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A well serviced 2.2 Merc Diesel should run for 400k miles without serious problem, but it must be serviced well, chap i know who runs E220 Diesels on private hire sells them at over 400k still going strong, but he uses common sense servicing, eg half what the maker or the car might be suggesting.
Don't forget to service the gearbox either, i have no idea of the maker's current service requirements, but if you get the gearbox oil changed at 40/50k then there is every chance the box will still be fine at 400k too.
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BIL likes big Mercedes.. He buys 100k ones with high miles - FROM a Mercedes dealer AND with a proper Mercedes warranty.
His last one is still going strong but the warranty paid for new brake master cylinder and various elctronic parts costing £2.5k.
Caveat emptor. But great cars - it was a 320CDI..Aproper E class..
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I'd go for looks and performance over ride quality! It's the same with Beemers and m sport and audis with s line. They are the most popular specs
There is absolutely zero 'performance' advantage over the SE model.
You are paying extra for different bumpers, harder (not better, but harder) suspension, bigger wheels (which require more expensive tyres, and wear out those expensive tyres faster), and 'sporty' seats.
The only one of those that give any benefit is the seats - they're generally more supportive.
Now, the real thing to think about :
The cost of running, servicing and maintaining a car is NOT related to the price YOU paid for it, but it's price when new.
So, answer this question : can you afford to run, service and repair a £40,000 car ?
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The se doesn't have sport mode option surely? Put simply yes I can afford to run a £40k car thanks for your input
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The se doesn't have sport mode option surely? Put simply yes I can afford to run a £40k car thanks for your input
And yet it's only a couple of months ago you bought a 320d MSport on a 14 plate ...
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=116825
And only 9 days ago you were asking on a thread about what sort of cleaner to use on your BMW 403M 19" wheels
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=117653
'Sport mode' doesn't give any extra power. It just makes the throttle input more sensitive, the same as it does in your BMW. Just as 'eco' (or eco pro, as you'd know from your BMW) dulls the throttle input.
In terms of wanting performance, the E220Cdi has a 0-60 of 8.7, top of 142. The 320d Tourer you currently have has a 0-60 of 7.8, and a top speed of 142.
So you want 'performance', but you're looking at a car that does 0-60 a second slower, is bigger, heavier, less agile ...
Makes perfect sense, doesn't it
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Yea rob Jp I am looking at purchasing another car , it is not that strange! I think you need to spend a little less time in here and rather than tracking how many posts people have made GET A LIFE!
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But it's reasonable, Nathan, on a forum like this for us to be interested in why you want to swap your 3-series for something that's slower and likely to be less comfortable.
Please don't be rude to people who respond to your request for advice just because they tell you something you don't want to hear.
Edited by Avant on 25/02/2017 at 23:23
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I am getting bored by this now I'm purchasing another car not swapping! My post has nothing to do with being less comfortable and slower I want to know about reliability
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I am getting bored by this now I'm purchasing another car not swapping! My post has nothing to do with being less comfortable and slower I want to know about reliability
In which case, the very first reply gave you all the information available on this site.
However, if you're thinking of running two 'premium brand' cars that are 3-4 years old, then you'd better have very deep pockets. Esepcially if one of them has done 80-100k miles, because it means big bills on the horizon.
And you say that your question has nothing to do with being slower, but then go on about wanting to go for 'looks and performance', and the 'sport mode'.
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In my town Northampton the Mercedes E and C class has become the car of choice for taxi drivers with mile ages over 300k quite common.
Really surprised about this considering the suitability of the Prius to this kind of use. But the accessibility of a Merc specialist next to the taxi company may have something to do with this.
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Mercedes taxis are common in Europe, but the real reason is that they/taxi drivers get great finance deals to do so.Even the Norwegians ( Norwegians are very tight with money) do it.
A £40-50k car is still a £40-50k car come service/repair time, and MB service costs are very high. You have to pay for that nice building and your coffee remember.
As HJ has said many times, modern cars are built for approx 7 years/100-120k miles, then you have a money pitt.
A friend of mine drove a high mileage MB e class. One day it stopped and would not go- it needed a new gearbox, more than the value of the car. Needless to say he scrapped it and bought a nearly new Vauxhall with warranty. No more very expensive cars for him, he learned his lesson.
Edited by sandy56 on 26/02/2017 at 08:44
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As HJ has said many times, modern cars are built for approx 7 years/100-120k miles, then you have a money pitt.
Then we've come no further than the products of the 70's. I think that is a very generalised view, and one believed by people who buy new and keep short term. It depends on how that car has been looked after and it's engineering, otherwise there wouldn't be thousands of people running around in 10+ year old cars with over 200k. They can't all be money pits, unless you consider that buying a few suspension bushes later in the cars life will mean the car is on it's last legs.
My car is 12 years old, 107k. In the last four years I've replaced the radiator and a rear exhaust box, as well as the usual servicing and consumables. No big deal.
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Running older cars can be very cost effective, that has always been the case, the obvious main saving is depreciation but you can easily spend that saving in repairs and maintenance unless you do those jobs yourself, older cars can be a money pit for those not mechanically minded.
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The cost of running, servicing and maintaining a car is NOT related to the price YOU paid for it, but it's price when new.
So, answer this question : can you afford to run, service and repair a £40,000 car ?
Is this really true? I've heard it said a few times, but I've not found it to be the case myself.
My last car was a 2000 year Jaguar S-Type 3.0 petrol auto. Apart from some design issues like having to remove the inlet manifold to change the plugs on one bank, I never found it difficult to work on. Loads of spare parts available from online breakers. The biggest problem I had was a gearbox problem that was caused by a faulty solenoid and I had fixed by a local automatic gearbox specialist for about 350.
I've had Mercedes before (although it was a 2.4 petrol W202 elegance, so nothing like an AMG). That wasn't particularly costly either.
I'm currently running a 2003 year Jaguar Super V8. 4.2 litre petrol auto. A few electrical niggles, but the engine and transmission are fine and I can live without the faulty stuff like cruise and parking sensors. If anything, the V8 looks easier to work on than my old V6 as it's more symmetrical. And the gearbox is a fairly well known ZF unit, which my local automatic gearbox specialists can handle.
Perhaps I've been lucky that these are all fairly old cars, and fairly basic mechanically.
My things to look for when buying an old second hand car are:
1. Is there an active and lively forum?
2. What is the spare parts availability like?
3. Can my local mechanic work on the engine?
4. Can my local automatic gearbox place work on the gearbox?
I've also got a 2007 year Honda CRV 2.0 petrol auto, which is no cheaper to maintain than any other car, despite being no ball of fire.
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It's not completely true, but it is a pretty good guide.
As you yourself say with your car, you "never found it difficult to work on".
For people not mechanically minded and capable of doing those jobs themselves, those same cars will vary from 'quite expensive' to 'ruinously expensive' to get a garage to service / repair.
People constantly underestimate how much cars cost to repair and maintain, either in time (if they're doing the jobs themselves) and money, or just plain money (if a garage is doing all the work).
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People like me would not attempt to service and repair a car. It would probably be a complete bodge - even if I had the strength and dexterity to do the job. In my opinion, the majority of motorists try to find a trusted garage and pay for the work to be done to a safe standard. As has been pointed out, expensive cars are expensive to maintain. If they don't safety is put at risk
May I also respectfully thank Avant for admonishing the ill mannered poster who I suspect probably drives a beaten up old car anyhow and just reads and dreams. People who are willing to share their knowledge and understanding deserve thanks not rudeness ( including the times when they say what you don't really want to hear )
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May I also respectfully thank Avant for admonishing the ill mannered poster who I suspect probably drives a beaten up old car anyhow and just reads and dreams. People who are willing to share their knowledge and understanding deserve thanks not rudeness ( including the times when they say what you don't really want to hear )
Agree with every word Scott. Where's that like button when you need it?
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May I also respectfully thank Avant for admonishing the ill mannered poster who I suspect probably drives a beaten up old car anyhow and just reads and dreams.
You do wonder, don't you. NAthan smith first posted in August last year, asking what people though on a PCP on a Passat.
Two days later, he was considering a 5 series or A6 Avant.
Then an E class a few weeks after that
A month later, he went to considering an A6 or E class.
A month after that, he bought a 320d tourer. A few questions about the wheels, staggered tyre setup, and driving abroad with the Xenon lights followed.
So he may well have actually bought that car, or a friend has bought it
Two weeks on again, and he's looking at an E class - not as a replacement (so he says), but as ANOTHER car !
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Its clear to me the OP is either a lair or an idiot. Possibly both.
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I did "look" and research a lot of cars and yes I do drive a 320 d tourer m sport but I am looking at purchasing Mercedes e class soon. So thanks for this is your life rob Jp.
I suspect you are a lonely middle aged man , who drives a Mondeo and reads and believes everything in the Dail Mail every day. But thanks to everyone else for their valid and related comments
Edited by NAthan smith on 28/02/2017 at 18:59
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Nathan, you didn't make it clear at first that this was an additional car, so it's not surprising that you were misunderstood.
There are too many, quite needless, personal insults in this thread. Locked.
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