Wilderness AT tyres on Explorers - John R Lechner
Ford US has announced the recall of all Wilderness AT tyres on all US Explorers. It took the death of a 176 people and a public relations disaster in the wake of the introduction of the new Explorer. Has anyone received positive confirmation by Ford UK that the 6000 Explorers sold in the UK with Wilderness AT tyres will have these changed free of charge?
Re: Wilderness AT tyres on Explorers - Mark
Why would someone whose e-mail address includes "daimler-benz.com"
be interested in that I wonder?
Displayed e-mail addresses. - David Woollard
Mark,

Interesting point. Perhaps John will tell us. If he really is a Mercedes man perhaps he will comment on the constant references you see here to the reducing build quality of their products. I still like them and would aspire to a Mercedes one day. Thought an A-Class ideal for the school run before I saw earlier threads about them. Shame.

Actually the displayed e-mail info after our names has puzzled me. It is often different to the correct e-mail address for the person if you click on their name to mail direct.

Mine at btinternet is correct but some at hotmail have btinternet displayed, others have just a site number displayed and so on.

Someone will tell us.

David
Re: Displayed e-mail addresses. - John Slaughter
David

Yes, my displayed address is nothing like the actual address, but I've certainly received 'off-site' e-mails, so the system works.

Regards

john
Re: Displayed e-mail addresses. - JR Lechner
I`ve nothing to hide as I do not work for Mercedes. I own an R reg Explorer and am pissed that it takes so long for Ford to react in the UK. Any comments other than on the server which my mail was routed through?
Thread direction. - David Woollard
John,

You'll know this forum will try and lead every topic to speed cameras, bikers vs drivers, bargain prestige cars and the like. Ask an innocent question that we can twist on the first post and you'll have another 21 on the Euro quick as anything.

I try and angle everything to discussing how wonderful turbo diesels are then nudging the thread towards the excellent Citroen/Peugeot TD engines. You see, I've done it again, can't help it.

It is interesting to see how many posts it takes a seasoned contributor to get on his/her favourite track. Actually where are the girls, cars aren't just boy's toys anymore.

Just look at the poor chaps with 0 replies. Asking a couple of simple tech questions about a VW towbar and Escort washer bottle (someone tell TG how to do that job please), if no-one can see any mileage in them they leave them dead!

David
Re: Thread direction. - John Lechner
David,

it would have been some news if I had been from Mercedes Benz and slagging off the competitors SUV. I am getting all sorts of replies and I suppose it is entertaining but I really want to know what Ford UK will do to safeguard my family. It ain`t funny driving around with a pair of tyres ready to blow up in your face and have Ford basically saying that they don`t give a damm. As far as PSA diesels are concerned, yes they are good. But I think the competition is catching up.

John
Re: Displayed e-mail addresses. - Jonathan
I think you will find (and Martyn will no doubt correct if I am wrong) that the email address is voluntary, the text after the name, on the other hand, is the ISP (service provider), who you connect to the internet with, which cannot be changed.

Jonathan
Re: Displayed e-mail addresses. - David Woollard
Jonathan,

But look at Mark just above. His displayed address by his name has no similarity to the one you see in the bottom bar of your browser if you hover over his name (hyperlinked), i.e. the actual address that any direct mail would go to.

I've picked him as he's on this thread but there are many more. Odd.

David
Re: Displayed e-mail addresses. - Stuart Bruce
Well I reckon the difference in displayed e-mail address is because of what you type in all due to the cookie. Because I log in from a number of locations, just depends where I am as to which profile my PC decides to give me and whether I can be bothered to type in all the details. Thats without the complication of getting a variable TCP/IP address due to DHCP servers! But in all honesty I have never seen the e mail address at the bottom vary from what I have/have not typed in.

The indicated ISP changes as do the various times I post as its all a case of where you are what time zone and how I have connected, either through the office @ lunchtime, direct from home on own PC or laptop, via Tunnel from a hotel or whatever.

While we are on IT stuff it pisses me off, just as much as 100E wipers used to, the comparison with USA of our IT infrastructure in UK. The other month in Orlando airport as the plane was delayed I managed to log in, send and receive about 10 e-mails all from the dataport on a payphone, it took 10 minutes flat from boot up to packing it away, and all for free.

See we started up on Wilderness tyres and got onto 100E wipers! Now if they had made a auto-diesel Anglebox...........
Re: Displayed e-mail addresses. - Martyn [Back Room moderator]
Jonathan wrote:
>
> I think you will find (and Martyn will no doubt correct if I
> am wrong) that the email address is voluntary, the text after
> the name, on the other hand, is the ISP (service provider),
> who you connect to the internet with, which cannot be changed.
>
> Jonathan

Crikey, am I *that* predictable?

OK, yes, the email address is voluntary, in that you can choose to leave that box empty when you make your reply. And what you put there if you *do* choose to fill it in is also voluntary. Those people who use a hotmail account (or pobox or yahoo or excite, or whatever) are using web-based email, which they can access from anywhere as long as they can get onto the internet. So, for example, I can go down to the local Library, buy some web time, and use my yahoo account to send an email. If at the same time I also make a contribution to The Back Room and give the yahoo address as my email address, then that is where the clickable link will go to. But the bit in brackets will be derived from the DNS (Domain Name Server) through which the Library's internet connection is made. Get it?
Re: Displayed e-mail addresses. - John R Lechner
Well never mind about cars and never mind about safety issues with major manufacturers in the UK. HonestJohns Back Room comes to you sponsered by Ford UK or the internet police. Choose! The isp is the true holy grail which makes me the black sheep working as a secret agent for the Mercedes faction. Beware all you who contribute as you will be found out by the forces of truth!!! This is really the most amount of b.llsh.t I have ever come across. Someone raises a serious question about the recall of a tyre, which the american mother of Ford proclaimed to be worldwide, and is crucified due to an supposedly surefire nindicator called ISP. I own an R reg Explorer in the UK and DO NOT WORK FOR MERCEDES. The truth police is welcome to visit me in Essex and control the truth of my claim. So can we leave the ISp and answer my question?
Seriously John. - David Woollard
I am new(ish) at posting to this site. My first few serious technical enquiries a while back had minimal responses. However in time I realised there was a lot of decent content hidden in the banter, and that the banter was far more considered than many other vehicle forum sites. So I just had to loosen up.

Most people here are respecful and have a genuine interest in cars. Each will seem to have their angle and this surfaces frequently, but so what. Some other vehicle forums are not at all well run/policed. If you start a thread on one of those that offends the "group" thoughts/direction they'll run you off with serious abuse.

None of us can control a thread (or the contributors) once launched so you just have to go with it and relax.

I would say this forum and one other for the Citroen BX that I visit daily are the best on the Internet.

David
Re: Seriously John. - John Lechner
david, we are not talking about how to get a tow bar for a vw beetle. yeah ok i am relaxed about that and enquiries of a similar nature. the explorer and wilderness at saga is one which has cost a 176 lives and ford uk is slow and ridiculously inefficient at recalling a potentially fatal vehicle tyre combination. remember that in the us people are only allowed to travel at speeds of 55mph and here in britain i convey my family at much higher speed. what would happen to us if a tyre bursts. no one in this forum seems to care. anyway whether they care or not i don t care . I WANT TO RAISE AWARENESS AND MOTIVATÉ THE 6000 EXloPRER OWNERs IN THE UK TO GET ON FORDS BACK!!
so yes i am a pretty relaxed : but not when i ferry my family in 26K worth of disaster machine. and by the way the new ford maverick failed the first security tests miserably. the airbags on driver an passenger side did not inflate in the simulated us crash!!!
Re: Wilderness AT tyres on Explorers - Oldsinjun
Didnt we get off the point very quickly ?
As a P reg. Explorer owner does anyone know if Ford
have agreed to change the tyres free of charge ?
I have already replaced the front pair - will they
refund the cost ?
Would appreciate any news.
Regards.
Re: Wilderness AT tyres on Explorers - Chris
Aren't we missing the point a bit here? Is it acceptable that a car should routinely flip over just because it lost a tyre. Sometimes, maybe. Routinely, I don't think so. Tyres in good condition shouldn't blow, but to flip over the car must be running near to the limits of stability even before the tyre blows. I've experienced two rapid deflations at high speed in my time. In both cases the car wobbled a bit before it stabilised, but it wasn't really a drama. It was nowhere near rolling over and could be stopped safely. In one case I was in the outside lane of a busy motorway (ran over a piece of wheel trim), but the car was stable enough to keep at motorway speeds until it was safe to pull over. The Wilderness tyres may have been a problem, but Ford has some explaining to do as well I think.

Chris
Re: Wilderness AT tyres on Explorers - John R Lechner
Chris, we are not talking about any car here. We are talking of a vehicle which is: a) very heavy and b)quite a lot higher that a normal car. Anyway you are very lucky to get away with the situation you have. I have taken quite a bit of advanced driver training and there is no question of blaming Ford for this one. Even the independent Firestone expert in the US acknowledged this indirectly.
Jhn
Re: Wilderness AT tyres on Explorers - John R Lechner
yes I can help as I have enquired A LOT. I sent you a mail so get in touch.
Re: Wilderness AT tyres on Explorers - Stuart Bruce
Source Daily Telegraph 9 June
........but now it has decided that no Firestone Wilderness tyre is safe and has recalled 13 million of them at a cost of $3 billion. Ironically some of these tyres will have been the replacements fitted less than a year ago in the first recall. The tyre recall also affects the 6,000 Explorers sold in Britain and 35,000 in the rest of Europe.......

Might I suggest that the reason the thread went astray was to extract the wotsit out of 4x4 owners?

Chris said
The Wilderness tyres may have been a problem, but Ford has some explaining to do as well I think.


Last year I drove an Expedition (9mpg!) I realise this is on a different chassis to the Explorer but it felt unsafe even with all 4 tyres inflated.
Another one from Uncle Henry & the Ministry of Cr*p Designs.
Re: Wilderness AT tyres on Explorers - Andrew Bairsto
You right Ford build people movers Chevy built cars or am I biased owning a Chevy Blazer and a Corvette.
Seriouly I had my doubts in a test drive of the Explorer it is not in the same class as Chevy or Jeep
Re: Wilderness AT tyres on Explorers - John Lechner
Let us remind ourselves what happend in the last 2 years. The so called expert in 4 wheel drive vehicles (Land Rover) got bought by the office of c.ap design because obvíously they have been doing something right. American SUVs are designed by nature for a different road configuration and buyers in the UK should be aware of this. So the Expedition handles like a bus. It is an f..ing bus by UK standards. You must have seen and felt what roads are like over there and hence the comments on handling are grossly unfair. Owners of the Explorer will tell you that it is A DAMM FINE CAR!! The narrow minded xenophobic concentration on Land Rovers detracts from the merit of a super achievement by Ford. The Freelander has a lot more quality problems and the Defender handles a lot worse but you never hear anyone slagging them off. As far as my R- reg Explorer is concerned I will say this: God bless America and shame about those Japanes tyres!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Defender handling. - David Woollard
John,

In the interest of balance.....

I drive about 35 different vehicle types over the course of a year. All are cars except for three people carriers and two Land Rover Defenders.

The Defenders are the only ones that require a reduction in my normal (sensible) driving speed on the three mile route to the MOT station. About half way there is a 55mph bend (family car speed) after a long straight. A decent car would take the bend at 65mph + safely and well over 70mph with concentration (and if it were legal).

But every time I take a Defender on that route I have to "Think Defender" as an attempt at the corner going 55mph puts the wind up you. Delayed steering response, roll, lack of stability and the thought "will it be in the dyke". They are very good at what they are built for, but cars they aint.

Please note in the interest of accuracy these are both TDIs of around 1994, later ones may be better.

David
Discovery handling. - David Woollard
And in the interests of accuracy I should say I meant Discovery not Defender.

Had just spent a couple of hours pouring over the Series III/LR90/Defender parts lists and had them on the brain.

David
Re: Wilderness AT tyres on Explorers - stuart bruce
So MR Lechner,
The Daily Tele is not an acceptable source as far as you are concerned whether the UK Explorers are affected by the recall. OK so be it your choice.

Re Expedition handling, IMHO it was unsafe even on US roads unless it was around town, or on a straight tarmac road with plenty of space, really the "ideal" use of a huge 4X4 and world's resouces. As for on what I would call normal roads and off road, well phrases containing words like Speed, at any, unsafe, any come to mind.

David W got it right about this site, if you cant go with the flow well tough. OK so you are peed off about Uncle Henry, why do you think others have the same attitude.
Re: Wilderness AT tyres on Explorers - Martyn [Back Room moderator]
This is getting tedious.

John (Lechner), you made a valid enquiry which was almost immediately put off track by Mark's light-hearted but waspish comment about your apparent connection with Daimler Benz. Lots of our regular Back Room contributors treat the forum like a virtual pub, and they sit around and trade friendly insults back and forth. That's what they did with the topic of email origins.

But when you tried to pull the thread back on topic things went awry. First, no-one crucified you. Crucified? Can't you take a bit of leg-pulling? Second, no-one is trying to submerge your query in order to protect the interests of Ford (nor, for that matter, of whoever makes these bloody tyres). And nobody is making light of the opinion that it took many road deaths before Ford seems to have acknowledged a fault. And finally, for you to suggest that The Back Room (and by implication me) is in the pocket of Ford is nonsense -- you surely didn't mean it?

Well, now I think you have your answer. Leaving aside the handling of the Explorer (which I, by the way, thought was no worse and no better than a typical US-market sedan -- too soft and all over the road -- though I was concerned at the lack of ground clearance) it seems that the tyres are acknowledged to be faulty and the DT article quoted by Stuart Bruce (who appears to work for Sandvik ) indicates that the tyres will be replaced worldwide (by something safer? Let's hope so).

Now, can that be an end to the bickering?
Re: Site Ethics - Brian
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Re: Site Ethics - Martyn - Guy Lacey
Go 2 far and Martyn will jump on *you* - u don't want that.
Re: Site Ethics - Martyn - Martyn [Back Room moderator]
Guy Lacey wrote:
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> Go 2 far and Martyn will jump on *you* - u don't want that.

Steady on!