Diesel Payback Miles - meldrew
Diesel cars are more economical then petrol but the cars
themselves cost more as well as the fuel. Over what mileage
therefore does a new diesel vehicle become a cost effective buy?

As a further thought , why are diesel more expensive when the
engines are, allegedly, less complicated?

Meldrew
(I just do not believe it!)




Diesel Payback Miles - Keith S
The payback mileage will depend on the actual car and the car you are comparing it to I suppose.

There is also increased servicing costs and tyres. Regular oil top ups.

I was wondering the same thing about the Yaris D-4D compared to the 1.0 petrol base model? The difference in price is around £1500 I think.

But there is also the resale value and the increased power of the diesel (in this case)
Diesel Payback Miles - BrianW
It also depends whether you intend touring on the Continent, as diesel is only two thirds the UK price e.g. in France, so saving about 25p/litre.
Diesel Payback Miles - madf
suppose you do 10,000 miles a year.
The petrol car does 40mpg
The diesel 50

Over 10k miles the diesel saving vs petrol is 50 gallons or about £225.
Offset that with say 1 service every 10k versus petrol 1 every 20k (just as an example).
Cost of a service about £75.

Then ther is Road Tax .. say you save £25 per year.

So running costs are: Diesel - £225, service +£75, tax £-25.
About £175 per year.

If you do bigger mileages numbers will be larger.

Factor in depreciation and I suspect the higher new costs are offset by higher resale values.

In the end it all depends upon your mileage and how good the model is at taking high mileages. (if it's a Renault just forget it:-)


madf
Diesel Payback Miles - RichardW
Diesel cars are more economical then petrol but the cars
themselves cost more as well as the fuel. Over what mileage
therefore does a new diesel vehicle become a cost effective buy?

Depends on the car, but - when you buy a more powerful petrol car you do not think of it in terms of payback (it won't cos it will burn more fuel) - so think of the extra investment in more torque - diesel cars will be worth far more on the used market than petrols (generally) so the extra cost usually doesn't figure. Just remember that every time you fill up you are cheating the taxman, and helping to preserve natural rsources
As a further thought , why are diesel more expensive when
the
engines are, allegedly, less complicated?


They last twice as long so manufacturere get to sell less of them? I'd say Less are sold (at the moment) so they are loaded to offset the development cost, plus they generally require beefier drive trains to cope with the extra torque.

Richard
Diesel Payback Miles - CM
BMW 530iT - list 31395
BMW 530dT - list 31400

Supposed equals but I suppose it comes down to how much of a premium you think that you are paying for a diesel.
Diesel Payback Miles - meldrew
BMW 530iT - list 31395
BMW 530dT - list 31400
Supposed equals but I suppose it comes down to how much
of a premium you think that you are paying for a
diesel.


But,

BMW Compact 320TD SE - list 20865
BMW Compact 318TI SE - list 19345

Difference = £1520

HJ seems to like the diesel version but it does seem
very pricey and there are no three year olds to assess
the depreciation.