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Tue 25 Jul 2017 13:50

Used petrol car prices - Wayne Dibbley

Has anyone noticed used dealers taking advantage of the bad diesel press and increasing the price of petrol cars (particularly larger vehicles)?

Last year I was toying with the idea of buying a Mazda CX5 petrol, never got arount to it and now they are a grand more for same age/spec.

It's almost worth buying diesel agin and putting up with reliability issues.

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Tue 25 Jul 2017 14:16

Used petrol car prices - Stanb Sevento

Cant say I have noticed the prices but I have noticed how few under 4 year old pertol models are up for sale. Both go together really.

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Tue 25 Jul 2017 16:41

Used petrol car prices - Wayne Dibbley

To give you an idea, there was a 2014 CX5 on at £13650 with a dealer on Autotrader. It disappeared, presumably sold then reappeared at £14650!

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Tue 25 Jul 2017 15:41

Used petrol car prices - FP

Having recently bought a Mazda CX-5 petrol and having been looking for some time, I can't say I noticed an increase in prices. However, the petrol versions are a bit thin on the ground and I found the pricing is a bit inconsistent. Obviously dealers will make as much money as they can, but there seems no particular reason for the following discrepancy.

I test-drove a low-spec, low mileage, top-condition 14-reg example in a boring dark blue in SE London. The dealer wouldn't shift on price - simply said he'd ask his manager, but couldn't do so straight away.

Then a top-of-the-range, low mileage, top-condition 14-reg example in Soul Red came up for virtually the same price local to me. The dealer agreed a price cut in exchange for dropping the one-year breakdown cover, which I didn't want anyway.

The difference in price between a standard spec car and the Sport Nav model should have been pretty wide, I would have thought. I got a full tank of fuel thrown in as well.

My suggestion to Wayne is that he keeps looking. I can't think he really believes buying a Mazda diesel is worth it.

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Tue 25 Jul 2017 16:03

Used petrol car prices - skidpan

Last year I was toying with the idea of buying a Mazda CX5 petrol

Before we ordered the Skoda we wanted to try the CX5 petrol. Having found the 6 petrol underwealming to say the least I did not expect miracles but without trying you never know. We would have been buying new but broker prices and PCP deals on the outgoing model were stunning as of September/October and kit in the lowest spec model was better than any similar motor.

Went to the local Mazda emporium who told me they had never sold a petrol and didn't have one in stock. Suggested I try Autotrader to find a used one to try and then return. So I went home and searched with 50 miles. Top of the list was a 2 year old one with 15,000 miles at the dealer that I had just visited. rang them up and confirmed it existed but could not be bothered to go back.

In retrospect I made the correct decision.

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Tue 25 Jul 2017 18:48

Used petrol car prices - FP

"Before we ordered the Skoda we wanted to try the CX5 petrol. Having found the 6 petrol underwealming to say the least I did not expect miracles but without trying you never know."

The CX-5 petrol is no ball of fire, but I find the performance quite adequate, including plenty of willingness to press on in sixth gear at motorway speeds.

However, I'm sure you made the right decision for your needs.

Edited by FP on 25/07/2017 at 18:49

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Wed 26 Jul 2017 09:51

Used petrol car prices - skidpan

However, I'm sure you made the right decision for your needs.

The most annoying aspect of Mazda specs is the spare wheel. They wanted over £400 for a space saver on both the 6 and the CX5. Seem to remember this would reduce boot space as well.

Skoda wanted £100 for a space saver or £100 for what they refer to as a "temporary spare" (in our Superb its a propper 205 55 16 on a 6.5 x 16 steel rim) both of which fit under the boot floor with no loss of space.

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Wed 26 Jul 2017 10:06

Used petrol car prices - RT

However, I'm sure you made the right decision for your needs.

The most annoying aspect of Mazda specs is the spare wheel. They wanted over £400 for a space saver on both the 6 and the CX5. Seem to remember this would reduce boot space as well.

Skoda wanted £100 for a space saver or £100 for what they refer to as a "temporary spare" (in our Superb its a propper 205 55 16 on a 6.5 x 16 steel rim) both of which fit under the boot floor with no loss of space.

Skoda refer to the 205/55 R16 spare as a "temporary spare" as it can be used on Octavia/Superb with 16/17/18" rims as they're all the same overall diameter - but if the standard rims are 17/18" it's use is restricted as it's a different size.

Just bought a 205/55 R16 spare for my son's Octavia SE-L which is on 16" rims as standard so the yellow 50 stickers can be removed, but not if he had 17/18".

The other Skoda option is a skinny at 125 section so has to be restricted.

Edited by RT on 26/07/2017 at 10:08

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Wed 26 Jul 2017 10:11

Used petrol car prices - skidpan

Skoda refer to the 205/55 R16 spare as a "temporary spare" as it can be used on Octavia/Superb with 16/17/18" rims as they're all the same overall diameter - but if the standard rims are 17/18" it's use is restricted as it's a different size.

Confused with this. Our car has 215 55 17 tyres which are 668.3 diameter. The 205 55 16 is 631 9 diameter.

So its not the same diameter as the road wheels so why do you say that its the same in one part of your post put its different in another.

Edited by skidpan on 26/07/2017 at 10:11

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Wed 26 Jul 2017 10:21

Used petrol car prices - RT

Skoda refer to the 205/55 R16 spare as a "temporary spare" as it can be used on Octavia/Superb with 16/17/18" rims as they're all the same overall diameter - but if the standard rims are 17/18" it's use is restricted as it's a different size.

Confused with this. Our car has 215 55 17 tyres which are 668.3 diameter. The 205 55 16 is 631 9 diameter.

So its not the same diameter as the road wheels so why do you say that its the same in one part of your post put its different in another.

Space-savers, temporary and "skinnys" are usually the same overall diameter as the road wheels - to avoid damaging differentials or 4wd systems.

I can't explain why your Superb gets a small diameter spare, other than a bigger one won't fit the storage well - I suggest you check it with Skoda UK and don't use that spare on a driven axle.

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Wed 26 Jul 2017 11:01

Used petrol car prices - skidpan

Space-savers, temporary and "skinnys" are usually the same overall diameter as the road wheels - to avoid damaging differentials or 4wd systems.

Had skinny spares on a few cars and they have always been a smaller diameter than the road wheels.

Never had a 4 wd drive and never will so no worries there. Differentials are designed to allow different wheel rotations so no issue there but the temp spare should always be put on the rear of a front wheel drive car..

I can't explain why your Superb gets a small diameter spare, other than a bigger one won't fit the storage well - I suggest you check it with Skoda UK and don't use that spare on a driven axle.

Its the tyre listed in the brochure and the manual so no issues. For the record a bigger diameter tyre would fit in the wheel well but a wider tyre would raise the boot floor. I suspect its simply a matter of using parts that the factory carries for other models/specs of car. The 205 55 16 tyre on a 16" wheel is the same wheel/tyre combination they fit to Octavias thus they have a load in stock. A 205 65 16 spare would be very close to the 215 55 17 road tyres in diameter but in reality how many owners bother specifying a spare (glue is standard) which would almost certainly result in the buyers paying more.

But every manual I have ever read intructs you to fit the skinny spare wheel on the rear of a front wheel drive car and Skoda specify that in their manual.

I am more than happy.

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Wed 26 Jul 2017 13:09

Used petrol car prices - Avant

"But every manual I have ever read intructs you to fit the skinny spare wheel on the rear of a front wheel drive car and Skoda specify that in their manual."

I'm sure they do - to cover themselves apart from anything else, and no doubt it's safer to do that. But if you have a puncture in a front tyre, I don't think many of us are going to perform however many wheel changes it would take (with a normal car jack only lifting one corner at a time) to get the space-saver on to a rear wheel.

The brain tends to atrophy even thinking about it, but I think it would be four wheel-changes, including temporarily putting the punctured front tyre on to the rear.

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Wed 26 Jul 2017 13:15

Used petrol car prices - Manatee

Two. Don't start by taking off the punctured front wheel!

1. Put pram wheel on in place of an un-punctured rear

2. Put un-punctured rear wheel on in place of punctured front.

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Wed 26 Jul 2017 14:07

Used petrol car prices - Avant

You're quite right! Still one more than I'd want to do on a cold wet night.

Last time I had a puncture, on one of the Octavias, I drove 100 miles with the space-saver on the front: no discernible effect on the sure-footed Skoda.

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Wed 26 Jul 2017 15:06

Used petrol car prices - Manatee

The Outlander has a large pram wheel spare. I think it's the same diameter as the main wheels but much narrower and rounded, like a motorcycle tyre.

I can't remember what the Manuel says to be honest. But I'd be inclined to put it on the front if I had a puncture while towing a 1200Kg caravan.

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Wed 26 Jul 2017 15:50

Used petrol car prices - skidpan

We had a 2002 Mondeo that came with a full size spare as standard. The tyre was exactly the same size, load and speed rating as the other 4 (all 5 were Pirelli P5000) and the wheel was exactly the same size and offset. The wheel bolt recess's had the same shape seat cut on the steel and alloys but the wheel had a 50 mph sticker on it. I queried with the dealer why this was and was told that the wheel was manufactured to a light weight design and had a lower speed/load capacity and should only be used at the sticker speed.

Solution on that car was simple, I bought a new unmarked alloy off an identical car from the local scrappy (rear wheel off a car that had been damaged by an engine fire), put our new tyre on the alloy and the used tyre off the alloy on the steel and placed alloy in the boot. I then sold the steel wheel with good tyre on e-bay for more than I had paid for the alloy.

If only it were that simple today.

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Wed 26 Jul 2017 23:57

Used petrol car prices - Smileyman

The most annoying aspect of Mazda specs is the spare wheel.

Think of it this way, even if you do get a space saver spare, where would you put the punctured wheel? Perhaps in the boot, if you have space (remember the space saver would take up less space than the original will do), or inside the passenger cabin - and what about if there are 5 of you in the car and the boot is full - who will be the lucky passenger with a dirty spare wheel under their feet?

Why the problem - well, not only have Mazda done away with the spare wheel, they have abolished the wheel well too, it's a double whammy from Mazda. Pity, they are good cars, should not have to deal with such nonesense.

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Thu 27 Jul 2017 13:10

Used petrol car prices - Wayne Dibbley

Errrrr what have spare wheels got to do with used petrol car prices?

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Thu 27 Jul 2017 15:57

Used petrol car prices - Avant

Don't worry - it's called 'thread drift' and it happens sometimes. Think of a forum as a virtual conversation.

It's open to anyone to bring the thread back to the original topic if they want to.

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Thu 27 Jul 2017 17:43

Used petrol car prices - Wayne Dibbley

Thanks Avant

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Thu 27 Jul 2017 19:16

Used petrol car prices - skidpan

Errrrr what have spare wheels got to do with used petrol car prices?

Well you posted that you were interested in a Mazda CX5.

I posted to point out that the spare wheel price was stupid and took away boot space. Thought you may find the info helpful.

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