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Skoda Superb (2008 - ) - VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad?  
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - happytorque
I currently have a Citroen C5 HDI 2.0 8v 2003 model. Im thinking of replacing it at some point with a new Skoda Superb.
Im particularly attracted to the 1.9 PD Diesel engine but its a bit of an unknown for me.
Im sure there are plenty around and would welcome some advice as I intend to keep it a long time (possbly 10 years)........
Are they reliable?
Are there any known weak points?
What mpg can I expect?
How many miles can I expect to get out of one if I change the oil regularly?
Are they a decent drive or as rough as some of the magazines suggest?
Would I be better off spending the extra money and opting for the 140 BHP engine?
Or must I spend even more money and go for the common rail engine?
Cheers

Tags: buying reliability oil changes maintenance and servicing used cars

VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - mrnikko
I had an Octavia with the 1.9 Tdi engine ran it for 30,000 miles with no problem.
How ever I would seriously think it would be unsuitable for the new Superb as I think you would find the performance lethargic.
I have a new Superb with the 140 BHP engine and it is very good, 48 mpg and so far with 4000 miles no trouble. The suppling dealer did comment to me when he delivered the new Superb that the diffference between the two engines is noticable and the 140 engine is the one to go for. He commented that the 1.9 was o.k. but not a fire cracker and the two litre is the better one for such a big car. Best to try them both and make up your own mind
Hope it helps.
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - DP
Are they reliable?

Must be serviced using engine oil approved for PD engines due to the high loadings this design places on the cam lobes. Wrong oil can damage the engine very quickly. Other than that, they're pretty good.
Are there any known weak points?

MAF sensors, and the wiring to the injectors runs submerged in engine oil which can cause problems with age/miles. They also require frequent cambelt changes (some recommend 40k intervals), again due to the loads placed on the belt due to the camshaft driving the unit injectors.
What mpg can I expect?

One of the best diesel engine designs for real world economy. Most PDs seem capable of 50 mpg in real world conditions.
How many miles can I expect to get out of one if I change the oil regularly?

Many still going strong at 150k+
Are they a decent drive or as rough as some of the magazines suggest?

They are rough compared to more modern engines, with a lot more clatter and rumble than a common rail diesel owner is used to, but the engines are also responsive and gutsy.

Would I be better off spending the extra money and opting for the 140 BHP engine?
The 2.0 is a lot quicker, but anecdotally much less reliable than the 1.9. I would recommend driving both.

My comments relate to the engine in general rather than the car - we were going to buy a Golf a couple of years ago, hence I researched it then. I suspect the 105 might struggle a bit in a big car like the Superb. It's reasonable in the Golf though.

Cheers
DP

Edited by DP on 21/01/2009 at 21:54

VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - Pugugly
This unit is fitted to my Roomie - rough (compared to a BMW six biturbo anyway) uses little, if any oil, 20k into ownership. Fuel consumption is a little disappointing. Some have a DPF - mine hasn't. Can be a worry to some (see other posts in here) very gutsy motor though, bags of torque. Can't think of anything really negative.
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - Altea Ego
I am on my third 105 PD

MPG is not impressive, 45- 50 mpg, refinement is poor - rough and noisy. despite that its a likeable engine with lots of torque when you need it?


VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - Pugugly
sums it up
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - PoloGirl
That's the engine I've got in my Golf - three and a half years old and over 40,000 miles. Not had any problems with it at all. I love the 'pull' - guessing that's the torque that more knowledgeable people are talking about, and I'm very happy with it. Regularly get 55-60mpg average on a motorway trip.

However, I wouldn't want this engine in anything bigger than a Golf. The Passat I used to drive regularly had the 2.0 170bhp diesel engine and that was fantastic. A 1.9 just wouldn't have got a barge of a car like that to move at all. There are days when I wish I had the 2.0 in the Golf, but those days are very few and far between.

Compared to, say, a Honda diesel engine, it is noisy, but it's not like it's a tractor or anything.
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - CGNorwich
Have Octavia II with this engine and would have thought Superb would feel a bit underpowered - you certainly won't be first away at the lights! Engine can feel a bit course under hard acceleration but nothing I can't live with Its a great cruiser on the motorway and and is undoubtedly the most economical diesel I have driven, easily returning 50mpg on a run if driven sensibly. and achieving 35mpg around town

Had no problems in the first 20,000 miles
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - Pugugly
if driven sensibly

Ah !
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - Avant
Remeber that the 1.9 may be slightly more economical than the 2.0 in a Golf but not in something as big as a Superb. I'm sure it's adequate but it has to be worked harder to pull a big car along so as to make decent progress - and so will use more fuel.
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - merlin
I was thinking about the 1.9 PD engine in the Superb too as I'd heard it was reliable. It's also the only diesel in the range without DPF so you don't have that potential problem. However I too am concerned about performance in such a large car. According to the spec I saw 0-62 was 12.5sec. More interesting would be the 50-70 figures. Anyone know if it's possible to chip these engines to improve performance? The 40k cambelt changes if that's correct could prove expensive too.

I had a test drive in a 2.0 PD 140bhp Superb yesterday. It's fast enough for me and noise is ok. When accelerating I could hear the engine but otherwise it was quiet compared to the road / wind noise. DPF is a concern as is DP's comment about the 140 engine in this thread.

What about the 170bhp CR engine? Performance shouldn't be an issue and it's meant to be quiet. However I've been put off the newer diesels after reading HJ's comments on reliability. Anyone know how reliable these engines are proving?

Maybe one of the petrol engines is the way to go?
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - merlin
The 4car review suggested the 1.9 PD was the "pick of the spacious Superb range" - see tinyurl.com/d42whk

Another possible plus for the 1.9 is you can specify it with the 16" wheels for the best ride although this won't suit the majority of image conscious brits unfortunately. It's disappointing that the top spec models which have all the toys only come with the large bling wheels. Why if you want luxary do you have to compromise ride? It's not just Skoda either. The Mazda 6 is the same. From what I've read other countries are more sensible with their choice of wheels.
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - Pugugly
I wonder whether there's a marketing strategy here aimed at Taxi drivers ?

VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - daveyjp
"Anyone know if it's possible to chip these engines to improve performance?"

Easy - these things have been chipped for years - 130-140 bhp is the norm. Briskoda website will have plenty of info on this aspect.

Skoda aren't yet using the new 2.0 140 CR in the Superb which is a pity as the 140 PD isn't much better than the 1.9 in terms of noise or refinement. The 170PD is better and IMHO the 140/170 CR is the pick of the bunch.
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - b308
I'm on my second 100/105 but both in smaller cars (Fabia estate and now the Roomie), its a reliable engine, as others have said a bit noisy (gruff rather than rough, though!) but its also an economical little begger though.

I'd have thought that it would be a little underpowered in the Superb though... all the Superbs I've been in (several btw!) have had the 130bhp version which seems to suit it well, plenty of power and still as economical - most of those cars are used by our company from private hire guys and many have done well over 250k miles with no problems... so they are pretty reliable I think!
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - ifithelps
PU wrote: ....I wonder whether there's a marketing strategy here aimed at Taxi drivers ?...

I was in a Skoda garage recently that had a large cardboard display aimed at taxi drivers.

Have to admit it put me off a little bit.

I've nothing against the taxi trade, obviously, but when I'm looking for a new car, I'm in aspirational mode - don't want to be reminded about work, even if it's somebody elses.

On similar lines, I've known people put off Mercs by others who say: "They use them as taxis in Germany."

Back to the topic, there was a time when diesel cars were derided as slow and smelly and fit only for taxi drivers, and farmers with access to duty free fuel.

Would never have thought then that a diesel would become an aspirational purchase.




VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - 659FBE
As an owner of a Mk 1 Superb (albeit with the 130 PS diesel engine) I think some are being rather hard on the 105 PS unit.

Before I bought my Superb I test drove all of the diesel options. I quickly ruled out the V6 on the basis of little extra performance over the 130 PS 4 cyl engine and a lot more fuel. The heavy engine degrades the already nose-heavy weight distribution and maintenance costs are high for this rather unreliable engine too.

The two 4 cyl options at the time were 100 and 130 PS both being the 1.9 litre 2 valve unit. I was quite surprised just how usable the 100 PS unit was - unless you really need to press on, the torque of the PD unit makes its work output far more useful than a 100 PS petrol engine would ever be.

In the final analysis, two things persuaded me to go for the 130 PS unit. One was the need to tow a heavy trailer and the other was the availability (as a 2 year old car) of plenty of 130 PS units for which there is practically no fuel penalty. Drive it gently, and it will reward you - 800 miles to a tankfull in my case.

The position is a bit different with the Mk 2 Superb. The DPF rears its ugly head - these things can nullify all diesel savings and have caused trouble throughout the VAG range. The other is the lower reliability of the 2.0 engine over the 1.9.

I would regard the 1.9 in the new Superb as a potentially reliable, economical trouble free bargain which should not be disregarded on the basis of its quoted BHP. Try it and see. As far as the rest of my mk 1 is concerned, it has been almost completely reliable over the 2.5 years I've had it, and I can't fault Skoda's assembly of it - other than an insignificant paint run.

Less good is VAG's propensity to design in all of the known design defects of the source vehicle (Passat) into the bargain basement Skoda versions, and then deny all knowledge of them. In the case of the Mk 1, rain water ingress and seized suspension bolts are good examples. The Internet is your friend here if you want to run the thing long term without incurring expensive work - the work-around for the VAG design errors are pretty simple (such as removing plenum drainage bungs).

If you can stomach VAG's trading policies, I would say the Skoda is a good buy and in view of its high depreciation, a good long term prospect bought as a used vehicle. For me, the product is fine, but I'm not too sure about giving any more of my money to people who sell products with known serious design defects - and then try to hide the consequences.

659.
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - Veloplus
My company owned Octavia II 1.9Tdi 105 PD has just been replaced with a Superb II with the same 105 PD engine. Over almost four years the Octy covered 115,000 miles, during which time, it never let me down. The only faults related to the cruise control stalk, fuel filter and rear wash wipe.

The Superb II has covered 1,800 miles and is still fairly tight. Nonetheless, I have been getting between 49.90-50.30 mpg, based on ACTUAL fuel used, not the trip computer.

In my opinion, the 105 PD in the Superb II is satisfactory for mainly motorway and A road usage, as long as you're not fully laden most of the time. The 105 PD in my Octy proved to be more potent than the figures suggested and I suspect it was producing more than the indicated 105bhp.

The 105 PD has torque from below 2,000rpm and most overtaking manoevres can be performed using 4th or 5th gear.

Contrary to popular belief, the S model equipped with this engine does nor have a DPF, although one is fitted to the Greenline model.

It is true the PD uses oil, however, regular checking of the oil level should be a routine procedure. My Octy used around 1 litre per 5-7k miles. The Longlife oil costs approx £13.00 at Skoda dealers, however, if you're savvy you can bulk buy from specialist such as Opie Oils. On a variable serving regime the oil required should be certified as complying to VW 506.01 (0w-30) or the newer standard, 507.00 (5W-30). I needed to visit the garage evry 18-19,000 miles, which for a high mileage driver is a bonus compared with the shorter servicing intervals of other manufacturers.
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - Frogeye
3 years ago I had a Pug 406 with 110 bhp Hdi engine. I hired a new Passat 1.9. The performance and fuel consumption were way better than the Pug. 50mpg : 42mpg. Torque was amazing. I was convinced that it had the 140bhp engine, not the 105 that it actually had.
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - 659FBE
The two (diesel) cars which finally made it to my short list for a tow car were the PSA 406 and the VAG Passat. I would agree, test driving a 130 PS Superb (Passat) after a 406 resulted in a no-contest win for VAG. The torque of the PD engine makes it an excellent tow car.

659.
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - DP
On similar lines I've known people put off Mercs by others who say: "They use
them as taxis in Germany."


All the German brands carry very different status in Germany compared to the UK. My German colleagues genuinely struggle to believe that Volkswagen and Audi are considered 'premium' brands in the UK.
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - OptimaBen (formerly SeeFive)
Having just jumped out of a (chipped) C5 2.0 HDI 110 and into a DSG Superb 2.0 170, I found the Superb was faster, but at idle the Superb was coarse. Once on the move and the tyre roar took over it was fine, but not as quiet as the C5. Then there are the rock hard seats and suspension.

I'd seriously look at one of the later model old shape or even the new shape C5. The newer diesels are better and the build quality improved.
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - happytorque
Then there are the rock hard seats and suspension.

Thats a surprise. I have read that the Superb is very comfortable, but this seems to be at odds with that view.
I like soft ride...is the Superb to be removed from my list? Perhaps I need another C5 after all?
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - OptimaBen (formerly SeeFive)
The one I drove was top of the range trim with leather and the 170 common rail diesel. That might explain the harder suspension. The driving position was nothing like the C5, the steering wheel too low. I've not driven an old Superb but the taxi I was a passenger in felt comfy enough.

Being honest, the Superb was no comfier than the Passat or Laguna.

Worst thing for me was the floor-hinged accelerator which just didn't fit with my size 14's.

I'm 99% sure my next car will be a 2007 C5.
VW TDI PD 105 1.9 Engine ~ Good or Bad? - Veloplus
My Superb II Pd 105 is equipped with 205/55/R16 94XL (extra load) tyres which are less compliant than the 91 sidewalls fitted to my similiarly engined Octy II.

I agree, the Superb II ride quality is comparable with a Octy II, Laguna, Passat etc. The C5 I test drove was comy, but uninvolving. In comparision the current Mondeo ride quality is breathtaking; absorbing broken edges with seeming ease.

If you opted for a Superb II with 16 inch wheels and 91 sidewall tyres the ride should be better than an Octavia. As it stands, my Superb II drives exactly like my Octy II, the extra weight being well disguised.

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