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Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P  
Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Jagman

Advice required please:

My mother in law recently dropped myself & 2 8 yo kids outside Hounslow East train station, on a bus stop: You know the score, following the bus, bus pulls away, belts off in anticipation, we drive in, hop out , driver pulls away 10 seconds max, no one inconvenienced, everyone happy.............Except........... she has just received a parking fine with photo for parking on a bus stop. She has paid the fine as she has just appealed against another ticket (and won) because the ticketing officer didn't see the ticket stuck to her windscreen. The parking dept have told her that they looked favourably on her the last time 'but it wont happen again'. This has left her with a big brother will always win attitude, hence paying the fine immediately, but I think this smacks of easy money for the council & we must have some recourse on this.

What do you think:-

Tags: legal parking fines parking parking charge notices car parking

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Mapmaker

She won't do it again, will she. Nor will you.

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Collos25

You cannot in your heart truly believe she should be let off the law maybe wrong but its there and we know it .Stopping at a bus stop gets you fined I do not see the problem.

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Armstrong Sid
If people stop in bus stops, even for only a few seconds, that means the bus can't get into the space. Therefore the bus has to stay out in the road. That means it holds up the traffic. So motorists complain that they are being held up by public transport causing congestion.

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Dwight Van Driver

Sorry thats a No No Jagman.

If signed with yellow line and Bus Stop (Sign 1025.1) under Part 1 Schedule 19 Traffic Signs and General Directions only busesd arer allowed to stop in that area. Period.

Pay early get the discount.

dvd

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Waino

Would a taxi be allowed to drop off passenger(s) at a bus stop?

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - 2balle

London Taxi drivers are entitled to pick up and drop off at bus stops, passengers are allowed to take as long as is reasonable to alight,

The exception being the bus stops outside Kings Cross, Liverpool St and Victoria station these bus stops have a double thickness red route line

stopping there is verboeten

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Jagman

Truly sanctimoneous answers so far:

I was there, as I said no-one inconvenienced, what if we had stopped in the middle of the road & stopped traffic what would the recourse have been then, probably none, is there any restriction for drop off in the middle of a carriageway ? bearing in mind I am not talking about the M25.

This is common sense I am talking about here or have things got that bad that even an appeal wouldn't stand for it: what if there was a medical emergency how would I stand with that.

Edited by Jagman on 28/07/2010 at 17:10

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Waino

I'm pretty well along the sanctimonious road, but you have my sympathy, Jagman. There's not much harm in dropping someone off if you've checked your mirrors and there are no buses following. My son was photographed once dropping an envelope off at a shop by a loading bay. He said that he was 'unloading' his envelope. His plea was (quite rightly) accepted.

IMHO, 'common sense' has gone out of the window. I was hoping that one of the political parties might have included 'common sense' in their manifesto at the general election - but no one did :-(

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Armstrong Sid

Truly sanctimoneous answers so far:

Truly sanctimoneous = people who don't agree with me

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Jonesy127

Truly sanctimoneous answers so far:

When asking for people's opinions, you should've written the caveat "only reply if you agree with me".

Or not asked at all. It seems unfair as she was only stopped for a short while, but clearly the law does not care. That's life.

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Leif

Truly sanctimoneous answers so far:

Do I have sympathy for you? Yes.

Have I done similar? Yes.

Do I think the fine should be cancelled? No. Unfortunately there are people who park in bus stops creating massive inconvenience. The cameras are there to prevent that sort of abuse. Okay, so you were there for seconds (I believe you, we've all done it) but how do you prove that? Anyone could make the same claim. Perhaps we could have cameras on the buses, so only someone blocking a bus would get a fine.

As for a medical emergency, well you'd have to send proof. I hope they would see sense.

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Cliff Pope

If the rule says you can't park at a bus stop, then you weren't parking, only unloading.

But if the rule says no stopping, then you stopped.

Look at a converse situation: you are obliged to stop at a STOP sign. But even half a second still counts as "stopping".

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Rob C

Ahhh but the OP was dropping off two children. The law changes when you have kids, then you can do whatever the hell you like as they need protecting from the massed ranks of paedos that walk the streets.

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Armstrong Sid
The law changes when you have kids, then you can do whatever the hell you like

Inclined to agree with you, but now you may be opening the great can of worms which is the "dropping off outside school" syndrome

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - oilrag

By all means, widen the debate - here`s the can opener.

We can always try to stuff the worms back in if it goes pear shaped ;-)

Edited by oilrag (Moderator) on 29/07/2010 at 08:58

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - b308

So the only place she could find to stop was at a bus stop...

I find that hard to believe...

Take it on the chin and stop a bit further away next time.

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Lygonos

Worse still.. all the out-of-work plumbers roaming the pavements.

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Sofa Spud

A bus stop is a bus stop. It's only for buses to stop at. Usually, if someone pulls up in a car to drop someone off at a bus stop, nothing happens.

But where I live, cars even stop at the town centre bus stops for someone to nip to the nearby cash machine. Bus comes along, has to wait in road causing hold up.

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - AF

The only problem with such enforcement is the consequences it causes.

Take this piece of road tinyurl.com/3xwh6cc would you stop in the bus stop to drop someone off and risk a ticket, or do you stop just before the bus stop on the dual carriageway, where it is perfectly legal, but blocks the traffic.

Edited by AF on 29/07/2010 at 19:18

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Collos25

You park were you will not get fined.

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - R40

Only bus stops I can spot outside Hounslow East are on road and I can't spot the pull in referred to. Looks like a road where traffic could snarl up easily

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Edited by R40 on 29/07/2010 at 21:53

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - b308

Looking at the map version there seems to be plenty of places you could drop the person off where they would be within easy walking distance of the place...

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Cliff Pope

walking ...

Spot the trick anachronism here: "walking" "children". This is 2010.

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - b308

And there lies the crux of the whole thread, Cliff!

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - madf

As a sanctimonious reply, MIL broke law..

Her excuse is "Please your Honour, it was only for a minute"..

On that basis, most people get off scot free.. as most crimes - except fraud - can take place in seconds.

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Bilboman

It's a tough one. We've all done it: it's easy to become sanctimonious but in the past we always got away with it; nowadays mostly we don't. To stand a cat in hell's chance of sympathy in a court case, an utterly original and plausible excuse is needed. "It was only for a few seconds, gov" will not wash; end of. IIRC Stirling Moss once parked in an ambulance bay and argued (successfully) against a fine as was using his car as an ambulance, i.e. dropping his wife off at the hospital owing to a genuine medical emergency.

I think the only way round this would be a Sweeney-style "drop off", i.e. jump (rather, be shoved) out with the car still moving and not technically stopped or parked. Anyone fancy chancing a few cracked ribs to make a test case? Has to be a sliding door, so Kangoo, Berlingo, maybe an ex-post office Sherpa van...

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Armstrong Sid
I think the only way round this would be a Sweeney-style "drop off", i.e. jump (rather, be shoved) out with the car still moving and not technically stopped or parked.

Variation on that would be like they used to do the Royal Mail on trains, where the sack of mail (i.e the person) was hung out the side of a moving railway carriage and grabbed in a net fixed to a pole at the side of the track.

Local councils could use Speed Camera revenue to fix poles at strategic points along certain roads

Drop Off On A Bus Stop, camera N.I.P - Rob C

I have seen vehicles before,in That London, where people were able to jump on and off a low platform/doorway at the nearside rear when the vehicle was moving slowly in traffic.

Buses, I think they were called. They also had designated areas to stop in, for those too timid to jump.

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