Good morning all!
I own a HONDA CIVIC 1.6 SE VTEC (Y-REG 2001) and the red 'SRS' warning light has come on and will not go out.
Have referred to owners manual which states I should seek advice of Honda dealer!!
Have done this, but have been told that a technician needs to'read'for the fault code with some very expensive equipment....and Honda wants to charge me nearly £40 for the privilege, before any subsequent repair costs!!
My friendly mechanic says this can be easily avoided by simply attaching a piece of wire to 2 particular sockets on the 16 - pin scart socket below the dash area.
However, upon his referring to an 'Autodata' package, it mentions socket numbers 4 and 9......but this seems to be a misprint as socket 9 has no connection in it.
Can anyone PLEASE HELP ME on this one - to clarify, the scart socket has 16 pins/sockets in total, 8 on the top row and 8 on the bottom row.
Needless to say, my local Honda dealership are less than forthcoming in helping!!
Many thanks in anticipation!!!!
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Thanks for that Dave!
Unfortunately though, on checking out the links you gave me they only refer to a 2 pin socket.
The one I have on mine is a 16 pin scart-like socket.
My mechanic is an ex-Honda chap, but he says that when the laws changed in 2001 all new cars then had to be fitted with this 16-pin socket.
Hope you can help further
Cheers,
Andy
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Can anyone PLEASE help me further on this one??
Many thanks!!!
Andy
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Your 16 pin "scart" plug is actually an OBD2 (sometinmes called an OBD!!) plug. Any garage should now have an OBD reader. OBD2 compliant cars usually dont have any "short these pins and count the bleeps" tricks.
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Thanks for your help!
The ex-Honda chap tried using a 'Snap-On' device but it could not give any info re Hondas as he said that Hondas are now self-diagnosing.
He contacted another diagnostics guy who said that he could only read for 'ABS' and 'Engine' fault codes.
Re the use of wire to 'short the pins', his 'Autodata' system showed him an image of the OBD and it indicated that he should connect the fourth socket on the top row of 8 with the first socket of the bottom row of 8, however, the latter socket did not have a metal connection in it.
He said he could not risk 'process of elimination' on other sockets as this could easily damage the ECU.
Any thoughts please?
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Unfortunately though, on checking out the links you gave me they only refer to a 2 pin socket. The one I have on mine is a 16 pin scart-like socket.
I'm not familiar with Honda's (other than mid 80's motorbikes), so I've no idea what your fuse box looks like apart from what the picture shows. The weblink says you have to find the MES (Memory Erase Signal) connector, which was shown in the picture. Is this not a separate connector to the 16 pin one?
Also the weblink says that the picture refers to a 2k1 (2001) fuse box.
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Hi all!
Can somebody out there PLEASE HELP ME WITH THIS ONE!
I understand that this multi-pin plug is located under the dash area but need to know which two, of the sixteen possible sockets, need to be connected in order to activate the 'SRS' blink code.
My ex-Honda mechanic has checked the 'Autodata' system which mentions sockets 4 (4th on top row) and 9 (1st on bottom row) which need only be connected with a piece of wire to 'short' the circuit and create this 'blink code'.
He advises that this insistance by Honda dealerships to charge 30 mins labour (approx £35 plus VAT) is an outrage for a less than 5 minute job!!!
PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME SOMEONE!!!
MANY THANKS IN ANTICIPATION!!!
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Although this car has a 16 pin OBD socket ,it will also have a 2 pin diag plug for the airbag.It can usually be found clipped "parked" into the fuse box & is normally yellow in colour.Removing the lead with its connector allows you to bridge the pins for fault /blink code access.
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Many thanks for your suggestion re 2 pin socket in fuse box.
Can you please just clarify for me that bridging the pins on this 2 pin plug will provide the same information as the 16 pin plug would have done?
Andy
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Can you please just clarify for me that bridging the pins on this 2 pin plug will provide the same information as the 16 pin plug would have done?
I've absolutely no idea. However, as previously mentioned, the 2 pin plug is the MES (Memory Erase Signal) connector. Follow the instructions I posted above, and you *shouldn't* go wrong.
If you're still unsure, then bite the bullet and pay the dealer to look at it for you. It's pointless faffing around if you don't feel confident in doing the job yourself.
I take it you realise that while the red light is on, your airbag systems are inoperative?
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Not specific to Honda but:
Try disconnecting the battery for about 20 minutes (make sure you have the radio codes handy). This should reset any fault codes stored by the ECU/Powertrain and airbag modules.
When the battery is reconnected and the ignition key is switched to position II the modules will run their confidence checks. If the SRS light comes on again and stays on you will need to take it to a dealer or specialist to get the fault diagnosed and fixed. If it was a temporary sensor or module glitch the light should go out when the checks are complete.
I would urge you to get any permanent fault fixed as soon as you can since the airbags will have been deactivated. Likewise if the light goes out but comes on again later.
Kevin...
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Many thanks for your advice Kevin.
Someone replied before you to suggest bridging the pins on the 2 pin plug which is yellow in colour and can be found in the fuse box.
Honda are point blank declining to offer any help re the 16 pin OBD as they say that to bridge the pins is contrary to their standard working practices, hence the £35 + VAT which the dealer charges just to diagnose the fault (if any!!), not to mention any additional costs to cure the fault!!
Apart from using a Honda dealership, can you possibly advise me of any reputable specialists who might be able to assist in this matter if all else fails? I live in Suffolk.
Regards,
Andy
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Andy
why do you think Honda should this for free?
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Well, as I said, I have no specific knowledge of Honda.
The technique of bridging terminals, usually one terminal to earth, was used on pre-OBDII systems where it would cause the fault code to be indicated by flashing the 'Service' light. Since the introduction of OBDII, fault codes are read by a diagnostic tool that attaches to the standard connector. Although OBDII specifies standard codes that apply to all manufacturers and can be read by generic diag tools (Halfords stock some), certain code ranges are reserved for 'Manufacturer Specific' codes. For example, BMW could use a reserved code to log a fault every time the indicators were used and Renault could use exactly the same code to signify that it was time for a breakdown. Only a BMW or Renault specific diag tool knows the difference.
I don't know if Honda continued to support the bridging terminals method after they went to OBDII but I doubt it and I sure as heck wouldn't go bridging airbag wires without knowing exactly what I was doing first. (Yes, airbag circuits are usually yellow and have warning labels at connector points).
Personally, I'd try the battery disconnect and if that didn't work I'd take it to someone with the correct tools. In your case it's probably going to be a dealer.
Kevin...
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Hi all!
I'm getting really frustrated with this one!
Can anyone out there please let me know if there is any other way of identifying and, if necessary, rectifying an SRS fault other than having to pay (in my opinion) approx. £40 plus VAT to a greedy Honda dealership.
Connecting 2 sockets on a 16 pin multiplug (scart-like socket) and shorting the circuit to produce a so-called 'blink code' has been advocated by an ex-Honda mechanic, but I would like to be sure that this method will not do more harm than good!
Andy
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Why don't you just take it to the dealer and have done with it? The fault could be with a crash sensor, ECU, airbag unit or any wiring in between. SRS wiring is usually bright yellow in colour, and this is intended to make it easily identifiable and keep people away from it. This isn't really a job for the DIY enthusiast.
Almost all modern cars are fitted with management systems for engine, transmission, body, chassis, SRS and just about everything else you can think of. Even if you get the fault code from the SRS module where do you expect to go from there?
A standard 16 pin diagnostic socket came into law from January 2001, and every car intended for sale in the UK must be EOBD (European On Board Diagnostic) compliant. But that doesn't mean that every piece of diagnostic equipment will interrogate every system, as most generic fault code readers are mainly designed to get engine codes.
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Take it to the dealer
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I finally 'bit the bullet' and took the car to a Honda dealer as some of you had suggested.........and yes, they managed to identify the problem.......with a hefty price tag!!
Wait for it.....code 7-02 (?) - 'internal failure of SRS unit'....and the replacement cost.....approx £370 VAT, and that's only 'supply' - would be little change from £500 I guess once fitted!
For the moment I'm 'hanging fire' as I understand that it could be significantly cheaper to have the ECU repaired, or obtain a reconditioned one.
Anybody able to shed any light on this one please?
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If you really want to get into this sort of thing, then I suggest you go to your friendly Honda dealer, and buy the official workshop manual. It won't be free, so ready yourself for it. It will tell you how to pull the fault codes, what they mean, and how to properly replace SRS components without things blowing up in your face.
If you manage to get a recon ecu, you will need this info in order to fit it correctly.
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then I suggest you go to your friendly Honda dealer, and buy the official workshop manual.
There are certain manuals available on-line, although the only one for the Honda Civic is for models 1995 - 1997.
Still, it makes interesting reading about the SRS system.
www.honda.co.uk/owner/CivicManual/index.html
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Thanks to everyone who has offered advice on this matter to date.
Can anyone please suggest where I might be able to either purchase a reconditioned ECU / OBD2 for the Supplementary Restraint System (SRS), or repair the current one which Honda maintain has shown a fault code which indicates that the SRS unit has an internal failure.
A website named www.bba-reman.co.uk has been suggested to me as a reliable source - I've e-mailed them with my query this evening, and hope for a reply very soon.
Your further input re the above would be gratefully received.
Many thanks in advance!
Andy
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Calling all Honda boffins!!
Not had any replies yet to this one.
Is there anyone out there who can help?
Thanks!
Andy
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