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NhS Lease Scheme - jeffacus

has anybody experienced the NhS salary sacrifice scheme?

My wife has just got a job as a nurse and is able to get a car. The quotes we have received are really good - they include insurance, tax, maintenance etc.

We are thinking of getting rid of our 2008 Toyota auris anyway and looking at an audi a3. The quotation from the NhS is comparable to what we pay for just the car, without the extras, eg insurance, tax etc for the Toyota.

Just wondering if anyone else out there who has a car on the scheme and if its worth doing?

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NhS Lease Scheme - steveb

Yes - worth doing - i work in NhS finance and we have just introduced this scheme in our Trust.

Do not do however if you are retiring within the next 3 years as it reduces your pension contributions, and therefore your final salary.

The NhS isn't the safest of places however at the moment (for staff and patients :-) ) given the financial tsunami about to break...

a good way though of getting a new car - virtually risk free - and includes, tax, insurance, servicing, breakdown etc etc

if you intend to leave the trust whilst still in the scheme you will be contractually still liable for the payments.

hope this helps !

Steve

NhS Lease Scheme - Altea Ego

My wife is on the scheme, she is a nurse.,

it was worthwhile but is now very expensive. She is coming off at the end of her lease and will be buying private again. The sums add up better,

its not risk free, if you wish to leave, unless you can get another trust to take it on, you have to pay the lease fees

everyone in her trust is now giving it the elbow

Edited by Altea Ego on 21/03/2010 at 21:58

NhS Lease Scheme - Roly93

The NhS isn't the safest of places however at the moment (for staff and patients :-) ) given the financial tsunami about to break...

Whilst I have every respect for our nurses and doctors in the NHS, I have to say they are only now experiencing what I/we have been experiencing in our industry (telecoms) for 10 years...I stoped thinking about a job for life when I left the civil service many years ago.

NhS Lease Scheme - tonyrees68
Hi Jeff.
Im in a similar position. looking to get a lease car from NHS. I was just wondering what was the quote you had for the A3 and what milage do you do a year for private miles.
I need the car for work and dont mind driving anything so any info would be great
Tony
NHS Lease Scheme - Avant

Ths thread was started a year ago so the OP may not reply! Has anyone else got experience of this scheme?

NHS Lease Scheme - Ethan Edwards

And you thought the priority for the NHS was making sick people better. Nope it's actually getting shiny new metal onto the road. Hurrah for higher taxes..tax and spend, tax and spend. Don't forget to protest about those 'eeeevilll toreee' cuts to the gravy train.

NHS Lease Scheme - tonyrees68

Hello again

Does anyone have any idea of costs for a lease car through the NHS.

Really need a car for work for buiseness milage and hardly any private milage.

Thanks in advance

Tony

NHS Lease Scheme - RickyBoy

Mrs RickyBoy has just taken delivery of a bog-standard 11-plate Fiesta Zetec 1.2 plus metallic paint.

Total cost is just over £100pcm over a 3-year term. We're in Buckinghamshire. It came on a trailer from Chester! Previous Clio came from Cardiff. One before that supplied locally.

FleetCare handle the NHS deals in this region. You select what you fancy (inc. any additional options) and they get back to you with the monthly quotations broken down into cost of vehicle and cost of tax.

She costed the Fiesta, a Mazda 2, Hyundai 120 and a similar Clio. Certain brands were more expensive for the vehicle but less for the tax, etc. There was no significant difference in the figures for those brands mentioned save 10-15 quid or so. I believe the Hyundai was the most expensive to lease which surprised me.

She selected the Fiesta as a change from her past two Clios. She could have requested quotes for an Alfa Mito or an Audi A1 (my suggestions) but as she's not too bothered about motors and image these days she didn't! However, the Fiesta looks quite acceptable in Silver Whatever Metallic with alloys, a/c and Bluetooth nonsense.

Oh, and Ethan Hunt... she works as a Domiciliary Physio which means she's out and about on home visits each and every day where I'm afraid a bus or a bike just won't cut it!

Best ...

NHS Lease Scheme - RickyBoy

Forgot to mention ...

You HAVE to specify quite accurately the number of Business and Private miles you expect to register per annum. For example, if you exceed the private allowance considerably then I believe adjustment penalties/additional costs could be applied?

Don't believe she's ever been caught out by this herself but I'm sure it'll be somewhere in the (your) small print!

NHS Lease Scheme - tonyrees68

Thankyou very much RickyBoy great info. I understand that the private miles are my costs. What does Mrs RickyBoy think of the Fiesta and do you think its worth having. My self (because man brain) I was thinking of a Mito or A1, jst because of the co2 and engine sizes.

But on the other hand looking at Fiat 500 and the Swift and the tiny little IGO as this will be for work only and dont care what I drive to work .

NHS Lease Scheme - tonyrees68

Anyone else had any cost experience of the NHS lease car.

As I now have to cover the cost of using my own car for doing NHS work .

NHS Lease Scheme - Paul24
NHS Lease Scheme - Paul24

Hi I work for Humber N.H.S Foundation Trust in Kingston Upon Hull, and our Trust as just started working in partnership with N.H.S Fleet Solutions. Its Salary Sacrafice but was hoping if you could tell me if these Lease cars are a good deal/scheme. Just hoping for some feedback on this company and if these schemes are all they made out to be.

NHS Lease Scheme - garylyon

My trust are using this scheme and the staff are very efficient in processing your orders but not so good in keeping you updated once the order has gone out to the dealer or the manufacturer.

Is it a good deal... well that depends on your circumstances.... I`m getting an alfa Guillietta 2.0JTD 170 and im happy with my payments others in my area are going for Audis which seem to be coming in cheap ish... a mini diesel convertable came in at £270 for one member of staff.

I`m not sure what the delays are mine has just been put back until mid to late august and that was quoted on 3rd april and ordered on 21st april.....

oh and ring back in 4 weeks is the mantra........

NHS Lease Scheme - nurse queenie

Hi

Do you work in a hospital or district??? my trust is offering this leasing scheme unsure to whether i will qualify or not

NHS Lease Scheme - Sarah.C
I joined NHS England in April, and was made aware of the salary sacrifice scheme in order to get a new car on lease. I have obtained the quote and proceeded to the contract stage, before I sign I just wondered if anyone could advice whether I would incur additional tax charges I.e. on top of the £260 net( after tax,pension and Ni saving and plus the tax liability charge) I would be paying for the car?

I don't want to find myself in the situation where I am being charged additional tax as I have been told my tax code will change.
NHS Lease Scheme - moodycat

And you thought the priority for the NHS was making sick people better. Nope it's actually getting shiny new metal onto the road. Hurrah for higher taxes..tax and spend, tax and spend. Don't forget to protest about those 'eeeevilll toreee' cuts to the gravy train.

I work for the NHS, and I have recently lost the post I was in and been assigned to one where I have to transport vulnerable adult patients around 5000 miles a year. My 12 year old Corsa that overheats in traffic is not a safe option and I cannot afford a decent car, so the salary sacrafice scheme is what I will have to do. I am on no gravy train, I work hard and just about scrape by. My priority is and will always be to the people I serve. Surely you would want to know that your loved ones (should they need care) were transported in a safe and reliable car?

NHS Lease Scheme - Ethan Edwards

You may not be taking the proverbial though I wonder why you are transporting patients rather than a dedicated ambulance. But some people are definitely ripping the taxpayer off.

www.publicservice.co.uk/news_story.asp?id=15109

NHS Dumfries and Galloway currently leases 321 cars – including top of the range models such as the Mercedes CLC 200 Coupe Sport, BMW 1 Series CPE Sport and Audi A3 Sportback TDI SE.

The lease cars cost the NHS authority a total of £784,124 a year.

So no waiting lists and shortage of cash up there?

I personally know of one senior chap who was briefly in charge of the LAS some years ago and his troughing was pretty blatently obvious.

However if you have a genuine need for basic transport then fine. Basic transport it is. I believe you'll find basic four door transport kicks in at about nine grand Hyundai i10. Though you may be able to find cheaper. Enjoy.

NHS Lease Scheme - johneva

The link you provide also explains it would cost more for them to pay for business mileage allowance, if they were not on the leasing sceme.

It also explains that they only offer a basic car and the employee pays the difference if they want a better car.

My other half is on the leasing sceme and has a Mazda 6 Estate, she would have been funded upto a bottom of the range 1.4 petrol Astra as she is an essential car user with over 3500 business miles. But she decided to get a Mazda 6 estate as we have dogs and children to think about too.

But as I say she pays the extra, she has to pay over £300 a month to have the car, where as some of her work mates with the likes of a Mini Cooper only pay £40 a month.

She used to get 40p a mile or something plus £50 a month for using her own car as she is an essential car user. Now she gets 7p per mile and no essential car user allowance.

She is a mental health social worker who often has to go to different hospitals for visits and visit people in the community. Aswell as taking people to do certain stuff like helping them with their banking requirements ect.

I dont see how this is something you can say is a waste of tax payers money to be honest, I also hate to see tax payers money goto waste like it often does but dont feel this is the case with the NHS leasing scheme to be honest.

NHS Lease Scheme - misterc

The lease schemes save the Trusts money over paying out the much higher and fixed HMRC mileage rates, therefore those who take lease cars are actually costing the Trust less. Plus they pay an additional tax monthly on the car so actually contributing MORE to the country... No different to getting a private lease and claiming full mileage except less money has to come from Trust coffers as they get huge discounts on the car list price. All extras and private miles come from user's contribution.

I think articles are painting it as some lavish company car scheme... it really is not. There are plenty of private sector jobs out there with generous rewards such as this, the NHS is not one, and only staff who need a car for their job are eligible. And just to make sure you are not too worried about it apparently the whole NHS is getting a mileage review (read reduction) in 2013 which will mean workers will be getting less again towards their mileage or lease cars. Not really as great as some articles would like to paint.

You want to poke at a waste of public money, how about the use of PFI to build hospitals? Or paying a private company to run a car park that charges patients? Or even spending billions scrapping Primary Care Trusts... Or the top of them all, paying private providers to run services where public money is being used to make a profit, no it really is not about efficiency because you can get that with incentives... it's about profit.

As for transporting patients in an ambulance, I think that's a little narrow minded, there thousands of community jobs where an ambulance would be totally inappropriate, just one example would be taking someone recovering from mental illness shopping... I'm pretty sure taking them out in an ambulance wouldn't be a great way of helping them recover and fight stigma... might get more shopping in it than an i10 but which would you like to be meeting your worker in if you were recovering from psychosis? Nuff said.

Rant over. Merry xmas all of you.

Edited by misterc on 22/12/2011 at 23:35

NHS Lease Scheme - garylyon

In My trust the salary sacrifice scheme is putting people into new cars but we pay for the leasing coststhrough a reduction in salary. The trusts gain from having a reduced Employers NI liability and reduced employers pension contributions ... So I get a shiny new metal thing for three years and save the NHS some money..... ... I`m not sure where the gravy train stops but I can say as a staff nurse I`ve never been a passenger.

NHS Lease Scheme - Smileyman

As an accountant I understand the maths involved, and recognise there is the potential for such a scheme to be financially benefical for all concerned. (apart from HMRC of cource).

Where I think problems lie is reading about people buying Audi and Alfa and other premium brands of motors with what is in effect state funds.

The scheme needs to be manufacturer brand, model and specficiation specific, eg Ford, Vauxhall, Nissan, Toyota, ... and the list to include only fuel efficient models that are made in the UK. (and not Range Rover or Jags).

This will mean UK taxpayer funds are supporting UK manufacturing and UK employment.

(Perhaps to pander to EU rules include non premium EU brands eg Fiat or Skoda if necessary)

NHS Lease Scheme - misterc

Good thinking, except you run the risk that all the restriction of choice will do is mean that people lease privately and claim full HMRC mileage... Plus if you are going to do that you would need to roll this out across the UK to all car schemes public and private to really influence the motor industry, also most importantly if you don't you get the question "why should tax payers (via mileage/company cars) pay for private sector personnel to have whatever car they want", it's all public money.

Also I admit the following is just my opinion.

... when the cars made in the UK can match the best of German engineering then fine, but they cannot currently and in a place where MPG & CO2 is everything, you are going to go for the best you can get within the fiscal restrictions of tax/duty. A 0-60 time of sub 8 secs when you need it but 69.8mpg the rest of the time (I get 74 on M-Ways) makes all other eco cars look a bit pants sorry.

The public sector is their to serve the needs of the whole of the public, It isn't really for the public sector to dictate/influence private sector manufacturing - supply and demand does this and ultimately this is down to the quality of the goods. Between the employers (who do not really pay that much to most of their workers despite common public perceptions) and HMRC they ensure that workers do pick efficient low CO2 cars or tax penalties and personal contributions become too much for the average worker to afford. If any of your said UK "based" manufacturers can produce a car better than the Germans I think people will happily choose them but until that day your hard earned contributions will be going towards the best for your money. Either that or attract the best manufacturers to the UK but we do not have the workforce coming out of university for that I heard on the news the other day... I'm sure restricting access to fee loans for graduates (despite this being fairer?) will ensure that no graduate ever retrains in engineering, and a lack of jobs combined with £9k/yr fees will ensure only a modest number of engineers continue to be produced through university... but I digress... tis the season to be jolly!

Merry xmas all

NHS Lease Scheme - RT
The public sector is their to serve the needs of the whole of the public, It isn't really for the public sector to dictate/influence private sector manufacturing - supply and demand does this and ultimately this is down to the quality of the goods.

Since it's taxpayers' money that funds the public sector, it's very proper that the element spent on public sector motoring is used for the benefit of the UK economy.

NHS Lease Scheme - misterc

I think my argument above (typos and all) outlined clear problems with forcing car choice on people that only benefits UK manufacturing. All cars sourced come from UK dealers, are serviced by UK garages, are taxed with UK tax discs and pay UK BIK tax and use UK fuel paying UK duty. Pretty much all the money spent has some benefit for UK economy.

The fact that you discount things such as MPG in favour of UK manufactured cars seems somewhat short sighted approach, surely the costs being kept down for NHS was the initial argument.. hence highest MPG, best RV of vehicle, lowest road tax etc so basically anything eco from Audi, BM or VW.

I admire your principles and if we didn't live in a free market economy and your ideas had been put in place years ago, perhaps we would still have British manufacturers, perhaps even Rover... But we don't. Again it's down to quality now. I don't advocate for overpriced lifestyle products that are there to be thrown away a year later, but I do argue for sensible free choice for the best performing product. Especially when it's use is for the good of the public and costs the NHS as little as possible.

NHS Lease Scheme - RT

Have you noticed, indeed has anyone noticed, that the UK people are the only ones in the world who won't support their home market by buying their own products whenever possible?

Germans buy a bigger % of German cars than anyone, Yanks buy more US-built cars than anyone as do all the other nations with a car industry of any sort, ie France, Italy, Spain, Japan, Korea and now of course China.

Please explain why the term "free market" has such a different meaning in the UK to anywhere else on earth? Patriotism isn't a dirty word anywhere else but here.

Edited by RT on 24/12/2011 at 20:44

NHS Lease Scheme - jamie745

Have you noticed, indeed has anyone noticed, that the UK people are the only ones in the world who won't support their home market by buying their own products whenever possible?

Because by and large we dont care wheres its made or who by, so long as its cheap and wont break.

Germans buy a bigger % of German cars than anyone, Yanks buy more US-built cars than anyone as do all the other nations with a car industry of any sort, ie France, Italy, Spain, Japan, Korea and now of course China.

When you take pickup trucks out of the equation (F-150 and Silverado occupy the top two vehicle sales positions in the US) you'll find Americans buy lots of Japanese and German cars as well. You've answered your own question really in that Britain doesnt have a car industry and when we did it was pretty poor.

Patriotism isn't a dirty word anywhere else but here.

Correct but by the same token who would spend money on rubbish purely because its made in Britain when for the same money you could get better quality from abroad? 'Supporting the home market' may be culturally important in other countries but here all we want is cheap and reliable. Saying somethings 'Made in England' is just a nice way of saying its going to fall apart and seeing as the only car industry we do have is bankrolled by foreign firms keeping British people in employment im not sure what you're asking us to do, all buy a Noble?

You seem to think that by not buying the British option wherever possible that we're somehow anti-British. I drive an S-Type by the way, British name but i know most of its American.

NHS Lease Scheme - Bromptonaut
Since it's taxpayers' money that funds the public sector, it's very proper that the element spent on public sector motoring is used for the benefit of the UK economy.

As I read the OP this isn't a simple company car/lease scheme but involves salary sacrifice. The employee accepts a reduction in their salary and gets the car in exchange.

Too many conditions and the employee says 'sod this' and claims mileage for their own car.

NHS Lease Scheme - misterc

Totally agree, and when Trusts were tied in to certain brands, the costs I saw were considerably more, the lack of competition probably didn't help keep prices low... I certainly was not interested in a scheme that cost twice as much as it does now and dictated I had one of 5 cars...

I spite of all this I would love to see some British manufactured cars really being competitive... BM are now sharing diesel engine tech with Toyota in exchange for battery technology, so may be some of their cars will come out as competitive and uptake will increase. But that is the responsibility of the car industry not public sector workers, especially when they have to pay a good chunk of their wages (some of us after tax as well) for the car.

Hope you are all having a lovely xmas

NHS Lease Scheme - Chantalk

Hi

I am a community midwife for the last 16 years i have had 3 previous lease cars and am in my last year of my fourth.I also have experience of using my own car at work and would definately recommend lease car scheme. I work in the very rural area of Cumbria where the roads are poor at the best of times and if you use your own car end up forking out for all the increased wear and tear as well as the deprecation etc.

I have had one Ford KA which was cheap and cheerful and then since had Mini's.They are fast (useful for the rapid homebirths!) and very handy.No doubt the eco warriors have their head in their hands at this point and wish i would get on my bike but doing in excess of 80 miles most days is not cost effective on my hourly rate.

My mini is very reasonable and many of the distict nurses also have minis.I have added extras which put the cost up but not unduly.I do very well because i have a high work mileage and low private as my husband has a car .The scheme actually saves the trust money as it would have to pay a higher rate if i used my own car and it has a ceiling limit and will only contibute so much towards my car so no tax payers are hurt in the making of this deal!

I find it somewhat upsetting that people think we are trying to profit from such a system when we are just doing our job.We are not a charity and some of us have given well beyond the call of duty at some very unholy hours of the night in hideous driving conditions to deliver babies in the back of beyond.If the Eco Warrior would like to experience the day and night of the community midwife and see why we need a works car feel free to join me.

As for the debate of choosing a UK car as far as im concerned i should be able to choose whatever i like if im contributing to it.

Edited by Avant on 02/01/2012 at 23:14

NHS Lease Scheme - Avant

Welcome to the forum, Chantal. I've put in some paragraphs so that people can read your Interesting post without losing the will to live!

I hope we'd all agree that what - being old-fashioned - I still call the district nurse service does a wonderful job, and is particularly vital to the community in areas like yours. Give the mileage you do, you may as well enjoy it, so a Mini is an ideal choice - and a nice link with the district nurses of my childhood in the 1950s and 60s when most of them drove Morris Minors, also made in Cowley. A Minor - equipped with the famous SU carburettor - was far more likely to start first time on a cold wet night than the equivalent Ford or Vauxhall.

Edited by Avant on 02/01/2012 at 23:26

NHS Lease Scheme - newy

Hi

Well talk about putting me off this scheme its gone from one extreme to another since reading the first original post.

I was going to consider this scheme but alot of thought needs to be taken into account. I feel that if you want peace of mind and don't wont to worry about maintaining a car then this is ideal. Financially you should be prepared for extras that may occur pregnancy, leaving job etc as you a bound by the contract so it's important to read the small print.

I was going to give up my old car to get a new one which would be on the never never but will it be worth it to payout of a 5 year term when the car will depreciate. Again food for thought and to weigh up the pros and cons. If the cost is reasonable and your not fussy about the car then it's worthwhile I think.

All these posting as simply confused the situation from the original first question which was simply asking is it a good deal or not.

NHS Lease Scheme - pikey999

Hi, I've just joined the forum, although im not part of the NHS, my FRS (Fire and Rescue) are looking at introducing the Salary Sacrifice Car scheme. But at this time its all gone quiet...again!! Can anyone point me to where you can see what Vehicles are available, and the typical monthly prices?.

NHS Lease Scheme - kek

One piece of advice to anyone thinking of joining the NHS salary Sacrifice car scheme is to take there quoted delivery times with a pinch of salt, there simply not true. I ordered a car nearly 3 months ago and was told 3 weeks delivery if I ordered a golf. I’m still waiting despite promises that it would soon be with me. I cant help thinking that if the company didn’t have a monopoly with regard to the NHS, they would provide a much better service.

I’m not alone in this; a colleague ordered a car in November 2011 and waited until April this year, not what I would call a fleet solution. Its worth bearing in mind if like me you need a car quickly

NHS Lease Scheme - smileyone

Hi I wonder if I may ask if your personal tax code is significantly lower than it should be for your lease car?

I have had a Lease car via NHS since 2006 and pay £350 monthly inc VAT and handling fee. In June 2010 I changed Trusts and then in May 2011 my tax code dropped dramatically. When I questioned this I was told it was because of my company car! I have been sent 'round the houses' trying to get some answers to this from salary and wages department to HMRC back to salary to lease car company (Derwent) back to salary , back to HMRC and so on you get the picture I am sure?

So....since last year I have been sent several P11d's all of them have something different on them but I am still not getting anywhere....everyone seems to think it is a different department that deals with the query.

Salary and wages have now sent a letter to HMRC saying I have a lease car not a company car but have also resent a P11d on this one it states that the cash equivalent of car would be region of £2000 (not exact fig quoted) per annum and that my car is not available for 89 days of the year. i have never been offered a cash equivalent and my car is available to me everyday that's why I pay £350 a month.

For those of you interested it is a mini cooper D but my private milaeage is high as I travel 90 miles daily to my base and then I work rurally as a nurse and get 11p per mile for that priviledge.

All I question is why now after 6 years I am I suddenly being taxed from 747L (I think) to 547L ?

Thank you to any genuine answers and to those of you who think it is a perk...it is not....like Chantalk I cannot do this job on a bike as I average 130 miles daily or more

NhS Lease Scheme - nurse queenie

Hi

We have all had leaflets with our wage slips about salary sacrifice and lease cars? I work in a hospital not as a district nurse. Do you know if I would qualify for lease scheme? as NHS and PCT merged in July 2011???

NhS Lease Scheme - pikey999
Hi,
From what i was told (FRS) that so long as your employed, and earn over the minimum wage, you qualify.
NhS Lease Scheme - stella67
There appears to be people confused about the difference between regular nhs lease cars for essential users and salary sacrifice schemes that are open to anyone regardless of essential car user status

I am trying to be clear on the differences between the two schemes.

I am an essential user. As I see it with salary sacrifice cars you can still claim higher rate mileage eg 40-44p miles for first 9000 miles. This is opposed to the 15p a mile for nhs lease cars.

I would be grateful to receive any comments on peoples understanding between the two schemes for essential users

Thanks

Stella

Edited by stella67 on 16/06/2012 at 10:33

NhS Lease Scheme - Psychiatric Nurse
(Duplicate post)

Edited by Avant on 10/12/2012 at 23:46

NhS Lease Scheme - Psychiatric Nurse
There appears to be people confused about the difference between regular nhs lease cars for essential users and salary sacrifice schemes that are open to anyone regardless of essential car user status I am trying to be clear on the differences between the two schemes. I am an essential user. As I see it with salary sacrifice cars you can still claim higher rate mileage eg 40-44p miles for first 9000 miles. This is opposed to the 15p a mile for nhs lease cars. I would be grateful to receive any comments on peoples understanding between the two schemes for essential users Thanks Stella

Just looked at the above thread, wow how people can be easily convinced that public sector employees are overpaid blood suckers. Wonder if I worked in the private sector I would have a company car to go and see customers for work, I pay towards my NHS car and tax too, to go and see my patients. This is far from a benefit, just to let everyone know the trust I work for chages around £65 per month to insurance alone 3 times more that I would pay individually, before you consider some of the cost should not be paid a all given the majority is for business purposes.

Back to the point the salary sacrific scheme means you benefit because you reduce your tax and NHS pension contributions currently 9% of salary. I would be wary as given the pension will be converted to the new scheme next year you may reduce the value of your pension when taking this option - this needs to be clarified.

In terms of the scheme for regular users this varies from trust to trust, currently the scheme I am in is more expensive than leasing privately, so it is worthwhile having a look to see what other companies can offer. from June next year NHS trusts are intending to pa 23p per mile over 3500 miles a year, that is 40p per mile less than the cost of running a typical medium sized car, so in that case the lease may be the best option.

The other option would be using a bicycle because the NHS is also thinking about paying 23p per mile to ride a push bike.

NhS Lease Scheme - Steamdrivenandy

You could always borrow an NHS van. They always have dozens sitting around our local general hospital doing nothing.

NhS Lease Scheme - Psychiatric Nurse

You could always borrow an NHS van. They always have dozens sitting around our local general hospital doing nothing.

Interesting thought, I know that many of the van fleet workers have had there hours cut, though the vans are probably part of a lease contract so are not as easy to get rid of.

If the inference is that this is an indication of waste in the NHS, don't believe everything the politicians say, we could look at many other companies and give examples of waste everywhere, could be a good idea to evaluate all the evidence, before reaching further conclusions.

Lets keep this thread on discussions around the lease scheme though, if anyone wants to create a link for discussions around the NHS, I would be pleased to contribute, give me the link.

NhS Lease Scheme - leaseman

OK. I've seen enough. The NHS Lease Car scheme, like everything else that exists for Public Sector workers ( Salaries, Job Security, Pensions etc.) are so far ahead of what we, mere mortals, can expect to command from life. If you are able to pillage and take advantage of all we tax payers provide for you- then do it. And stop complaining that some of the generous benefits that you can claim don't quite suit your personal circunstances. Get a life!

NhS Lease Scheme - focussed

OK. I've seen enough. The NHS Lease Car scheme, like everything else that exists for Public Sector workers ( Salaries, Job Security, Pensions etc.) are so far ahead of what we, mere mortals, can expect to command from life. If you are able to pillage and take advantage of all we tax payers provide for you- then do it. And stop complaining that some of the generous benefits that you can claim don't quite suit your personal circunstances. Get a life!

Quite - couldn't have put it better myself.

If the NHS needs to have cars for it's staff to carry out essential work, such as District Nurses etc the vehicle provided should be a pool car. Pool cars should be the same for DN's or trust chairpersons - such as a bulk lease deal of adequate machinery, such as the cheapest basic Fiesta. Never mind all the ego crap about "my motor is better than your motor because I'm more important than you" etc remember that the taxpayer is having to fund it, so the cheapest basic motor will do the job. If you don't want the job because it doesn't come with an ego-boosting expensive car, go look for a job somewhere else.

And if you have to take the pool car home overnight expect to get charged tax on your journey to work the next day, just like the rest of us.

NhS Lease Scheme - Psychiatric Nurse

I am sick and tired of hearing this constant belief that public sector workers have better salaries, better perks and are the scurge of humanity.

Any benefit in kind for NHS lease cars are taxed under the PAYE system, the base car that is used to calculate costs is a Ford Escort 1.4LX - this is not even available now, the NHS only pays for the business use of the vehicle, the member of staff pays for private use.

In terms of salary I earn less than I did in industry, following undertaking 3 years training and also undertaking postgraduate study as a mature student, I am responsible for the lives of the people I look after and am accountable if anything goes wrong.

Most nurses are like everyone else, struggling to pay mortgages, with no disposable income, if staff are paid less in the public sector this drives down average pay, something that has always been a value of the current government, it is simplistic to think that everyone in the private sector will have a big decrease in tax due to reduced expenditure.

In terms of ego, people who go into healthcare do so because they wish to make a difference, not due to aspiring to drive a flashy car.

Finally if we do lease something like a Mini or a Nissan Juke, we are keeping British men and women in work, also due to the fact that the NHS has such large purchasing power, NHS trusts actual make a profit from leasing vehicles in comparison to paying statutory mileage allowances as indicated by HMRC.

May I suggest reading alternative media, to gain a balanced perspective?

NhS Lease Scheme - cars2lease

What experience have you got? Have you ever driven a van?

NhS Lease Scheme - jono2013

i would just like to point out that us NHS workers also pay our tax's.

i am a regular user and have used both my own car when i started my job and am now on my second lease car.

i pay to work. i pay more tax thanks to having the car. get milage allowance of 11ppmile instead of the 46ppm i would be getting f i was using my own car. not to menton the monthly ware and tare i would get paid for running my own car.

i have to have a car for the purpos of work, i work in community rehab to enable elderly and peoeple who have suffered a stroke to come home earlier from hospital and sometimes avoid hospital admissions totally. my car is essential as without it i could not do my job i travel from different places and can be expected to see 7 patients between 8am and 12pm in 3 areas some days this would not be achivable using public transport. in doing this we save the nhs hospital trust millions in long admissions and we free up beds saving even more.

we have both lease car and salary sacrifice choices in my trust. i have the lease as i do more than 5000 work miles per year. i had the choice of the car i wanted however this year my trust have introduced that only upto130co2 emmissions is allowed for a regular user and 150co2 emmitions for a salarie sacrifice user.

i pay for my private milage and becouse i have chosen a decent car with low emmissions i also pay extra as my thought is if im going to do it and have the car for 3 years then i may as well do it right. if i was using mu own car i would not use a basic modle why should i when im paying for ths one too!

i have never been on the dole and have worked all my life im now 30 i have worke for the nhs now for 5 years. i do not intend to leave my job and i am just a normal person who lives in a council house and have done all my life. i get by but struggle like the best of us. the car ensures that i am available for work ibn all weather conditions like this thick snow at the moment yes we still have to do our jobs in all weathers....shouldnt then we have the choice to do it in a car that is fit for purpose.

by far this is not a benifit. it is fully paid for by me and as they should the nhs pay for their usage. less emmissions on the road = greener air something most people are wanting and also means less older cars on the road as would not be able to afford a new car at the moment so it would be an older higher co2 car i would be doing all my milage in.

i pay 330 a month for my car and get back about 40-50 quid for my petrol i put far more than this in for work alone.

this is my second car tho and they have always been delivered within weeks of when i was told they would be. if you already have a lease car then u can use that till the new one comes.

but you can get stung with exess milage. but thats if u go above your quoter so would be your own doing as if it was work milage that caused the increase they would pay for it.

its stress free driving for me i have enough to deal with without the stress of cars going wrong so for me it was a great benifit in many ways and becouse i get a nice new car i kinda dont mind the extra tax i pay per month and petrol for work too it works for me and it works for the nhs saving them loads!!

but most of all it ensurse that i am able to get to my patients at the time of day they need me regardless this im sure if you are even in the position when u need care at home is of only benifit to u as a patient when u need that care and cant access it.

all in all for me the lease car works it wont work for everone but for me it does and do i feel guilty for gettng paid less ppmile and paying more tax a month to deliver the highest care i can well been cumfy n safe doing it then no i dont.

NhS Lease Scheme - ceri456

Hi, I'm looking for a new car and work for the NHS dose anybody know of any website or companies I can get a quote off for the NHS lease scheme. Any information would be gratefully recieved thanks

NhS Lease Scheme - Psychiatric Nurse

Prices are available through your NHS Trust.

NhS Lease Scheme - PidgeJen

Hi, I work for the NHS and have a standard 1.4 petrol Vauxhall Corsa paying £150.24. When I originally took out the lease i was doing 5500 business miles per year, but due to business need shortly after I took the lease they moved me to a team where I do far less driving, averaging around 3500 business miles.

What I didn't know until last month (a year after I took the lease) that this is going to cost me another £80 per month as my trust will now contribute less to the car as I am driving at work less. I want to stress that moving was not my choice and I asked not to be moved, so I feel quite annoyed that I've been financially penalised! I also came in under my personal mileage allowance so haven't incurred excess charges there. My manager was initially supportive but once she realised the difference may have to come out of her budget, has started asking me all about the small print when I took the lease. I was advised over and over by the lease car administrator it would be a fixed cost for 3 years otherwise i never would have taken the risk but of course it says in the small print that the price can fluctuate.

My question is, has this happened to anyone else, and have I got any chance of fighting it and refusing to pay? It will cost me £1200 to exit the lease.

Thanks!

NhS Lease Scheme - Psychiatric Nurse

My mileage was higher for business and I did not have a refund, my agreement only allows for excess charges for private mileage.

To be quite honest with recent changes to the way mileage is to be calculated you will now be charged to drive to your registered office even if you work from home. This is classified as business mileage if you work for any other company as long as you are not driving to your usual place of work.

For example if you sell double glazing and drive to see a customer you would have to pay for travel to your office before you claim anything so if your office is 50 miles away you will need to foot the first 100 miles of your costs yourself as well as paying an additional amount for the car.

Public sector overpaid? Public sector goldplated?

I think the best way will be to catch the bus as that is all anyone working in the NHS can afford. So forget the lease and look for a job in the underpaid private sector surely graduates with 20 years experience are earning above 25k a year.

NhS Lease Scheme - NHS Finance

The recent changes in the business mileage rules should not have any impact on the amount of mileage you are able to claim for journeys (including to the office) if your "agreed work base" is your home address.

NhS Lease Scheme - Ethan Edwards

3 years old and running strong this thread.

NhS Lease Scheme - Psychiatric Nurse

I am based in the community we have no fixed office and work at home the policy is that a nominal base is chosen we are then charged to and from this place that does not exist this amount is deducted from daily mileage daily. Home worker status is only given to people who spend the full day at home. So offices are closed down we pay for our gas and electric and broadband and to travel to an office we need not go to.

NhS Lease Scheme - leaseman

Hmmmmmmm. Makes you wonder. Doesn't it?

NhS Lease Scheme - Avant

The following was posted by Sarah C - to whom welcome - but it's positioned in mid-thread where it won't be seen (if you want your post to appear at the bottom, make sure you reply to the original post).

Anyone care to offer advice?

I joined NHS England in April, and was made aware of the salary sacrifice scheme in order to get a new car on lease. I have obtained the quote and proceeded to the contract stage, before I sign I just wondered if anyone could advice whether I would incur additional tax charges I.e. on top of the £260 net( after tax,pension and Ni saving and plus the tax liability charge) I would be paying for the car?

I don't want to find myself in the situation where I am being charged additional tax as I have been told my tax code will change.

Edited by Avant on 06/08/2013 at 23:25

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