outback H6 for my son with LPG already fitted, i found an empty flashlube bottle and the car missing slightly, which pointed to VSR already doing it's thing.
Edited by gordonbennet on 09/12/2019 at 14:23
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All I will say :
DO NOT BUY
Any German Car
Any French car
Any Mazda
Any diesel
The most reliable cars are: Lexus, Toyota and Honda...(overall)..
Why no Mazdas? Diesels (second-hand and/or for short trips), perhaps, non-rotary petrols, no issues. Mine's nearly 14 years old and still going strong, no engine issues throughout, wear and tear replacements (as other makes) only during its time.
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Most Mazdas arent reliable and they rust a lot, old reliable mazdas were mazda 626 or other 600 series or xedos ,
but they rust as well.
Civic is great option, unfortunately i am not sure how reliable are they since i think they were made in the uk i have friends with civics diesels and they suffer from dpf, turbos and other issues, petrol civics most parts are made from plastic so it wont be possible to fit an lpg.
So just to clarify, i have driven most of my life honda cars, and i found them with lots of issues my hondas were made in the uk FACTORY, for 10 years i replaced a lot of things ,starter several times, alternator several times, shocks , springs, electric door mirrors, windows, heaters - they were made by valeo , other issues like wiper motors etcs etcs... almost everything broke because its made in the uk - with european parts.......... brake calipers seized a lot of times etcs... and with 000 extras i am not happy. These was my personal cars - but i have friends with different cars so i have been driving porche 911, s-class , bmw 7 series, toyota prius hybrid 2015 year,
nissan murano, french and other brands of cars.... toyota yaris as well.Nissans as well premiera is last reliable to me.... but lacks extras..
i never driven lexus or infinity so i dont know how good are they...
i have driven vw group as well, i have driven diesel but i personally preffer either petrol or LPG since i drive lpg my entire life.
i also preffer manual transmission since they are more reliable...
i would love to own JAGUAR one day - i dont care if its auto or diesel or petrol because they have lots of options and extras unfortunately they brake a lot so for now i will skip them.
How i compare suspension- the most comfortable suspension i have been is air suspention in S-CLASS unfortunately i cannot afford to maintain that car and other issues with reliability so its a skip.
After that comes double wishbone i would say its ok - torsion beam and other cheap suspension they either rust or ride comford is terrible...
for example i have friend with civic with torsion bar and he even told me that his car doesnt ride good like my old accord. I dont go after race track i drive in town and sometimes outside town but rarely these days..
I read on honest john website and almost every new mazda have issues with Power steering abs/esp modules and other electronic stuff - ford have them as well volvo have them as well since they are made with same company manufacturer i guess....
costly repairs...
Most comfortable seats have been inside s-class, and i would say volvos.
I cannot do servicing- my self unfortunately.... no garage no tools nothing,, if i would get car without extras i better stay with my current ancient autos... and save more cash and get a fully electric one like tesla,
My 2 personal cars were honda yes, both made in the uk both with tons of issues may be if i manage to get one build in america or coupe it will be better but parts will be rare and extras not much... Honda legend is not offered in europe anymore , honda accord is not offered in europe anymore, compared to bmw 5 or 7 series they are behind or s -class or lexus.... i have friends with brand new accords and to tell u the truth i would not buy one also they have other issues such as petrol accords at 155hp - they eat their valves.... i am not sure if thats correct part or word... forums.hondabg.com/uploads/monthly_2018_05/IMG_201...g
here is picture of problematic parts...
legend is good car unfortunately only autos and at 3.5 LITRE petrol engine it makes it Very hungry for fuel specially for city drive...
so not good option if accord have not eaten their valves i would get probably 155hp manual.
I like
LEXUS GS series
Lexus gs 300 series for example
first generation have a lot of option even newer cars which doesnt have like ESP,Front heated window good leather seats, abs,tracktion control and much more extras... cruise control etcs.... for that funny money i am not sure how easy or cheap will be parts and service since not much people have seen or fixed these cars..
Edited by bladest on 09/12/2019 at 13:10
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Most Mazdas arent reliable and they rust a lot, old reliable mazdas were mazda 626 or
first generation have a lot of option even newer cars which doesnt have like ESP,Front heated window good leather seats, abs,tracktion control and much more extras... cruise control etcs....
many things like ESP, abs etc. that were options are now mandatory so are now standard.
Even the most reliable car can have failures especially depending upon how it is kept, maintained & driven. As has been mentioned, the more "toys" also means a higher chance of a failure at some point & the cost of fixing those on an older car that originally cost much much more than your budget to buy could come as a shock if/when they do. If you are trying to run a high-end car on a shoestring then a more basic spec. can actually be a benefit.
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The problem here for me is that you seem to already know what kind of car you want, so why ask?.
Your list of requirements is incredibly narrow, so your list of possible candidates is also going to be very small. What this means is that unless you are willing to travel the length and breadth of the country seeking out a specific car you will just have to settle for whatever you can find locally.
A couple of other points, you are ruling out the Honda legend on account of it being auto only, but say you like the Lexus GS300 which is also auto only!. Also, you mention the thirst of the Legend, but official figures suggest it is actually marginally more efficient than the GS300. Even if those figures are not 100% accurate, the difference between the two cars is unlikely to be more than a couple of percent either way.
Also, i'm fairly certain that rusting suspension components have nothing to do with what type of suspension it is, just how well the components are protected against rust. And on a car the age you are looking at, this could be the case with any. I'd also point out that having double wishbone suspension is no guarantee of a good ride. The MK7 Honda Accord for example, has a notoriously poor ride, especially on the bigger wheels of the 2.4 model. Tyre size and brand has at least as much to do with ride comfort as suspension setup, but ultimately it is down to how well the suspension has been designed along with what market the car is aimed at. Of current small hatchbacks, the one with (arguably) the most comfortable and serene ride is the Citroen C4 Cactus which uses McPherson struts at the font and a torsion beam at the rear (along with the new Hydraulic bump stops).
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BBD's post reminds me of the outstanding difference between two cars which we hired.
Holiday in Malta, which at the time had some of the worse road surfaces i've ever seen, hire cars weren't anything special, we were provided with a Hyundai Accent old curvy shape which had covered some 60k miles already, that car actually made our holiday because it simply soaked up the most appalling bumps shocks and ridges in the roads, amazing.
Ireland maybe 10 years ago, hired a new Focus sat on stupid wheels, what a complete and utter pile of rubbish, probably the worse ride quality i've ever had the misfortune to experience, the rest of the car was nothing to shout about either, talk about overhyped, would have swapped it in an instant for that old Hyundai.
The car the OP is looking for no longer exists, lots of makers had them in the range during the 90's when car design peaked, but those cars lasted too long and could be fixed by any competent garage, they won't make that mistake again.
As for parts and repair prices if you want an executive car with all the toys, when its 10 or 15 years old the cost to fix will still be in proportion to its cost when new, this is why old Jaguars 7 series Beemers and S class Mercs you can't give away.
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To have replaced starters and alternators several times in the two Hondas you must be very unlucky or running very old cars and repairing with second hand parts or by poor mechanics.
You seem to have a lot of information and some very fixed views that will rule out many of the usual recommendations.
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My views are not fixed thats why i am here,
i also have not choosen car yet because a lot of cars can be candidates, thats why i am here : )
7 series,s-class,jaguars i dont want to risk because their prices for parts new or used are crazy money , also to work on them is also crazy people charge a lot.... and a lot of work needs to be done so they are ruled out, i dont know how easy is to work on lexus ,
About lexus i only mentioned it ,
i dont claim that honda legend is bad car no its great unfortunately engine is very big and i drive like 200-300 miles each week in city driving only, in order to enjoy the car i need to drive it outside town, to be stuck in traffic it doesnt matter if u have jaguar or s-class or vw golf you are still stuck and you wait....
I agree that tyres wheels etcs are extremely important i do preffer to use smaller wheels, my current cars use 15 inch alloy or steel wheels, and i am happy i have friends who are crazy about wheels and they use 16/17 etcs but their ride quality is very poor, their speedo shows wrong data etcs...
French CARS i will avoid because i had in my family few people who owned french cars and for 20 years and they get rid of them right now they drive toyota and japanese cars only, french cars are crap sorry if someone is offended ,peugeout renault citroen i dont want to try because i dont want to repeat mistakes of my very close relatives...
french cars have very good ride quality very good seats more comfortable compared to japanese but reliabitlity is huge issue...
I like toyota Camry unfortunately they are too pricey - and most of them autos....
so i am not sure if its deserve the money i can go with rav4 or other japanese cars i think they will worth more the money than this hyped camry,
also its true that japanese suffer from valve ressesion from lpg :(
thats why its so confusing should i go to diesel , which diesel is good these days?
for my 30 years old japanese car i already changed cylinder head so... i know the drill.
Is diesel a good deal - i can see civic diesel 1.6 prices are going down,
i can either wait or spend more money - honda claim engine is never serviceble exept for the oil and filters u never change the chains etcs i dont know if this is a lie or not ?
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my english is not the best i use words which i like the most ,
I do that too, but it does annoy some people.
Yours are at least in the dictionary.
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my english is not the best i use words which i like the most ,
I do that too, but it does annoy some people.
Yours are at least in the dictionary.
The BBC DALEK was EXTERMELY reliable (not the OP, a quoter), but I havn't seen one of them for many years.
Here in Taiwan an oldish Nissan Cefiro might have a shot at meeting some the criteria, but of course no guarantees.
", if i would get car without extras i better stay with my current ancient autos... ,"
GOOD PLAN. Works for me, though I do fiddle with them quite a lot.
If you don't have any tools, perhaps you should consider buying some? Quite cheap nowadays.
You could think of them as extras.
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Hi i recently have 2 surgeries,
due to my condition
i dont plan to make any current or future car repairs .
Thats why i want to make my visits to service mechanics as minimum as possible because they charge me arm and leg for my old cars. And they always complain too much work too hard etcs etcs....
so they are not happy from their job..
i also need to wait several months or weeks in order normal service center to accept me....... just for quick diagnostic whats broken etcs... and i am get tyred of all of that so i am driving my car broken these days...
a lot of issues but, to fix them + rust it will cost me more than the whole car it self...
so i dont want tools :) and i dont plan getting some.
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We all want a car that dosen't need much spending on it. you have to be lucky as almost any car can be a wallet breaker.
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