Peugeot 106 1997 1.5 Diesel - Both driveshafts a bit loose. (newbie)

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Sun 9 Sep 2012 14:46
Peugeot 106 1997 1.5 Diesel - Both driveshafts a bit loose. (newbie) - liammcl

Hi,
I am a newbie, but I'm willing to give it a go :)

Is it unusual thath both driveshafts can be wiggled by hand
(not a lot, but I can hear them clunk. They also clunk when starting off)

The clucking seems to be coming towards the engine side on both ,
and not the CV end.

I am going to try and swap both drive shafts myself (thanks to YouTube :) )
...but I am wondering if it's something inside the engine that's loose?
(Dunno, if that is a daft question ?)

ps Independently, the car had been up on a ramp at national & they confirmed the drive shafts were loose.

Some background...
6 months ago, it passed its MOT with no advisories..

How I came to look at the drive shaft, is that at 50mph the whole car would shake quite bad...it wasn't coming through the steering.

I did the usual, wheel balancing, and home made alignment with 2 jacks and a piece of string (again Youtube...it's taught me all I know tbh :) )

The car sits low at the back, probably needs 2 shocks, and the passenger side rear wheel is starting to bend inwards, which is because of a rubber on the axle on the back.

also....what is likely to happen if I leave it , until it falls off?

Many Thanks
Liam

Edited by liammcl on 09/09/2012 at 14:51

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Sun 9 Sep 2012 21:26
Peugeot 106 1997 1.5 Diesel - Both driveshafts a bit loose. (newbie) - bathtub tom


The car sits low at the back, probably needs 2 shocks

The shock absorbers have no effect whatsoever on the ride height, it's the springs that hold it up!

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Sun 9 Sep 2012 23:36
Peugeot 106 1997 1.5 Diesel - Both driveshafts a bit loose. (newbie) - Peter.N.

Its quite normal for the driveshafts to be sloppy , the splined ends are a relatively loose fit in the diff, then the diff itself is sloppy because of the internal gears and final drive gear plus the movement in the CV joints, unless its making any extrainious noises, its unlikely there is a problem.

As bathtub tom says the shock absorbers are to damp the suspension movement, it the springs that control the height.

Edited by Peter.N. on 09/09/2012 at 23:37

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Sun 9 Sep 2012 23:48
Peugeot 106 1997 1.5 Diesel - Both driveshafts a bit loose. (newbie) - liammcl

Many thanks to both of you for replying.

Tom, I can't see any springs in the back,
I wonder if the height is set by the torsion bar?
voices.yahoo.com/how-lower-rear-torsion-bar-peugeo...l

Many, many thanks Peter
you have saved me a heck of a lot of work !

Maybe it is as simple as a tyre or wheel issue
... they have full wheels with a good tread for a tenner at the scrap yard..
so I could get a couple and try them..

Cheers
Liam

Edited by liammcl on 09/09/2012 at 23:48

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Sun 9 Sep 2012 23:56
Peugeot 106 1997 1.5 Diesel - Both driveshafts a bit loose. (newbie) - liammcl

Just in passing.....,
when I brought the car to National for them to have a look,
the mechanic saw that one side at the back was 2 inches lower than the other.

He just bounced the rear side up and down, and that side went back up to the same height as the other side.

After that the wobbling improved a heck of a lot !

The one at National said it was the shocks that were making it sit so low...
and me being clueless, went along with it :)

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Sun 9 Sep 2012 23:59
Peugeot 106 1997 1.5 Diesel - Both driveshafts a bit loose. (newbie) - liammcl

Tom,
I'll forget about the height , I was thinking that it indicated a problem with the shocks.
Cheers :)

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Mon 10 Sep 2012 00:04
Peugeot 106 1997 1.5 Diesel - Both driveshafts a bit loose. (newbie) - liammcl

Actually, thinking about it,
it was the same guy at National, who said I needed a new drive shaft because of the clunking.

Tbh, it's not much movement at all... I had another look tonight and it all seemed fine , maybe 3 mm movement.

Thanks all... I shall veture forth ,
armed with this new knowledge

Cheers and many thanks !
Liam

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Mon 10 Sep 2012 00:08
Peugeot 106 1997 1.5 Diesel - Both driveshafts a bit loose. (newbie) - gordonbennet

You won't find the type of 'mechanic' you need for sound advice at a fast fit joint.

You need a decent indy to give it the once over for you.

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Mon 10 Sep 2012 00:16
Peugeot 106 1997 1.5 Diesel - Both driveshafts a bit loose. (newbie) - liammcl

Thanks Gordon,
I will go in 2mrw and report back.
Cheers all ...I am a lot more hopeful than I was a couple of hours ago !

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Sun 16 Sep 2012 04:49
Peugeot 106 1997 1.5 Diesel - Both driveshafts a bit loose. (newbie) - liammcl

just an update,
I haven't been into an indi garage yet, the 2 I tried were busy at the time,
and the shaking seems a lot better, it disappears completely sometimes !

Just ahd a look under and one side of the torsion bar has a gap as it goes through the hole?
photobucket.com/torsion

Anyways, nothing to report as yet...
I will update , as soon as I know, incase it can help anyone else.

Cheers
Liam

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Tue 18 Sep 2012 22:21
Peugeot 106 1997 1.5 Diesel - Both driveshafts a bit loose. (newbie) - liammcl

It dissapeared for a couple of days, but came back tonight.

(around 55mph)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=saH6TOl6cfI

ps see how it clears when I take my foot of the accelerator at 60mph
www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5PcSHQGVkU


Cheers
Liam

Edited by liammcl on 18/09/2012 at 22:23

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Thu 20 Sep 2012 19:39
Peugeot 106 1997 1.5 Diesel - Both driveshafts a bit loose. (newbie) - liammcl

well, brought it in today,
and the verdict is a slightly worn wheel bearing & some play in the driveshafts towards the engine side.

Thankfully, it is not dangerous, so I can keep driving till something falls off :)

I've had a look and the battery was loose, so have tightened that up.

The shudder seems better atm, but it comes and goes, so time will tell.

Cheers all
Liam

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