Toad,
When I last had a glimpse in the mirror it was chocca, I'm not in the habit of frustrating other drivers for a laugh, I will move for HGVs, the majority give you a little time to get yourself sorted and move, this fella was the impatient type.
Ellis
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Be wary overtaking large vans and HGV's for there are blind spots in their rear view side mirrors.
This is generally when in the rear offside quarter.
Give them a chance to spot you before you pull alongside.
DtD you know what I mean.
DVD.
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With respect there is more to it than this in my experience. THe old presumption that truckers were a polite helpful breed of road users is a thing of the past. See my post on the M25 thread of HJ's. Many of the ones that hassled me had non UK license plates.
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Yes, I have had experience of impatient HGVs and often vans. Despite my approaching to overtake, on a three-lane road, at a fairly high speed differential, vans and HGVs will often appear to wait until you have got quire close then pull out in front of you to overtake, despite there being no vehicle behing me for a long way - and then take ages to creep past what they are overtaking - why don't they wait for a few more seconds. Their impatient pulling out of sideroads is also a regular thing. sorry to single out a particular type of culprit, but this is my experience.
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why don\'t they wait for a few more seconds.
Their impatient pulling out of sideroads is also a regular thing.
Why can\'t you wait for a few more seconds?
No matter whether I\'m in my cab, my van or my lorry, I know I\'m not driving the fastest vehicle on the road, or the hardest accelerating one. (Octavia SDi- 19sec to 60mph, and that\'s the fastest of the three!) It\'s also usually a timed delivery that I\'m making, so if I get baulked by an inconsiderate car driver it\'s going to take me 5 minutes to build up momentum again. Cars can easily gain or lose 20mph in a few seconds, lorries cannot.
Most lorries these days are also fitted with cruise control, this helps economy. If you work in a fleet of 10 or 20 drivers and you consistently take 20 minutes longer than the others to travel the same run, whilst returning 7mpg instead of 8.5mpg, the excuse that you\'re trying not to annoy cars on the motorway isn\'t going to wash.
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Is the swear filter broken again?
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Is the swear filter broken again?
For some reason it's always ignored the 4 letter word that's the equivalent meaning for urine.
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DD & DTD,
didn't notice the urine word, was it one of you ? :O
HF
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DD & DTD, didn't notice the urine word, was it one of you ?
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=10315&...t
3rd paragragh of Ellis's post. Well I guess that's what DTD was refering to?
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TY, DD,
yeah I'm sure this is what DTD meant.
HF
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I always remember the slogan I saw written on the back of a lorry:
If you can't see my mirrors, I can't see you!
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"This is generally when in the rear offside quarter."
And alongside the cab, I presume, unless they look down. Which might work for the driver side but not the passenger side.
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Maybe I've got my beer goggles on or maybe I'm looking at life through that rose-tinted rear view mirror again -- shoot me down if that's so -- but I have driven all over the USA and I've seen tons (appropriate metaphor) of bad driving, but those big ole Macks and Kenworth 18 wheelers never seem to be driven the way I'm talking.
I love that blast on the air horn they give you when you rock past on your Harley, they usually give you space and appreciate your difficulties in poor weather conditions.
I just say again every driving experience I had last month in UK on the motorways was intensely nerve-wracking and truck behavior had a lot to do with that. I don't know why. Maybe their comp and ben packages are based on journey time, or maybe they get p***ed because their speed is limited, or maybe their company policies are onerous or their old lady's got PMS or something.
I tried to give them space and let them move over when they wanted to. Much of the hassling I got was patently deliberate.
Maybe next time I'll take a Hummer with a cruise missile on the roof.... :-)
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Growler
Can I have a drive of the Hummer? Please, please, please!!!!
:o)
Terry
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>>And alongside the cab, I presume, unless they look down. Which might work for the driver side but not the passenger side.
There is a mirror fixed to the top of the passenger door which is directed straight down to overcome this blind spot. When I used to drive juggernaughts I found very little problem with blind spots on the offside if one was observant. The nearside is a different matter, and if a car is moving up the nearside of an LGV the LGV driver will not see it as there is a bad blind spot about halfway along. If you look you may see a cluster of three mirrors on the nearside of an LGV to try and overcome this, it doesn't. So beware if you are trying to undertake on the nearside, you might get a nasty surprise when/if the LGV returns to the nearside lane. Basic rule of thumb give LGVs plenty of space, especially on roundabouts! Do not assume that you can be seen!
VD5D.
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Last year, never having driven anything much bigger than an LWB Transit, I had to hire a seven tonner for a day of two while moving house, and boy, was that an education !!!
Now I usually give anything bigger than me MUCH more room than I used to.
I have to grow old - but I don't have to grow up
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Just to throw another point in here, please all watch out when overtaking foreign registered HGVs. LHD trucks have a blindspot alongside and forward of the cab on RHS. If you are overtaking, they could check their mirrors, see a *clear* road and pull out, catching your rear N/S and spinning you across the front of the truck.
Happens an awful lot on the M20 and near other major ports.
No Dosh ** Quick, talk motoring, Mark's coming! **
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To follow on from No Dosh..
We are all pedestrians when out of our cars so don't forget that RHD trucks have a blind spot in front of the cab on the LHS. So think just as you are about to step out in front of that heavy waiting at a pedestrian crossing and give him and yourself a bit more room.
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If truck mirrors were designed correctly, there wouldn't be blind spots.
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>>If truck mirrors were designed correctly, there wouldn't be blind spots.
How does one design a mirror that can enable one to see through a 40' trailer? There is always going to be blind spots on vehicles of that size. Unless some sort of cctv system is used but even that could distract the driver. Other drivers just need to be careful around LGVs it's as simple as that. It's called defensive driving I believe, and a good thing to learn.
VD5D
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vovlo5dud wrote:
">How does one design a mirror that can enable one to see through a 40' trailer?<"
What's that got to do with not spotting cars when they are already half way past?
"> was half way along an HGV trailer this morning<"
or blind spots in front of the cab?
">RHD trucks have a blind spot in front of the cab on the LHS.<"
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People make mistakes. The same thing happened to me 2 weeks ago at 70mph on the M4 near Cardiff. It was a young girl in a small hatch. I was directly by the side of her and she pulled out nearly pushing me into the central reservation.
According to my passenger she checked her door mirror but I was obviously too far forward to show up. No point getting upset about it she obviously just made a mistake. I could tell she was more upset about it than me.
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or blind spots in front of the cab? ">RHD trucks have a blind spot in front of the cab on the LHS.<" ?
Clearly questioned by someone who has never driven a truck.
True fatal accident.
Old lady set off to cross a pedestrian crossing in front of a HGV. She was small and slow. Truck set off running her over with extremely unfortunate results.
One would think the truck driver would have been hung drawn and quartered.
Actually the accident investigation proved conclusively that the driver could not possibly have seen the old lady.
ie Blind spot in front of the cab LHS. Could be cured either by fitting a mirror above the windscreen looking down, or having a clear panel between the bottom of the screen and what might be called the grille. You do in fact see the latter on some vehicles nowadays.
comprende?
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If you have the ideas Micky , don't just sit there , get on and design a totally effective mirror system . A lot of clever people have tried and they haven't quite succeeded yet !
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Deejay wrote;
"> If you have the ideas Micky , don't just sit there , get on and design a totally effective mirror system <"
No problem ............. are you going to pay me?
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Personally Micky , no , but I can think of a number of multi-national truck manufacturers who might if you succeed .Good luck!
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Deejay wrote:
">Personally Micky , no ,<"
So there's probably no money in it then?
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Agree with the blind spot problems with lorries, but I can't help feeling (like Growler) that with some truckers it's just sheer b*****-mindedness. About a year ago someone started a thread on this forum asking if he had witnessed the record for slow overtaking of one truck by another - 17 miles on a dual carriageway in S. Scotland!
Pat
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To get to my village I have to slow down to take a sharp turn off the A1 dual carriageway, this happens to be downhill And I have had some terrifying moments if there happens to be a lorry behind me as they neither want to slow down nor pull out into the outside lane and sometimes get to within a few feet of me as I turn off.
Hate to imagine what it would be like for me if they were allowed to go any faster!.
Mal.
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>respect truckers and ANTICIPATE their needs<
Hear Hear to that HJ. We should also remember no one ever wins an argument with a 38tonner. (Not in a car anyway)
Happy Motoring Phil I
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>respect truckers and ANTICIPATE their needs< Hear Hear to that HJ. We should also remember no one ever wins an argument with a 38tonner. (Not in a car anyway) Happy Motoring Phil I
Yes and the losers are usually killed!
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There are undoubtedly some inconsiderate HGV drivers but the vast majority are v. good at their job. I accept most of the points made above. However, one must sympathise with ANYONE who earns a living by driving on British roads (esp. motorways) at the moment - it must be incredibly frustrating for much of the time. I am just thankful that I don't and usually when I am travelling a few minutes either way doesn't make much difference. Perhaps we should all be a little more patient and sympathetic!
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I concede HJ's point but I know when a trucker is bullying me and when he's asking for space. I got plenty of the former on that little trip I made a few weeks back.
Of course if your govt got your rail system to work maybe that would take care of some of the freight issues...thenI s'pose we'd have the truckers union whinging......
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What's the matter Growly ................ can't live with the "cut and thrust" of UK roads these days?
;-)
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HGV's have two throttle settings fully to the floor or off,and if you dare cause the driver to think otherwise watch out.
chris
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I came over the Thelwall Viaduct the other day and faced one mile of nose to tail lorries, who weren't going to make any room for drivers wanting the M56. Life is a two-way street, if truckers want us to think of them then we need the same treatment from them.
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Hmmm.... reminds me of the two wheeled maniacs thread.
Steve.
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Hmmm.... reminds me of the two wheeled maniacs thread.
Was thinking that myself.
Can't see it reaching 130 odd posts without some judicious post deleting though.
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These are my own opinions, and not necessarily those of all Toads.
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We'll have to see about that!
Just to add more postings, I still think that the Honda Jazz advert sums it all up!
Steve.
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Never seen the Honda Jazz ad. what's it all about? or do have to watch it.
Wife has one so I'd be interested.
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Never seen the Honda Jazz ad. what's it all about? or do have to watch it.
click on pecking order to download
www.honda.co.uk/multimedia/index.html
basically to precis
"cyclists hate pedestrians
cars hate cyclists
lorries hate everyone
everyone despises tractors
aren't we all just trying to get somewhere"
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Another thread which has run its natural course, I think.
Thank you.
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