Skoda Fabia (2000 - 2007) - Cam belt change  
Cam belt change - busdriver
I have been advised by my dealer that I should consider changing the cam belt on

my 1.9tdi. It has done 39,000 miles and just been serviced ( 40,000 mile service )

I don't fancy another £300 bill. and thought that 60,000 was a reasonable time for a

cam belt change.

Any advice

Busdriver

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Cam belt change - jase1
Age?

If it's 5 years old it probably wants doing.
Cam belt change - brum
If I refer to my Skoda Fabia Service schedule (service book - 2003 edition)

"QG0 (standard fixed interval servicing) In addition every 150,00km (100,000 miles) * Toothed belt and guide pulley for camshaft replaced (diesel engines except ATD petrol engine)"


Refering to the official Skoda Inspection serve checksheet I have for my Fabia

"Toothed belt change interval Fabia
1.9 litre and 1.4 litre PD diesel engines up to 07.03 60,000 miles
1.9 litre and 1.4 litre PD diesel engines from 08.03 80,000 miles
1.9 litre naturally aspirated diesel engines 80,000 miles"


IIRC a service schedule published somewhere on the Skoda website (under business running costs) refers to "Inspect the belt and pulley condition...." at 60,000 miles

VAG have much conflicting information around regarding cambelt change intervals.
Cam belt change - Tron
Age is the factor here as mentioned not the mileage completed.

At 4 to 5 years old I would replace rather than run the risk.

Should that belt give out you are (at worst) looking at a new engineor just a top end rebuild - still a thousand plus quid though.

Is it worth the risk?

Nationwide Autocentre are competitively priced try them on 0800 096 4216

or these tinyurl.com/4nzxko and they happen to show on their site what happens when your belt gives out too...

Edited by Tron on 01/10/2008 at 20:09

Cam belt change - Big John
VAG have revised their cambelt replacement schedules to 40,000 or 4 years whichever is sooner. Make sure all tensioners are changed as well, its also a good idea to change the water pump at the same time.
Cam belt change - SuperBuyer
Its also worth mentioning the water pump - get one with a metal impeller, these are less prone to breaking. £250 at your nearest independent should see you right I'd have thought.

And also to echo Big John re the interval - VAG now reckon 40K, but I'll probably stretch that to 60K...
Cam belt change - 659FBE
"VAG" haven't revised their cambelt change recommendations - VAG UK have. As far as I can see, they have declared unilaterally that there is a 4 year (+ mileage) limit for cambelts. There is no proper paperwork to support this - all of the printed literature with the vehicle refers to VAG D recommendations. The cambelt change information I have from the Milton Keynes brigade is on scrappy bits of paper, "typewritten".

I believe this to be a VAG UK scam. There is no parallel recommendation anywhere else in the world as far as I can establish. It's a neat trick - it doesn't detract from fleet sales and brings valuable dealer revenue from worried private owners with a newish car which they still want to "cherish". (If I cherished mine, the last place I'd take it would be to a VAG dealer).

The PD engine places a substantial load in the belt, which is dimensioned to suit and is of reputable manufacture with a metal tensioner wheel. My AWX diesel will get its first new cambelt when it is 5 years old. The OE water pumps with plastic impellers are rubbish so a metal one will be fitted at the same time.

659.
Cam belt change - oldtoffee
I was confused with the conflicting information on this two years ago with my Fabia vRS at 40,000 miles but only 18 months old. I rang the very helpful (clearly not VAG trained) people at Skoda UK Customer Services. They asked for my reg and chassis number and came back with "5 years or 57,500 miles." I figured if this was the information they held on my car that was what I should stick to. That may have now changed but worth a phone call to the horse's mouth I'd have thought
Cam belt change - bhoy wonder
659,

I fully understand what you are saying and totally agree with you. But VW now state it is 40,000 miles or 4 years (On my Passat 130 TDI) what ever is first. Is it worth the chance to let the cambelt go to 5 years. Surely it is safer to spend £300 than £2000 on a new engine if the cambelt goes.

At present my Passat is on 37000 miles and is 4 years old at the end of November. It goes into the garage in a couple of weeks to get the cambelt and water pump replaced. I will let you know the condition of the parts.

Edited by bhoy wonder on 02/10/2008 at 11:04

Cam belt change - brum
I changed my cambelt on my 90bhp AHU tdi at 9 years and 75,000 miles. The original cambelt and tensioner were in very good condition with no cracking/damage or roughness detectable.

Interestingly Continental who supply a lot of the cambelts to VW claim their belts are a lifetime item (on their website)

It is a VAG UK scam IMO, they are using a handful of incidents to justify a cash cow for dealers.

AFAIK in 95%+ of case of failure its the tensioner thats responsible. I wonder if it would be easier/cheaper just to change the tensioner.

From what I read, there have been many examples of cambelt changes done wrong with major problems/costs consequently.
Cam belt change - Mapmaker
>>I wonder if it would be easier/cheaper just to change the tensioner.

As you have to remove the belt to change the tensioner...

Or do you mean re-engineer the tensioner? Out of metal, maybe, not plastic.
Cam belt change - brum
Not sure about that. On the tensioner I have in my hand, it looks easy to release. You could always just remove the bolt (after making sure the belt is secured and wont jump a tooth).

In the past, there was "Inspect the condition of the cambelt and tensioner and replace if necessary" on the Skoda business maintenance plan.

The fact that you need to remove the engine mount (and support the engine) to remove the cam cover is a major pain in the backside. How stupid.

The other thing to consider is the "implied warranty", of a recommended service interval. If the thing was to fail within the recommended interval you have a good chance of claiming against the manufacturer.

I wonder how that Volvo owner is getting along with his claim?

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 02/10/2008 at 13:52

Cam belt change - 659FBE
On the N-S installations of the PD diesel (Passat) there is no conflict with the engine mounting bracket, but you have to pull the front panel of the vehicle forward. Not difficult, but tedious.

I wouldn't change a tensioner independently of the belt - there's another small idler on the PD engines too. The OE tensioner looks like plastic but it's black enamelled steel - I stuck a magnet to it.

The "9 year" timing belt referred to earlier would be pre-PD - a totally different set up.

I would be interested to hear of the condition of the parts removed from the 4 year old engine. Visual inspections are of limited use but gross defects will show. I ran the engine with the covers off and used a stethescope on the idler bearings - no undue noise over the general racket.

659.
Cam belt change - brum
I ran the engine with the covers off and used a stethescope on the idler
bearings - no undue noise over the general racket.


Thats sounds like a stupidly dangerous thing to do.
Cam belt change - 659FBE
Not for someone who used to test engines for a living.

659.
Cam belt change - busdriver
Thanks for your support I decided that change was the best option as I have
decided to run the car for a few more years. We rely on it as I live in
Rural area with M5 Ihr 20m away. ( Nearest Motorway).

Job done by local garage with brake fluid change £222.00 VW parts
Quote from Skoda dealer £345

Cam belt change - etiben
I have a 2004 Fabia fitted with a 100bhp (74kW) BBZ engine which follows the QG0 service schedule. This is the 16v DOHC petrol unit. My dealler recommended that I should change the belt at 40,000 hours or 4 years. My manual states 80,000 miles, and my Haynes manual states 60,000 miles, without any time limit. I called Skoda U.K and they could not offer any official service bulletin, and could not explain technically why the expected service life of the belt had been halfed, and a time limit put on its life either. Skoda U.K said that the dealler network had access via their internet portal to skoda service information that Skoda U.K were not prevy too. Does anyone know who is the technical authority on these engines, and who has issued this life reduction? I will have the belt changed if it is at risk of failure, but I'm relucatnt to if this recommednation is just a money making ploy by Skoda service sales based on little evidence of actual failures. I would welcome any useful comments people have.
Cam belt change - Bill Payer
I would welcome any useful comments people have.

This sort of thing makes me hate all importers and dealers!

But being pragmatic about it, the car is 5years old. How long are you thinking of keeping it? If a change would fall within your period of ownership anyway, then it doesn't make a lot of difference when you get it done.

It only becomes an issue if you get forced in to an un-neccessary change, or perhaps a second one.
Cam belt change - 659FBE
My feelings with regard to VAG UK's recommendations, which are not matched anywhere else in the world to my knowledge are stated above - it's a scam.

I
called Skoda U.K and they could not offer any official service bulletin and could not
explain technically why the expected service life of the belt had been halfed and a
time limit put on its life either. Skoda U.K said that the dealler network had
access via their internet portal to skoda service information that Skoda U.K were not prevy


Well done - you've rumbled them - did you ever hear such unlikely utter rubbish?

Speaking completely generally I would recommend that a DOHC engine with both cams belt driven (which gives unfavourable belt wrap angles and tempts makers to use belt wheels which are too small) should have a full belt kit fitted after 50k miles or 5 years. This is playing pretty safe, unless your particular engine is a known belt-smasher.

Factor your belt change interval according to the anticipated total mileage within your period of ownership. An early belt change may not result in any more cost to you and will slightly lower the risk factor. If your engine has a belt driven water pump, change that too. I'm not familiar with the VAG petrol engines, only the diesels.

659.
Cam belt change - mark.b
i know i am going slightly off topic manufacturer wise but how can skoda(vw) only get a belt that has a supposed life of 40,000 or 4 years, when ford recommend 10 years or 100.000 mls on there zetec engines , i had mine done (73k 10 years) including tensioners in February along with a new alternator belt £110 all in , so if one can do it why cant all manufacturers, must be a german thing , are bmw not very similar on there belt schedules as someone wrote earlier easy money from the motorist

Edited by mark.b on 29/09/2009 at 13:23

Cam belt change - JohnM{P}
I asked several times regarding my 05GolfTDi - each time, the answer back was "computer says 80k" so that was when the belt and tensioner was changed. The '40k/4years' was explained as being general advice when specific recommendation was not available...

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