Air conditioning - jamie745

With todays bonkerishly hot weather (seriously, Britain shouldn't be this hot) you have to ask what it must've been like in the days before Air Con.

So I did....just now.

Air conditioning - RichT54

It was terrible - I hate the heat and used to drive with all the windows open to try to keep cool which was OK until you got stuck in traffic.

My last car without air con was a Corolla which I sold in 96. Since then I have always insisted on air con or more recently climate control which is worth every penny to me, although I did notice my fuel consumption take a jump today which I assume was due to the climate control having to work a lot harder.

Air conditioning - Bilboman

My new car (Toyota Avensis) has the most amazing 7 speed fan, both powerful and remarkably quiet, which I find is enough for in-car ventilation in most normal driving. I regularly find myself not switching on the air-con, while I would have done in all my previous cars.

Air conditioning - oldroverboy

what it must've been like in the days before Air Con.

Well, it was different, but I agree, air con is a must have, in winter too, stops all those fugged up windows. I also remember the almost annual compressor/condensor and belt changes and the split hoses on the s3 jags we had coming into the workshop, as well as the range Rovers and the Rover sd1.

Air conditioning - CliffDee

Hot day+open window = potentially very hot driver about to act irrationally

Air conditioning - jamie745

I never understand people who open the window. All that does is turbocharge hot air at you.

Air conditioning - RichT54

I never understand people who open the window. All that does is turbocharge hot air at you.

My understanding is that the forced air draft aids evapouration of sweat which causes cooling.

Edited by RichT54 on 18/08/2012 at 18:02

Air conditioning - No FM2R II

>>I never understand people who open the window

Because its nice.

Air conditioning - Engineer Andy

I have no scientific basis for this, only what I've read (maybe here/another forum/?):

As most people are aware, if you leave your car out in the sun, it'll get baked like an oven/greehouse. When you open the doors, it'll be MUCH hotter than outside, hence why you should always open all doors first before setting off to purge as much hot air as possible. Even though the air temperature would've dropped considerably, the inner surfaces will still be hot (heated directly by radiative heat from the sun), so drive along (if safe/secure to do so and not raining!) with all your windows open for the first few minutes for speeds up to 30mph or so (drag >30mph costs more fuel than A/C). The hot inner car surfaces will lose heat via the air blowing across them (similar to a person, but without the moisture evaporation).

Once over 35mph for prolonged period and/or inside tempertaure not dropping/surfaces not getting any cooler, shut all windows and use the A/C. My tip is to not set the temp dial too low (say 20-21C) for very high ambient temperatures (26C and above), but for the first 10-20 mins set the temp ~23 and gradually lower it as the journey progresses to lessen the effects of "thermal shock" (going from a hot to a cool environment), which may also have the added effect of giving you a very dry throat.

Seems to work well for me! I also (other than trying to park my car in a shady spot [afternoon shade is best] without being under a lime tree or one full of bird/with lots of bird c**p on the ground) open all the doors of my car for a couple of minutes during my lunch break to help purge as much hot air as possible to lessen the heating affect later on. Have a go and see how you get on.

Air conditioning - galileo

During one hot spell in the 60's I drove a Bedford Van (Dormobile type) which had a useful strap that looped over the handle of the sliding door to hold it open: these days the Elf and Safety would faint in horror at the thought of a wide open door beside an un-seatbelted driver, but at the time it kept one cool.

Air conditioning - RT

It was worst in the days between the abolition of opening quarter lights and the introduction of aircon, at least on popular cars - it was at least bearable if you could swivel the quarter lights to scoop lots of ambient air into the cabin.

Air conditioning - bathtub tom

Some of us could open the hinged windscreen.

Air conditioning - injection doc

I used to drive a coach before air con was introduced and it was a green house on wheels.

A days drive on national express down a motorway i used to go home with a seriously burnt face and soaking wet. Often used to carry two or three unifroms and most ended up white with salt stains. Oh it was horrible on really hot days and i can remeber being stuck on the M5 near taunton when the outside temp was in the 90's !

glad to have AC these days and also glad i went back into garage work.

Air conditioning - madf

Bunch of wimps.

In RSA I ran half marathons at 40C ... that was warm.

You really don't know when you are lucky .. it's only 22C here..

Air conditioning - justadriver

Bunch of wimps. In RSA I ran half marathons at 40C ... that was warm. You really don't know when you are lucky .. it's only 22C here..

..... You mean to say that you were running, did they catch you? Or were you too bushed to go the other half? At least you didn't try to swim to robben island or surf around it. I once walked most of the way from the cape to durban, what a trip, and what kindness i met on the way.

Air conditioning - unthrottled

Bunch of wimps.

Quite. Never used it even when driving a car with it fitted. The pump/condenser unit takes up a lot of real estate in the engine bay, making maintainance a chore. Air con systems are like swamps, a breeding ground for foul bacteria. Hammers the mileage too. The air is too dry and gives me a sore throat. Open window and some nice real fresh air.

Edited by unthrottled on 18/08/2012 at 22:19

Air conditioning - jamie745

it's only 22C here..

It's 28C where I am

The pump/condenser unit takes up a lot of real estate in the engine bay

Might as well make use of it then.

making maintainance a chore.

Buy a car which doesn't break down. Sorted.

Air con systems are like swamps, a breeding ground for foul bacteria.

So is public transport, but we all get encouraged to use that.

Hammers the mileage too

You may feel roasting like a turkey is a small price to pay for another 0.00007mpg but I don't.

Open window and some nice real fresh air.

Only problem is the air isn't fresh.

Air conditioning - gordonbennet

Luckily my car has enough windows (pillarless) and sliding sunroof, and neither have nor desire aircon.

There is nothing more enjoyable that having all windows open enjoying the lovely fresh air passing through.

Lucky enough not to live or frequent inner city hell where for a variety of reasons one has to barricade oneself inside the car.

Air conditioning - mss1tw

Don't have it, don't miss it. (My last two cars had it. I'd use it if was there, but I don't curse the lack of A.C. everytime I get in.)

Air conditioning - Bobbin Threadbare

Open window and some nice real fresh air.

Yeah but don't you need to do that so the car doesn't fill with the smoke from your cigs? :-P

I like aircon but I am a 'cold' person so it has to get pretty hot before it bothers me enough to waste the petrol...

Edited by Bobbin Threadbare on 19/08/2012 at 14:15

Air conditioning - unthrottled

Ha ha! Cig smoke can tell you lots about air flow. If you open the window an inch or so, the slipstream draws all the smoke out out of the window. But if you wind the window all the way down the slip stream is disturbed and air tumbles in and the smoke swirkls around the cabin. A cigarette is also good for diagnosing the draw on chimneys that are suspected to be blocked or backdrafting.

Air conditioning - Bobbin Threadbare

I can't say I've used cig smoke to examine flow but I have used ions. Much smaller scale obv.

Air conditioning - coopshere
Best thing since sliced bread especially on long trips, arriving cool and relaxed rather than hot and bothered is great. Coupled with nice dark wags windows and brilliant white paintwork the cars stays very cool. Also stops having to breath in the pollution from all those horrible diesel engines. Wouldn't even consider a car without climate control now.
Air conditioning - unthrottled

um, isn't the wag glass going to nullify the effect of the brilliant white paint?

Also stops having to breath in the pollution from all those horrible diesel engines

Where do you think the air in the car comes from?! Outside! Diesel emissions are different from petrols, but probably not worse overall.

Air conditioning - coopshere
"um, isn't the wag glass going to nullify the effect of the brilliant white paint?"

Nah.

"Where do  you think the air in the car comes from?! Outside! Diesel emissions are different from petrols, but probably not worse overall."

Via a filter. Petrol is without doubt far worse for the ozone layer but diesel is a far worse low level pollutant even though there is an an improvement with the introduction of the DPF.
Air conditioning - unthrottled

Perhaps the filter will trap some of the pollution. I don't know. Personally, I don't find air quality (other than stagnant air) to be an issue.

but diesel is a far worse low level pollutant even though there is an an improvement with the introduction of the DPF.

Depends on what you measure-and under which conditions.

CO-petrol is much worse

UHC-petrol is much worse.

NOx-diesel is much worse

PM. Here's where it gets tricky. Diesel is usually much worse, but DI petrol can be worse than diesel in terms of number of emitted particles, but less in terms of mass. Regulators measure mass of particles, but it is the number that affects air quality.

In summarty: 6 of one, half a dozen of another. People assume diesel is dirtier because you can see diesel smoke. But it's often what you can't see that matters most.

Edited by unthrottled on 19/08/2012 at 18:05

Air conditioning - Bobbin Threadbare

But it's often what you can't see that matters most.

Hence the emerging concern (at least in the physics world) about nanoparticles, because who knows what havoc they can cause in the body....

Air conditioning - Smileyman

Mildly warm day - open sunroof

Warm day - switch on aircon (sunroof open unless on motorway)

Hot day - aircon on and close sunroof, and sunshade under it.

I don't like the air con air, that is why I keep sunroof open unless driving at high speed when the thought of my car's mpg comes to the fore.

I've always had sunroofs on my cars and do like them, good for improving the tan on the bald patch on the top of my head too! However I will have to change car brand when I change my car next as Nissan have dropped sunroofs from all their cars, and I'm not so sure about buying an aftermarket product.

Air conditioning - fredthefifth

For me its the reduction in humidity as well as the cooling. High humidity is uncomfortable and something that we suffer from in the uk with wet summer weather often followed by warm weather. Aircon has a drying effect and reduces humidity, until you stop and have to get out that is!!

Air conditioning - concrete

Air Con/Climate Control is a must for me. My first company car was an 1.1 Escort in 1973, with black plastic seats, you couldn't sit in it for ages if not parked in shade. Take the skin off your legs. First car with A/C was Honda Accord in 1986, never been without since, especially doing 20-25K miles per annum. A trick from abroad is to buy a metallic reflector and erect it inside the windscreen, it really helps. Had too many disasters with sunroofs, would not have one free. They are noisy and expose you to too much direct sunlight on tender spots. Driving with windows open is less fuel efficient than A/C, at least that point has been made on the forum previously. So if you have to drive and you are in direct sunlight A/C is a must for sheer comfort

Air conditioning - unthrottled

. Driving with windows open is less fuel efficient than A/C, at least that point has been made on the forum previously.

You need to be going at quite a lick for that to be true. An a/c compressor can easily draw 5 hp. Doesn't sound like much? it only takes about 10 hp to cruise at a steady 40 mph...

Air conditioning - TeeCee

Mythbusters did it.

Two identical vehicles, with a measured amount of fuel each, driven at a constant 55mph until they ran out. One using air con, one with the windows open.

The one with the windows open went slightly further, but Adam Savage, who drove it, said he never, ever wanted to drive for several hours in 38 degree heat with the airco switched off ever again.

The verdict was that windows open saved you fuel, but not enough to make you want to suffer it unless you were clinically insane.

Air conditioning - concrete

. Driving with windows open is less fuel efficient than A/C, at least that point has been made on the forum previously.

You need to be going at quite a lick for that to be true. An a/c compressor can easily draw 5 hp. Doesn't sound like much? it only takes about 10 hp to cruise at a steady 40 mph...

Hello unthrottled, I take your point and that of teecee. Last year the fan that works within the climate control system became very noisy. Bearings were shot. Before I got it replaced I ran the car without C/Control for over 9 months, only using it on high days and holidays. I did not notice any significant increase, decrease or change in my fuel consumption. Still average 50mpg as near as dammit. One side effect of not using the c/control or aircon was that it then needed re-gassing. The dealer told me that underused aircon systems tend to leak, so use it or lose it. I suppose it does boil down to personal comfort so it's personal choice. No one size fits all. Cheers Concrete

Air conditioning - TeeCee

Mildly warm day - Climate control makes things comfy.

Warm day - Climate control makes things comfy.

Hot day - Climate control makes things comfy.

One less thing to fiddle with so I get to pay attention to the road.

I don't like the air con air

Why? Where does your airco get its air piped from? Mine gets it from outside the car like the windows do.

Air conditioning - maximus

Hi.

For years we used to drive to the south of France ofr Spain for annual holiday. It could be murder, usually had a dark car-mainly because thats what came up. The first car I got with aircon was a '98 primera. It was brought home to me on the first journey to S.o.F. When we stopped overnight and we got to the room instead of collapsing on the bed and needing a shower.I said 'why don't we go straight down to dinner'? In future years we even did the trip in one go. I would always want aircon in my car now. I just feel sorry for the kids-how they suffered!.

Max.

Air conditioning - tyro

During the hot spell in July 2006, I remember saying that our next car would have air conditioning. In the event, it didn't - because I realised that I only really missed it on four or five days a year.

Yes, last week we had one of those days, and I felt uncomfortably warm. I even considered taking my tie off. But it wasn't that bad, so I didn't bother.

Of course, if I lived south of Inverness, aircon would probably be a higher priority. But to this day, we've never had a car with aircon.

Edited by tyro on 31/08/2012 at 10:13

Air conditioning - Ethan Edwards

Sort of related to A/C. Just had the Cabin Air Filter changed on my Note (37.5K miles) . Two and a half years and the previously white filter was deepest darkest black. With out that think about the rubbish you breathe in.

On topic...A/c. won't be without it from now on. Great for clearing misty screens in winter and great for summer motoring in cool comfort.

Top tip. Make sure you run it for ten minutes a week every week just to keep the system 'lubed' otherwise you'll get problems. I do this and my Xtrail hasn't needed any a/c work or even a regas in 9 years and still working great. Just a freshen up service. Crosses fingers.......

Oh periodically you can set it on recirculate heater up to the max then fill the car with a lot of mist from an anti bacterial room freshner spray and put the fan on high. Cheap DIY a/c freshen up. Costs next to nothing and I have NEVER had that musty fridge smell described earlier.